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jonthefox

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Is it me or is Wes Morgan a Forest spy sent to **** us up?

Hate to be honest but we only have two defenders who match our ambitions and thats St ledger and Konch.

How is this Wes Morgan's fault? Or is it just so easy to blame the new recruit? Morgan was part of a ridiculously solid defence under Billy Davies at Forest, it's such a simplistic way of looking at things to blame Morgan with our defensive UNIT now struggling.

SSL has had a number of substandard defensive performances this season, particularly against target men, yet 5 or 6 good performances on the spin coupled with a supposed "redemption" seems to make him one of the chosen few beyond reproach.

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I don't want to have a pop at Kasper - he's been our player of the season IMHO, but there's no denying that his form has taken a dip recently. Hopefully he'll be back to his best soon enough.

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Kasper will be gone in the summer anyhow, Spurs will be looking for a new goalie when Fridel retires at the end of the season. Joe Lewis from Peterborough wouldn't be a bad signing.

Friedel has got another year to go anyway. Kasper wont leave to sit on the bench. Joe Lewis wouldnt be a good replacement thatd be like signing McGivern at left back.

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Who can we beat till the end of the season: Hull (possible), Forest (easily), Peterborough (possible), Doncaster (should do), Ipswich (can't see it), Millwall (not really), Burnley (easily), West Ham (possible), Leeds (can't see it)

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Kasper will be gone in the summer anyhow, Spurs will be looking for a new goalie when Fridel retires at the end of the season. Joe Lewis from Peterborough wouldn't be a bad signing.

Yes he would, more error-prone than Weale.

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Kasper. Danns and Nugent.

The rest are just no good.

Sick of being in this shitty division for years on end. Even a glimour of hope would be nice.

What has Beckford got to do?

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I think Kasper was due a couple of bad games hes been class all season and we cant lump the blame on him the amount of times hes saved us this season.. he could of done much better in at least 3 of the Chelsea goals, not seen tonights so can't judge his performance tonight.

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Who can we beat till the end of the season: Hull (possible), Forest (easily), Peterborough (possible), Doncaster (should do), Ipswich (can't see it), Millwall (not really), Burnley (easily), West Ham (possible), Leeds (can't see it)

Not seen them recently then?

I won't be surprised if McCleary tears us a new arsehole and some are still happy with Dyer lol

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I said since MON. We've seen with sides like Forest and Leeds that it can be incredibly difficult to get out of League One and we ran away with it, and the performance in that second leg was good, if it hadn't been for Kermorgant, or that linesman we could be a Premier League club by now easily.

But what about the tactical blunders that cost us the first leg?

Micky Adams did do a good job, but he had a much better squad to work with, even with no money at all,

He also had to deal with administration and a total embargo on signings which lasted almost a whole season. I very much doubt NP could have coped with that.

I'd say it's close between the two of them. But if you don't think 5th place with a side that looked like this, Weale, Morrison, Brown, Hobbs, Berner, Gallagher, Wellens, King, Dyer, Howard, Fryatt is success then fair enough,

It was a very weak league - which is how Holloway and Blackpool were even able to make the playoffs (and look like doing so again), let alone win them. None of the players you mentioned (except maybe Hobbs) could have competed at the top level.

I'm not saying he got everything right but he got a damn site more right than most other managers in my lifetime (MON onwards), and he's done similar at Hull.

Hull are a smaller club and therefore their fans had fewer expectations. He did an adequate job there, nothing more. But he did build the league's best defence, with the help of a certain Swedish mercenary who sold him Jack Hobbs for a pittance.

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Didn't listen to the game but I'm a bit bemused by all the negativity, looks a good result to me, and we nearly won it.

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But what about the tactical blunders that cost us the first leg?

If Steve Howard hadn't been an idiot, Fryatt hadn't been injured, Whittingham hadn't been a twat, Wayne Brown wasn't such a willy puller or the offside for the last Cardiff goal had been spotted in the second leg that wouldn't be an arguement, it's not Nigel's fault that all those things went wrong, but he made up for any mistakes he made in the second leg.

He also had to deal with administration and a total embargo on signings which lasted almost a whole season. I very much doubt NP could have coped with that.

That's fair enough, but he still had players like Izzett, Elliott, Walker etc. available to him. And this isn't exactly relevent to who should have the job currently.

It was a very weak league - which is how Holloway and Blackpool were even able to make the playoffs (and look like doing so again), let alone win them. None of the players you mentioned (except maybe Hobbs) could have competed at the top level.

We where some points ahead of Blackpool and they almost survived in the Premier League, a bit harsh to dissmiss are chances of survival completely. Plus Micky Adams never kept us up and you seem to rate him a lot higher than Nigel.

Hull are a smaller club and therefore their fans had fewer expectations. He did an adequate job there, nothing more. But he did build the league's best defence, with the help of a certain Swedish mercenary who sold him Jack Hobbs for a pittance.

'Small' Hull in the top six is 'adequate?'. And would that be Jack Hobbs who he identified and brought to Leicester?

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just back from the match Huge disappointment to us Blackpool foxes, although we trounced them tonight!

Agreed. we were the better side but at least we didnt lose.

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Didn't listen to the game but I'm a bit bemused by all the negativity, looks a good result to me, and we nearly won it.

excpectation has fallen so far..a draw at blackpool is considered a good result for this club...and there's the rub...

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If Steve Howard hadn't been an idiot, Fryatt hadn't been injured, Whittingham hadn't been a twat, Wayne Brown wasn't such a willy puller or the offside for the last Cardiff goal had been spotted in the second leg that wouldn't be an arguement, it's not Nigel's fault that all those things went wrong, but he made up for any mistakes he made in the second leg.

