Boxing

[FilbertFrog]

Look at that scoring

 

cant argue loads with that maybe one or two rounds 

 

but actually a draw looks fair on that 

 

I felt fury won by 3 but he lost 4 in those 10/8 rounds and some of the others were messy 

 

as they both said 

 

we the fans are the winners 

 

night all

[Manwell Pablo]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

Yeah I get ya. What I mean is it’s a shame the Brit has tried to judge it fairly when there’s another scoring it 115-111. Fury didn’t seem that angry so maybe it’s not such a big robbery

 

 

 

looking at the cards all four went with wilder round 1,  now I can sit here and slag boxing judges off for giving that first round  to wilder when showtime and but both have given  it to fury because he landed a three punch combo before the bell. But I’m here posting “I don’t like the looks of the this” halfway through that round so clearly I thought it was a wilder round till the last few seconds.

[foxes_rule1978]

That judge never once had Tyson fury leading the fight how bizarre is that. Even at the worst fury should have been six up going into the ninth round... 

Edited 2 December 2018 by foxes_rule1978

[SouthStandUpperTier]

14 minutes ago, FilbertFrog said:

Look at that scoring

 

cant argue loads with that maybe one or two rounds 

 

but actually a draw looks fair on that 

 

I felt fury won by 3 but he lost 4 in those 10/8 rounds and some of the others were messy 

 

as they both said 

 

we the fans are the winners 

 

night all

 

 Think you'll find the bookies are the real winners.

[lildave3]

Will someone please explain why people are calling this one of the greatest comebacks in sporting history? 

 

Genuinely baffled. 

[ScouseFox]

6 minutes ago, lildave3 said:

Will someone please explain why people are calling this one of the greatest comebacks in sporting history? 

 

Genuinely baffled. 

3 years since fury’s last proper fight, in that time he’s struggled with depression and been about 10 stone overweight. came back and outboxed an undefeated heavyweight champion. pretty good effort but that actual line is a bit of an exaggeration i’d say. 

 

but i think if you read and listen to some of the stuff about what he’d been up to/been through in his off years most fellas would’ve sacked it off, or maybe come back for a payday and got knocked out pretty quickly. but he’s come back and proved he’s probably the best heavyweight out there even after all that. 

[lildave3]

31 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

3 years since fury’s last proper fight, in that time he’s struggled with depression and been about 10 stone overweight. came back and outboxed an undefeated heavyweight champion. pretty good effort but that actual line is a bit of an exaggeration i’d say. 

 

but i think if you read and listen to some of the stuff about what he’d been up to/been through in his off years most fellas would’ve sacked it off, or maybe come back for a payday and got knocked out pretty quickly. but he’s come back and proved he’s probably the best heavyweight out there even after all that. 

I mean being overweight doesn’t make this a big deal surely? The man lost his titles because he was coked up, got fat, then got his act together and came back when he was still only 30. 

 

I am definitely biased because I can’t stand the bloke but I really don’t get the love for him and his ‘story’ 

 

Also, commentators after the fight saying he avoided everything Wilder threw at him - he was sat on his arse twice...I thought BT’s coverage overall was pretty poor tbh. 

[ScouseFox]

6 minutes ago, lildave3 said:

I mean being overweight doesn’t make this a big deal surely? The man lost his titles because he was coked up, got fat, then got his act together and came back when he was still only 30. 

 

I am definitely biased because I can’t stand the bloke but I really don’t get the love for him and his ‘story’ 

 

Also, commentators after the fight saying he avoided everything Wilder threw at him - he was sat on his arse twice...I thought BT’s coverage overall was pretty poor tbh. 

i mean either way it’s quite an impressive “comeback” 

 

yeah the BT coverage was very biased but nothing on a box office coverage of AJ 

[mancunianfox]

4 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

i mean either way it’s quite an impressive “comeback” 

 

yeah the BT coverage was very biased but nothing on a box office coverage of AJ 

 

The US coverage one showtime was exactly the same. Other than 9 and 12 they barely had Wilder winning a round and thought it was in the bag for Fury. Malignaggi said on US TV that the Mexican judge should never work in boxing again.

 

It was an exciting ending but so far from a crowning performance for Wilder as it just reaffirmed what we knew already - he can’t really box but has a massive punch. Some of his wild swings for a champion with 40 fights were embarrassing.

[grth2004]

Sounds like an amazing fight is there anyway to watch it or the highlights without paying?

