NewburyFox Posted 10 October 2013 Posted 10 October 2013 It's daft. I completely side with Finners and his reply to you earlier. Where you're born can be completely arbitrary. That's where you're wrong though. I was born and raised in Belgium, to Danish and German parents. I went to a European school, with Danish and German being my mother tongues. I went in a Danish class and learnt Danish history, geography and literature until the secondary years. After I finished secondary school I moved to Denmark and have lived here since. Never have I felt Belgian, never have I rooted for a Belgian team. Brussels might be the place I grew up, but that's where the affiliation ends really. Out of curiosity, why are you a Leicester fan?
shen Posted 10 October 2013 Posted 10 October 2013 This may sound a little personal but it's not supposed to be. That's a shocking job of integrating into the community you were born into from your parents, if everyone did that we would have even more problems than we do with trying to get people of different cultures to live side by side in Western countries. If you were a Pakistani and did all that you would be slaughtered by a lot of people. And once again, that seems an ignorant statement to make. We were very well integrated into society. We had many Belgian and international friends, we all learned and spoke French. My father and mother both had jobs that required them to know French. Brussels is one of the best places I've ever witnessed when it comes to a multi-cultural society. Heck, I'd even dare to say that's the main strength of the city! So far be it from shocking that we were allowed to keep our national identities and live in an international setting, quite happily too, without compromising the local culture. Which leads me to your last sentence. What does that statement say more about, the Pakistani or the people wanting to 'slaughter' them?
Guest MattP Posted 10 October 2013 Posted 10 October 2013 And once again, that seems an ignorant statement to make. We were very well integrated into society. We had many Belgian and international friends, we all learned and spoke French. My father and mother both had jobs that required them to know French. Brussels is one of the best places I've ever witnessed when it comes to a multi-cultural society. Heck, I'd even dare to say that's the main strength of the city! So far be it from shocking that we were allowed to keep our national identities and live in an international setting, quite happily too, without compromising the local culture. Which leads me to your last sentence. What does that statement say more about, the Pakistani or the people wanting to 'slaughter' them? God, the old "I'm not *insert here* my friends are Belgian/black etc" line, thought I'd seen the last of that at the turn of the century. I think integration to a country is a bit more than just not compromising the local culture. I used Pakistani as it's the most obvious choice of people most often accused of failing to integrate to British society, a lot of them send their children to a school outside of the antional education system, speak the parents tongue over the national one etc Like you did in Brussels, what I meant was it was probably easier to get away with doing that as you are 'white'.
shen Posted 10 October 2013 Posted 10 October 2013 God, the old "I'm not *insert here* my friends are Belgian/black etc" line, thought I'd seen the last of that at the turn of the century. I think integration to a country is a bit more than just not compromising the local culture. I used Pakistani as it's the most obvious choice of people most often accused of failing to integrate to British society, a lot of them send their children to a school outside of the antional education system, speak the parents tongue over the national one etc Like you did in Brussels, what I meant was it was probably easier to get away with doing that as you are 'white'. I think you mix up 'integration' with 'assimilation'. Two wholly different concepts. I was assuming you knew the difference, since what I described was me and my family being integrated into Belgian society. If you're of the opinion that it should be a goal to culturally assimilate all immigrant groups into the hosting country, then I have to say I strongly disagree with you.
Guest MattP Posted 10 October 2013 Posted 10 October 2013 If you're of the opinion that it should be a goal to culturally assimilate all immigrant groups into the hosting country, then I have to say I strongly disagree with you. Glad to know you disagree.
purpleronnie Posted 13 October 2013 Posted 13 October 2013 Leeds Red Bull????? Red Bull looking to buy English football club and take them into the Champions League12 Oct 2013 23:00Energy drinks firm are looking to add an English club to their sporting portfolio and takes them into the Champions League Whole new Bull game: Red Bull have given Thierry Henry's New York side wings - will the Premier League be their next stop?Jeff Zelevansky Billionaires Red Bull want to buy a football club in England – and ‘give it wings’ to make it big, writes Alan Nixon in the People. The Austrian-based energy drinks firm are on the look-out for a suitable club, with Anglophile coach Ralf Rangnick, sporting director of Red Bull Salzburg, heading the search. As well as current Austrian league leaders Salzburg, Red Bull already owns clubs in Germany, New York, Brazil and Ghana. The company’s sporting assets also include two Formula One teams: Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso. Now coach Rangnick, who almost got the Everton job in the summer, has been tasked to find a club in England for their latest move into ownership. An insider in the deal said: “Red Bull want a team to take into the Champions League. It is the only market they have not reached yet. Ideally this would be in the London area, but both Everton and Liverpool interest them too because it would not take much to get them to that level. “They have looked at the Championship, but you can spend fortunes there and not make any progress.†Rangnick, an English-educated German, has a good knowledge of the game and is looking at several options. He would also oversee the Âpurchase and running of the club. News of Red Bull’s interest is spreading rapidly and there should be no lack of willing sellers. The company’s Formula One success, with Sebastian Vettel taking them towards a fourth straight title, has put them on the map, but buying a club in the ‘home’ of football could be their biggest coup yet. And taking it into the Champions League is the ultimate aim for one of the biggest sports-backing firms in the business. Teams which could be lined upEVERTONBill Kenwright has been looking for a respectable buyer for his club for years. The fact Ralf Rangnick nearly got the job and knows the club helps. Only snag – Red Bull Everton?!? LIVERPOOLThe American owners have pumped in millions and will want a big return on their investment. Genuine worldwide appeal. Red Bull Liverpool does have a ring. CRYSTAL PALACERed Bull would really give the Eagles wings. London, near airports, very appealing. Would not cost much, but needs a big spend. Red Bull Crystal Palace is a mouthful. WEST HAMOwners who are always open to approaches. New home at the Olympic Stadium makes them appealing too. Red Bull West Ham? Not so crazy. LEEDS The Yorkshire club has history, a huge fan base and owners who would sell at the drop of a hat. Red Bull Leeds United? Why not?
