Riyad_Suarez Posted 12 July 2014 Posted 12 July 2014 Villa - Senderos, Joe Cole and Kieron Richardson. Can certainly see them struggling next season.
lgfualol Posted 12 July 2014 Posted 12 July 2014 Burnley? - Personally don't rate taylor or sordell. West brom? - Gardner and lescott, hardly setting the world alight, little difference between upson and lescott whilst albrighton has for more potential than gardner. Personally think we're not much better off than any of them.
Nickfosse Posted 12 July 2014 Posted 12 July 2014 It doesn't matter how much Fifa you play, how much televised football you watch, or how much research you do on the internet, your judgement is not going to be as good as someone who has played the game professionally and gets paid as their main employment to scout players. It always surprises me how much people on here value their own judgement, as rank amateurs, as opposed to those at the club. For the record, this isn't aimed at any one individual. This x one million. Spot on sir
65RosesFox Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Who bloody gives a shit whether they are linked or signed or whatever. At the end of the day, we could track & bid for those players if we wanted. And who knows if we did, we might of got one of them in by now. Do those comments make me an idiot, NO! Your first sentence says it all...."if we wanted" Clearly Pearson doesn't want to, therefore he hasn't.
kingfox Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Your first sentence says it all...."if we wanted" Clearly Pearson doesn't want to, therefore he hasn't. It was actually the second sentence.
artursteppe Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 It doesn't matter how much Fifa you play, how much televised football you watch, or how much research you do on the internet, your judgement is not going to be as good as someone who has played the game professionally and gets paid as their main employment to scout players. It always surprises me how much people on here value their own judgement, as rank amateurs, as opposed to those at the club. For the record, this isn't aimed at any one individual. I do not actually agree with you, for example, two people watching a match, both assess all the players identically, one is a paid professional scout, the other isn't. Effectively you are saying the scout is better because he is paid. Sorry, but that is absolute tosh! Someone who isn't being paid can be better than someone who is. However, if you are saying that a specific individual is better, because he is better, that is OK. It can never depend on whether someone is being paid or not, totally irrelevant.
Nick Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 I do not actually agree with you, for example, two people watching a match, both assess all the players identically, one is a paid professional scout, the other isn't. Effectively you are saying the scout is better because he is paid. Sorry, but that is absolute tosh! Someone who isn't being paid can be better than someone who is. However, if you are saying that a specific individual is better, because he is better, that is OK. It can never depend on whether someone is being paid or not, totally irrelevant. Yeah but dude, we're talking about Kingfox here............
Deucalion Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 I do not actually agree with you, for example, two people watching a match, both assess all the players identically, one is a paid professional scout, the other isn't. Effectively you are saying the scout is better because he is paid. Sorry, but that is absolute tosh! Someone who isn't being paid can be better than someone who is. However, if you are saying that a specific individual is better, because he is better, that is OK. It can never depend on whether someone is being paid or not, totally irrelevant. If the person who is being paid is an ex-player in the employ of a professional club then there is every reason to believe that person will know his onions to a much greater extent than a fan. The arrogance of fans always amazes me. Playing on the park and paying to watch a game does not give someone the insight they think it does. On the other hand, everyone has the right to an opinion, and two people watching the same player might come to different conclusions. This is fine, and this kind of discussion is in the right place on a football forum. The problem arises when people start to believe they actually know what they are talking about.
Stadt Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 It doesn't matter how much Fifa you play, how much televised football you watch, or how much research you do on the internet, your judgement is not going to be as good as someone who has played the game professionally and gets paid as their main employment to scout players. It always surprises me how much people on here value their own judgement, as rank amateurs, as opposed to those at the club. For the record, this isn't aimed at any one individual. Steve Walsh (the scout) was a PE teacher and hadn't played professionally but I'd trust his judgement more than most ex professionals. Paul Clement the Real Madrid assistant manager had never played professionally either. You don't have to be a professional to be able to spot talent.
Deucalion Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Steve Walsh (the scout) was a PE teacher and hadn't played professionally but I'd trust his judgement more than most ex professionals. Paul Clement the Real Madrid assistant manager had never played professionally either. You don't have to be a professional to be able to spot talent. Well there are two exceptions to the rule. What would the list of ex-pros look like?
CosbehFox Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Steve Walsh (the scout) was a PE teacher and hadn't played professionally but I'd trust his judgement more than most ex professionals. Paul Clement the Real Madrid assistant manager had never played professionally either. You don't have to be a professional to be able to spot talent. Two good examples but you'd be surprised how different an actual scout watches the game. For starters they are there to solely concentrate on one player, their eyes will follow that one player for 80% of the game. Clubs also do a fair bit of digging into a players personality. I've said before on here really recommend the book Nowhere Men by Michael Calvin. He followed scouts for 12 months and it's very, very interesting. He got told off at the first game he attended for how he watched the game.
Xen Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 As we haven't had many twitter rumours posted here for a while, here's a few which are almost certainly wide of the mark... https://twitter.com/FootyUpdates28/statuses/488305460999909376
lgfualol Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Ha. Chris Wood to Forest. Havent they just bought two strikers? Shit rumours
Fez of Mahrez Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Our scouting system is fantastic. Not just the obvious examples like Mahrez and Knockaert but players like De Laet, James, Drinkwater, Vardy. Most of our first team hadn't pulled up any trees anywhere else before we signed them, they'd either been average or merely promising. It's completely at odds with this obsession on here about signing players based on proven statistics. Our success has been based on hard work and personality as much as quality. All these arguments about whether some Dutch centre forward is better than Ulloa or whatever don't take the importance of player personality into account. It's clearly massive for Pearson and his team.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Well there's two exceptions to the rule. What would the list of ex-pros look like? I don't think there are as many ex-professionals working as scouts as you'd imagine. For a start, there's no money in it.
Mark_w Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 It's obviously nonsense, but Fryatt/Wood would be a great partnership in the Championship.
Corky Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 According to Twitter, Chris Wood has had a bid for him from Forest, is joining Charlton and possibly going to Brighton in a swap with Ulloa.
Buce Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Throne looked decent when I saw him. He'd go well with King...
Stadt Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 It's obviously nonsense, but Fryatt/Wood would be a great partnership in the Championship.If you don't like pace
Mark_w Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 If you don't like pace Well Howard/Fryatt wasn't too bad. Pace is not a necessity.
Stadt Posted 13 July 2014 Posted 13 July 2014 Well Howard/Fryatt wasn't too bad. Pace is not a necessity.It isn't a necessity but Wood, Fryatt and Reid would be so one dimensional.
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