[Dr The Singh]

1 hour ago, lildave3 said:

Will someone please explain why people are calling this one of the greatest comebacks in sporting history? 

 

Genuinely baffled. 

That the US border force allowed him to 'comeback'?

[grth2004]

Just found it all on YouTube 

[Max Wall]

I was at Madison Square Gardens to see Lennox Lewis v Evander Holyfield title fight. The judges did exactly the same thing. I'm no longer surprised by it.

[Finnegan]

I'd much rather see an explosive knock out than someone like Frampton or Mayweather dance around patiently out scoring someone. I get why knock downs are rewarding on the score card and that's fair to an extent. 

 

But at the opposite end of the spectrum, rewarding a boxer who just wildly throws his arms around like a kid on the playground is farcical. Doubly so when you consider that, yeah, Fury got knocked down twice but he also got up again twice incredibly well, shouldn't that be rewarded too?

 

If boxing is about durability, chin and toughness just as its about strength and power then shouldn't that be worth recognition in the score? It says a lot about Fury, speaking as someone that dislikes him, that he probably "won" what was left of the 12th once he got back up which is frankly amazing. 

 

Calling Wilder a great boxer is like calling Wilfred Ndidi a great shooter. You throw your limbs uncontrolled, full power at something enough and eventually you're going to score an impressive hit but really, let's not forget your 10,000 hideously embarrassing misses. 

 

Wilder was simply hideous for much of that and deserved to lose on the score card just as almost everyone else had it. Shame. 

 

You'd have to have some majorly butt hurt, bitter bias to want and expect that to beat Joshua. Joshua is a much more complete and rounded fighter. Taking whatever you feel about his personality, hype or national circle jerk and putting it aside, just look at him as a boxer. He doesn't quite have Fury's evasion and might not, maybe, have quite Wilder's power but he's got enough of both to be the ideal hybrid of the two to absolutely terrify Wilder beneath that bravado. 

 

There were glimpses yesterday where Wilder looked almost rocked by combos from Fury that weren't particularly powerful. If he gasses himself out against AJ and takes the uppercut that ruined Wlad or Whyte, his chin will shatter from Wembley to Washington. 

 

AJ isn't going to stand there getting hit anymore than Fury, either. Honestly think he'd be far, far more concerned sbout fighting Tyson than that Clubber Lang imitation. 

Edited 2 December 2018 by Finnegan

[ScouseFox]

1 hour ago, mancunianfox said:

 

The US coverage one showtime was exactly the same. Other than 9 and 12 they barely had Wilder winning a round and thought it was in the bag for Fury. Malignaggi said on US TV that the Mexican judge should never work in boxing again.

 

It was an exciting ending but so far from a crowning performance for Wilder as it just reaffirmed what we knew already - he can’t really box but has a massive punch. Some of his wild swings for a champion with 40 fights were embarrassing.

oh aye, don’t think it was particularly biased in terms of assuming the result, but things like the reaction when either landed a shot, and the bits of punditry and build up etc. were all basically comparing fury to ali. 

[ScouseFox]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

I'd much rather see an explosive knock out than someone like Frampton or Mayweather dance around patiently out scoring someone. I get why knock downs are rewarding on the score card and that's fair to an extent. 

 

But at the opposite end of the spectrum, rewarding a boxer who just wildly throws his arms around like a kid on the playground is farcical. Doubly so when you consider that, yeah, Fury got knocked down twice but he also got up again twice incredibly well, shouldn't that be rewarded too?

 

If boxing is about durability, chin and toughness just as its about strength and power then shouldn't that be worth recognition in the score? It says a lot about Fury, speaking as someone that dislikes him, that he probably "won" what was left of the 12th once he got back up which is frankly amazing. 

 

Calling Wilder a great boxer is like calling Wilfred Ndidi a great shooter. You throw your limbs uncontrolled, full power at something enough and eventually you're going to score an impressive hit but really, let's not forget your 10,000 hideously embarrassing misses. 

 

Wilder was simply hideous for much of that and deserved to lose on the score card just as almost everyone else had it. Shame. 

 

You'd have to have some majorly butt hurt, bitter bias to want and expect that to beat Joshua. Joshua is a much more complete and rounded fighter. Taking whatever you feel about his personality, hype or national circle jerk and putting it aside, just look at him as a boxer. He doesn't quite have Fury's evasion and might not, maybe, have quite Wilder's power but he's got enough of both to be the ideal hybrid of the two to absolutely terrify Wilder beneath that bravado. 

