Grandad. Posted 22 September 2015 Author Share Posted 22 September 2015 Why would I do that? Liverpool will finish between 8-10. There isn't room for Leicester in the top half yet. Well shut up then, I'll also offer you £50 that Liverpool finish above Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Tbf Matt, any player in the World would jump at the chance of playing for Real or Barca. They're the biggest clubs in the World, and maybe you could add Bayern to that too. Manchester City aren't bigger than Liverpool but a player has more chance of winning trophies at Manchester City now. Yeah I know mate, I should really have just have said Man City as the point I was trying to make it that Liverpool are just not seen as a huge club anymore by anybody apart from those who support them, as was mentioned earlier it's now nearly three decades since they last won their own domestic league. The only top player they managed to hang onto in the last 10 years was Gerrard and that was purely because he's a born and bred Liverpool fan. I'll have £50 that Liverpool finish above Leicester? Why on earth would anyone take that? It won't happen but you would get about 14/1 at the bookies on Leicester finishing above Liverpool if anyone seriously believed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad. Posted 22 September 2015 Author Share Posted 22 September 2015 So Arsenal aren't a big club either then? They have lost Fabregas, Van Persie, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Vermalen and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 I'll have £50 that Liverpool finish above Leicester? That'd hardly be a surprise given that Rodgers has spent just shy of quarter of a billion pounds since taking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 So Arsenal aren't a big club either then? They have lost Fabregas, Van Persie, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Vermalen and others. Compared to Barcelona no, compared to Liverpool yes, Arsenal have won their own league in the last ten years for a start and are able to still attract top talent from huge club (Ozil and Sanchez). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieTodger Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 So Arsenal aren't a big club either then? They have lost Fabregas, Van Persie, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Vermalen and others. Well going off history and fan base then they're certainly not as "big" as Liverpool, but they've got to be a more attractive prospect for any potential transfer targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 You know Liverpool have turned to shit when a rent-a-scouse is offering £50 wagers to Leicester fans for finishing above a newly promoted side on their 2nd season back in the Premier League. How the mighty have fallen, saying that they do have Milner, Henderson and Lucas as a midfield 3, a poverty midfield that is a perfect representation of the city of Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 theyve often sold players for good reasons/due to ridic offers though, not necessarily just cos the player thinks a different club are "bigger" or "better". sterling's the only real example of that. torres they sold due to the ridic offer and at the time he was getting injured and going a bit shit. they sold suarez for another club record fee and part of the reason he left was just cos they quite simply couldnt be arsed defending him being a nutcase much more. alonso didnt leave because he wanted to go real cos they're a bigger club, he basically had to be forced to leave. gerrard stayed for his whole career. not sure on many other "top" players who've left at the peak of their powers? maybe mascherano but again barca would trump liverpool, united, chelsea, city or arsenal so it's hardly a major stick to beat them with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Well shut up then, I'll also offer you £50 that Liverpool finish above Spurs. Yeah I'll have that one with you. Name your charity. I'll go with The British Heart Foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Compared to Barcelona no, compared to Liverpool yes, Arsenal have won their own league in the last ten years for a start and are able to still attract top talent from huge club (Ozil and Sanchez). they havent like but still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad. Posted 22 September 2015 Author Share Posted 22 September 2015 Compared to Barcelona no, compared to Liverpool yes, Arsenal have won their own league in the last ten years for a start and are able to still attract top talent from huge club (Ozil and Sanchez). Fair point. But Liverpool are stil one of the biggest clubs in this country, along with Man United, fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 I find John Motson's latest comments rather entertaining. "Every time I read an article about Liverpool, there's somebody digging away at him. "If we can put things in perspective, two years ago he nearly won the league." Yes, correct. Liverpool didn't win the league title that year. Self-made problems from the past are now being tainted with a positive spin, just to make it all look better. Because ultimately, Rodgers failed to nail silverware on the last few meters of a marathon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad. Posted 22 September 2015 Author Share Posted 22 September 2015 Yeah I'll have that one with you. Name your charity. I'll go with The British Heart Foundation. Cancer Research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Liverpool need someone like Ancelotti to actually become a major club again. Rodgers has won nothing but a play-off final with Swansea but is given the job? Spent loads of money and what sort of value has he got out of ANY of those signings bar Sturridge? Even Coutinho was recommended by Benitez. http://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/25-1 I mean, look at that list. Maybe its not all down to Rodgers but that list absolutely stinks for the most part. The signings they made this summer seem better but still won't be good enough to finish top 4. The attraction of Liverpool to top class players is near on non-existent - when is the last time they signed a world class player? Suarez? Was he world class then? Playing in Holland it seems not. More widely, the Premier League as a whole has fallen behind in Europe because of bad investment. We have the financial capabilities to near-on dominate alongside Barca, Real and Bayern, but fail to do so. For the last few years top class players in the Premier League have either retired (mainly) or left for pastures new with no real replacements? United will not compete in Europe past a quarter-final appearance imo. Pellegrini is not good enough at elite level (so it seems) and Arsenal will just do what they do pretty much every season. Chelsea are stumbling in the league but realistically will be the best we have to represent us. We have no real realistic contenders which is quite sad. English clubs need to invest wisely - and I think Man City & United will need new managers. (Sorry to take it off topic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad. Posted 22 September 2015 Author Share Posted 22 September 2015 You know Liverpool