Dan Posted 13 October 2013 Posted 13 October 2013 Wouldn't be at all surprised, in-fact I'm amazed it's taken them this long to try and get into the English game.
Finnegan Posted 13 October 2013 Posted 13 October 2013 See, Red Bull's attempt at global sporting domination angers me far more than MK Dons and Red Cardiff.
Stadt Posted 13 October 2013 Posted 13 October 2013 Hopefully everybody holds out and says no, this really would be a major disaster.
Bayfox Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 what happens when we all stop drinking red bull? i don't know half as many people who still drink it as say a decade ago.
Jace Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 Wouldn't Red Bull suit MK Dons? I thought the F1 was based there and since they are the biggest sell out in football anyway it would stop another football clubs heritage being ruined?
Leicesterpool Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 Villa are now been linked to this Red Bull thing. Could be derby? seems strange they sacked Clough so suddenly and brought in McClaren sometimes signs of a takeover.
AKCJ Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 Don't know why people still drink Red Bull when you can buy Relentless or Monster which taste exactly the same at a fraction of the cost.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 My initial thought was West Ham. However, I'd cry with laughter if it was liverpool. All their great history (which was closer to WW2 than it is present day) being eroded for a franchise would be superb.
Uncle Albert Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 My initial thought was West Ham. However, I'd cry with laughter if it was liverpool. All their great history (which was closer to WW2 than it is present day) being eroded for a franchise would be superb. Well I can guarantee it will not be Liverpool, you do seem pretty obsessed with Liverpool, aren't you? It's quite embarrassing really. Still not paying your debt? Tut tut.
Dan Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 It's Everton apparently. Everton Red Bulls. Anyone in support of that is a moron.
yorkie1999 Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 Villa are now been linked to this Red Bull thing. Could be derby? seems strange they sacked Clough so suddenly and brought in McClaren sometimes signs of a takeover. Don't think Red-bull would have a manager named McClaren
Guest Bilo Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 People need to remember how destructive Red Bull are. When they took over SV Austria Salzburg in 2005, they obliterated everything about the club's history. The distinctive purple kits, the name of the club and the name of the stadium went instantly. They even tried to claim they were a 'new club with no history' and that they were set up in 2005. They basically told the fans to fvck off when they protested about the name change as well. There is still an SV Austria Salzburg, owned and run by the fans and playing in the third tier of Austrian football, but Red Bull Salzburg remain the main club in Salzburg. Anybody happy to accept what happened to SV Austria Salzburg at their club needs their head checking, Red Bull are an absolute cancer on football.
Craig Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 Pretty ominous for whoever they decide to takeover, if they indeed do. Want them nowhere near our football pyramid.
Fox92 Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 I wouldn't be laughing/be pleased for this to happen to any club... Everton are a massive club, great fan base, I don't want them to be totally renamed 'Red Bulls' or whatever they add onto the club name.
Finnegan Posted 14 October 2013 Posted 14 October 2013 It annoys me that they brand themselves as promoting minority sports, putting.money in to activities and getting people active living life on the edge, etc. It annoys me because they have no interest in grass roots football and starting something new and fresh. Why not use all that money and influence to found a new football club at the bottom of the pyramid? Newcastle, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, all probably big enough to support another club and all with plenty of deprived areas that could use supporting. Found a club with a culture of strong youth development, good attacking football, really developing British sport from the ground up. Top training facilities, a nice stadium to expand as they're promoted and grow on merit of success. The La Masia of England. The Deportivo Brasil of England. That I could get behind. Instead they just want to buy a league position, destroy someone's club as a ritual sacrifice and brand the fvck out of it. Say what you want about Winkelman, the means of his acquisition of a club may have been terrible but what he's turned it in to is pretty special. Milton Keynes wanted live sport, the club is well supported, there's a philosophy of good, attractive football and nurturing their own youth. Red Bull could be even better. They won't be.
Dan Posted 15 October 2013 Posted 15 October 2013 Good post Finners but still can't bring myself to back MK Dons in any way. He's not as harmful as Red Bull but why could he have not done what you said Red Bull should've? Completely ripped a club up, albeit one on a smaller scale but that doesn't make it right.
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