 

There were glimpses yesterday where Wilder looked almost rocked by combos from Fury that weren't particularly powerful. If he gasses himself out against AJ and takes the uppercut that ruined Wlad or Whyte, his chin will shatter from Wembley to Washington. 

 

AJ isn't going to stand there getting hit anymore than Fury, either. Honestly think he'd be far, far more concerned sbout fighting Tyson than that Clubber Lang imitation. 

fury would beat them both at the same time. 

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

oh aye, don’t think it was particularly biased in terms of assuming the result, but things like the reaction when either landed a shot, and the bits of punditry and build up etc. were all basically comparing fury to ali. 

 

They basically do this for every British fighter though. Doesn't matter who it is, unless he's fighting another Brit. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

Perfect result for team AJ, should be able to fit in about 3 or 4 bums before the rematch 

[Finnegan]

Just now, ScouseFox said:

fury would beat them both at the same time. 

 

Don't encourage Gaelic Frog. 

[kingfox]

Another big fight and we're left talking about corrupt scorecards.

 

2018 in the World of Boxing is the worst it's ever been.

[Max Wall]

44 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

oh aye, don’t think it was particularly biased in terms of assuming the result, but things like the reaction when either landed a shot, and the bits of punditry and build up etc. were all basically comparing fury to ali. 

Hahaha.  Heard it all now.

Did they mean Dele Alli?

[Max Wall]

59 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

I'd much rather see an explosive knock out than someone like Frampton or Mayweather dance around patiently out scoring someone. I get why knock downs are rewarding on the score card and that's fair to an extent. 

 

But at the opposite end of the spectrum, rewarding a boxer who just wildly throws his arms around like a kid on the playground is farcical. Doubly so when you consider that, yeah, Fury got knocked down twice but he also got up again twice incredibly well, shouldn't that be rewarded too?

 

If boxing is about durability, chin and toughness just as its about strength and power then shouldn't that be worth recognition in the score? It says a lot about Fury, speaking as someone that dislikes him, that he probably "won" what was left of the 12th once he got back up which is frankly amazing. 

 

Calling Wilder a great boxer is like calling Wilfred Ndidi a great shooter. You throw your limbs uncontrolled, full power at something enough and eventually you're going to score an impressive hit but really, let's not forget your 10,000 hideously embarrassing misses. 

 

Wilder was simply hideous for much of that and deserved to lose on the score card just as almost everyone else had it. Shame. 

 

You'd have to have some majorly butt hurt, bitter bias to want and expect that to beat Joshua. Joshua is a much more complete and rounded fighter. Taking whatever you feel about his personality, hype or national circle jerk and putting it aside, just look at him as a boxer. He doesn't quite have Fury's evasion and might not, maybe, have quite Wilder's power but he's got enough of both to be the ideal hybrid of the two to absolutely terrify Wilder beneath that bravado. 

 

There were glimpses yesterday where Wilder looked almost rocked by combos from Fury that weren't particularly powerful. If he gasses himself out against AJ and takes the uppercut that ruined Wlad or Whyte, his chin will shatter from Wembley to Washington. 

 

AJ isn't going to stand there getting hit anymore than Fury, either. Honestly think he'd be far, far more concerned sbout fighting Tyson than that Clubber Lang imitation. 

Fury did show heart and durability. You can't reward someone for getting off the floor though can you? If so, Joe Frazier would have been ahead against Foreman without landing a punch in anger, he was knocked down about 7 times in 3 rounds after all.

 

You're right, Wilder was hideous and did deserve to lose. Absolutely no finesse whatsoever. Styles make fights though and I don't think Joshua is a given against Wilder. Fury is pretty elusive and Wilder caught up with him twice. I'd disagree that Joshua wouldn't get hit any more than Fury, he's way more open. Joshua is a much bigger puncher than Fury though and I can't see Wilder/Joshua going the distance, whoever wins and, if the fights ever actually made, the fact that Wilder knocked Fury down twice will put Hearn off further until he has no choice but to make the match.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 2 December 2018 by Max Wall

[Max Wall]

Fury

'No wonder AJ didn't want any part of that, he can't move as well as me, he didn't want that right hand, he'd have got nailed'.

 

Talk? Yeah, but more than a modicum of truth in it too.

[Finnegan]

Yeah I'm not saying he should get a stack of points for getting up but I also don't think Wilder should be rewarded in the way he has for just swinging his arms around like a clown for twelve rounds. 

[EastAnglianFox]

Anymore news on Adonis Stevenson this morning? Was in critical condition last i heard.