have turned to shit when a rent-a-scouse is offering £50 wagers to Leicester fans for finishing above a newly promoted side on their 2nd season back in the Premier League. How the mighty have fallen, saying that they do have Milner, Henderson and Lucas as a midfield 3, a poverty midfield that is a perfect representation of the city of Liverpool. What a troubled young person you are, stick to TalkSport Adrian Durham. theyve often sold players for good reasons/due to ridic offers though, not necessarily just cos the player thinks a different club are "bigger" or "better". sterling's the only real example of that. torres they sold due to the ridic offer and at the time he was getting injured and going a bit shit. they sold suarez for another club record fee and part of the reason he left was just cos they quite simply couldnt be arsed defending him being a nutcase much more. alonso didnt leave because he wanted to go real cos they're a bigger club, he basically had to be forced to leave. gerrard stayed for his whole career. not sure on many other "top" players who've left at the peak of their powers? maybe mascherano but again barca would trump liverpool, united, chelsea, city or arsenal so it's hardly a major stick to beat them with. Spot on. Marcherano and Alonso have both said on record they wouldn't play for another club in England apart from Liverpool, same goes for Suarez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad. Posted 22 September 2015 Author Share Posted 22 September 2015 Rodgers has nothing to do with this debate really, 90% of Liverpool fans are done with him now, we want Ancelotti or Klopp, I wish we had brought Rafa back in the summer over Rodgers. Yet, whilst he is still in charge then you have to back him, not one for whitch hunts and shitty hashtags on Twitter. He hasn't brought great, but that's is simply because he can't attract the best names in the world, the best players play for the best managers, unless of course you can offer a shed load of money or you are Barcelona/Real Madrid. Since Rafa Benitez left we haven't had a huge name of a manager, Roy Hodgson came from a mediocre club in Fulham, couldn't attract the best names in the world and couldn't persuade Mascherano to stay. Kenny came in to replace the clown previously and he brought in Suarez and Henderson, only two players of success, both young and relatively unknown, Suarez was nowhere near the play who left when he first joined. Now Rodgers, only managed Watford, Reading and Swansea before us, again can't attract the big names, never won a trophy, FSG won break the bank on wages.. We need a top name manager to bring in the top name players. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Recruitment in general is all in all the problem, it's not exclusive to just Rodgers' spell at the club. It goes back as far as Rafa, but he was top coach to be able to work with what he's got and manage to consistently keep them in the top 4. Rodgers until the last couple of months was demonstrating good signs of that until April, it's clearly something internal. They've actually got a relatively decent squad, the only area they're awful in is at the back. They just need a system that works and it looks like Rodgers hasn't found that yet. It's pretty much a poisoned chalice for anyone who touches it atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blur Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 What a troubled young person you are, stick to TalkSport Adrian Durham. Spot on. Marcherano and Alonso have both said on record they wouldn't play for another club in England apart from Liverpool, same goes for Suarez. I am afraid quotes mean nothing for footballers nowdays. Just look at Fabregas' famous quote for an example. I do not normally post in this thread to beat you with a stick but you are better than resorting to quotes- football loyalty are meaningless in the modern age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Rodgers has nothing to do with this debate really, 90% of Liverpool fans are done with him now, we want Ancelotti or Klopp, I wish we had brought Rafa back in the summer over Rodgers. Yet, whilst he is still in charge then you have to back him, not one for whitch hunts and shitty hashtags on Twitter. He hasn't brought great, but that's is simply because he can't attract the best names in the world, the best players play for the best managers, unless of course you can offer a shed load of money or you are Barcelona/Real Madrid. Since Rafa Benitez left we haven't had a huge name of a manager, Roy Hodgson came from a mediocre club in Fulham, couldn't attract the best names in the world and couldn't persuade Mascherano to stay. Kenny came in to replace the clown previously and he brought in Suarez and Henderson, only two players of success, both young and relatively unknown, Suarez was nowhere near the play who left when he first joined. Now Rodgers, only managed Watford, Reading and Swansea before us, again can't attract the big names, never won a trophy, FSG won break the bank on wages.. We need a top name manager to bring in the top name players. Simple. Why Ancelotti? this seems like the job that really wouldn't suit him, he's primarily a cup manager anyway and doesn't seem like he'd be suited to a team in your position really. He's poised for a big club in a safe position, Klopp i understand, although I'd probably argue that Favre would be a better fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Walsh5 Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Why on earth would anyone take that? It won't happen but you would get about 14/1 at the bookies on Leicester finishing above Liverpool if anyone seriously believed it. We are 4/1 to finish above Liverpool. Surprised at that, I'd want something over 10's to even think about backing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samilktray Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 By the sounds of it Klopp is sniffing round the Bayern job so I doubt Liverpool would be able to get him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkon84 Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Hodgson signed Suarez, not Kenny. So how did someone who Liverpool fans have always slated and is an apparent no-mark, manage to bring in such a great (albeit troubled) player, whereas Rodgers can't? Is it perhaps because Liverpool have declined further since then and they just aren't seen as one of the top clubs. Their worldwide fanbase is still huge, but that doesn't make them a big club....winning trophies does, and winning them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Walsh5 Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Kenny Dalglish signed both Suraez & Carroll on the same day didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 By the sounds of it Klopp is sniffing round the Bayern job so I doubt Liverpool would be able to get him now. You really think that'd happen? No chance if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted 22 September 2015 Share Posted 22 September 2015 Daliglish signed Suarez and Carroll ( ) on the same day after they'd unloaded Torres to Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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