Ultimately he didn't because we still ended up losing. The circumstances may have been unbearably cruel, but the record shows Cardiff made the final and we didn't.

That's fair enough, but he still had players like Izzett, Elliott, Walker etc. available to him. And this isn't exactly relevent to who should have the job currently.

You were the one saying Pearson was so successful. While we made significant progress during his first spell, we still came up short. Fans should not rewrite history and pretend otherwise.

We where some points ahead of Blackpool and they almost survived in the Premier League, a bit harsh to dissmiss are chances of survival completely. Plus Micky Adams never kept us up and you seem to rate him a lot higher than Nigel.

Adams had probably the tightest budget in Premier League history (a consequence of administration the previous year). So it was no surprise we were relegated. But we were competitive for much of that season and didn't end up embarassing ourselves like Derby did some years later. Adams still has a better record of managing in the top flight than Pearson does.

'Small' Hull in the top six is 'adequate?'. And would that be Jack Hobbs who he identified and brought to Leicester?

The same Hobbs that was driven out of this club, in much the same way that some on here are trying to do with Mills.

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Ultimately he didn't because we still ended up losing. The circumstances may have been unbearably cruel, but the record shows Cardiff made the final and we didn't. You were the one saying Pearson was so successful. While we made significant progress during his first spell, we still came up short. Fans should not rewrite history and pretend otherwise.

Did you think the League One title and 5th place in the Championship was a failure during his first stint then?

The circumstances where not only unbearably cruel but completely unavoidable for Nigel. I'm not going to say it's Kermorgant's fault because there is every chance we would have lost that shoot-out anyway. But I would completely lay the blame at the feet of Brown for instance who is a much greater villain than Kermorgant in my eyes. I don't believe personally we would have conceded 3 over those two legs if we'd had the settled defence that played all season, not to mention the fact that the penalty they got led from what should have been an offside, or the fact that we where denied the right to play our best starting eleven (and formation) because of Howard's tackle. I'm not re-writing history there, I'm stating that many of Nigel's 'mistakes' in the first-leg where forced because our CB was a vile racist, and that if the officials had done their job properly in the second leg then that wouldn't have mattered.

We may have come up short in terms of gaining promotion to the Premier League straight after promotion from League One, but we far exceeded my, and most sensible peoples expectations under Nigel Pearson. He may have failed to take us to the Premier League but that doesn't make him a failure, for what he did do he was a resounding success.

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Did you think the League One title and 5th place in the Championship was a failure during his first stint then?

The circumstances where not only unbearably cruel but completely unavoidable for Nigel. I'm not going to say it's Kermorgant's fault because there is every chance we would have lost that shoot-out anyway. But I would completely lay the blame at the feet of Brown for instance who is a much greater villain than Kermorgant in my eyes. I don't believe personally we would have conceded 3 over those two legs if we'd had the settled defence that played all season, not to mention the fact that the penalty they got led from what should have been an offside, or the fact that we where denied the right to play our best starting eleven (and formation) because of Howard's tackle. I'm not re-writing history there, I'm stating that many of Nigel's 'mistakes' in the first-leg where forced because our CB was a vile racist, and that if the officials had done their job properly in the second leg then that wouldn't have mattered.

We may have come up short in terms of gaining promotion to the Premier League straight after promotion from League One, but we far exceeded my, and most sensible peoples expectations under Nigel Pearson. He may have failed to take us to the Premier League but that doesn't make him a failure, for what he did do he was a resounding success.

Three people to blame for the semi-final second leg in my opinion: Howard Webb, the two linesman, and Kermorgant.

And we probably wouldn't have even been behind after the first leg had the referee given one of the two stone-wall penalties we had turned down.

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Did you think the League One title and 5th place in the Championship was a failure during his first stint then?

I said we made progress. But only fans who consider the lower leagues as our natural habitat could deem his record as being successful.

The circumstances where not only unbearably cruel but completely unavoidable for Nigel. I'm not going to say it's Kermorgant's fault because there is every chance we would have lost that shoot-out anyway. But I would completely lay the blame at the feet of Brown for instance who is a much greater villain than Kermorgant in my eyes. I don't believe personally we would have conceded 3 over those two legs if we'd had the settled defence that played all season, not to mention the fact that the penalty they got led from what should have been an offside, or the fact that we where denied the right to play our best starting eleven (and formation) because of Howard's tackle. I'm not re-writing history there, I'm stating that many of Nigel's 'mistakes' in the first-leg where forced because our CB was a vile racist, and that if the officials had done their job properly in the second leg then that wouldn't have mattered.

Who brought both Brown and Kermorgant to the club in the first place? These events happened on his watch and therefore he has to take ultimate responsibility for them.

We may have come up short in terms of gaining promotion to the Premier League straight after promotion from League One, but we far exceeded my, and most sensible peoples expectations under Nigel Pearson. He may have failed to take us to the Premier League but that doesn't make him a failure, for what he did do he was a resounding success.

In a season when a nonentity like Holloway could take a tinpot club like Blackpool up through the playoffs (with a striker we lent to them), the sense at the time was that we wated a glorious opportunity. The events since that time including the disastrous experiments with first Sousa then Eriksson, have only magnified that sorrow and regret much further.

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Where is Thracian? he usually pops up with a thesis on solutions to LCFC's problems and tbh he doesn't half talk some sense sometimes.

I'll save him the trouble.

Winning mentality, we need to be playing like Barcelona.

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What has Beckford got to do?

How about put the effort in each game, chase down balls and show passion and looks like he cares and not stroll around like he his playing Sunday league.

He is a talent thats for sure. Squad full of egos thought, nearly all of them need to take a long hard look how they have let the fans down this Season. Disgrace of a season.

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