Parafox Posted 20 January 2017 Share Posted 20 January 2017 There's been so much oppression and division of races in America and stats show that even during Obama's presidency it's got worse. Will DT change it for the better or for worse? Did Obama divide or unite races in America? What will Trump do, given his apparent vindictive, racist stance? Is he right to highlight those non-ethnic Americans and prioritise America for the (non-indigenous) Americans? If this seems to succeed what does that mean for the rest of the world? Will it affect the (western) world view on ethnic diversity and acceptance? I think the ethnic groups have a lot to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 Race in America is like class in this country. Any efforts to create a raceless society in the US will prove as futile as efforts to create a classless society here because how people identify themselves is ingrained into our culture. Crashing different identities together again and again will only result in a equal reaction to eventually smash apart. The best democracy can offer is to provide each group individually with a party they can vote for to represent their interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 49 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Race in America is like class in this country. Any efforts to create a raceless society in the US will prove as futile as efforts to create a classless society here because how people identify themselves is ingrained into our culture. Crashing different identities together again and again will only result in a equal reaction to eventually smash apart. The best democracy can offer is to provide each group individually with a party they can vote for to represent their interests. I agree, I think we divide ourselves. All enthnicities and classes do it. We do it over races, nationalities, gender, sexuality and intelligence. It's human nature and the French are twats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 When the kkk is a huge supporter of trump i cant see how things will get better. I think trump emboldened white people specifically to say what they feel in regards to race. I think we will definitely see more cases of the "N" word or "terrorist" etc used as well as the classic "go back to where you came from" bollocks. Im hoping americans are better than that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benguin Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 Yeah, America's way more racist than it was before the sixties! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzinderFox Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 6 hours ago, Jattdogg said: When the kkk is a huge supporter of trump i cant see how things will get better. And when was the last time they wanted anybody other than the republican to win? Big supporters of Obama before Trump came along were they?! I don't see why we need a separate thread for this when we already have a Trump thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barky Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 Probably a similar but greater effect to brexit in the way that thick chavs and grandads took it as validation of their racism - I imagine there are large numbers of very unintelligent Americans who voted trump now thinking it's ok to be racist, and when the president is pretty much a racist scumbag himself, maybe it is ok. Sucks to be you, America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 9 hours ago, Parafox said: I think the ethnic groups have a lot to fear. Everybody probably have a lot to fear. Did you see the poor disabled white kid locked up and beaten by three "ethnic" people (not sure how to put that). I'm not one of these people who will campaign Trump shouldn't be in the job but considering he has no past history of politics I'm sure that fears a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 If people were racist before they'll still be racist, if they weren't they still won't be. The growing problem in the Western world is intolerance and over reaction. Let's be honest whoever the republican candidate was the reaction would have been similar, just look what happened after our election/brexit vote. Some people need to learn that in a democracy sometimes you don't get the result you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 It would be a hell of an effort to leave race relations at a worse level than Obama has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 25 minutes ago, Webbo said: If people were racist before they'll still be racist, if they weren't they still won't be. The growing problem in the Western world is intolerance and over reaction. Let's be honest whoever the republican candidate was the reaction would have been similar, just look what happened after our election/brexit vote. Some people need to learn that in a democracy sometimes you don't get the result you want. This is spot on. The racists will still be racists, they will just be more noticed/more open about it. Just like after the brexit vote when there was a spat of donkeys across the UK feeling brave and validated. Not seen any "hate-crime" numbers lately but can't say I've witnessed anything first hand, or seen much in the news about it for a while. Think it will be the same in America tbh, they won't just all of a sudden become racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 14 minutes ago, Innovindil said: This is spot on. The racists will still be racists, they will just be more noticed/more open about it. Just like after the brexit vote when there was a spat of donkeys across the UK feeling brave and validated. Not seen any "hate-crime" numbers lately but can't say I've witnessed anything first hand, or seen much in the news about it for a while. Think it will be the same in America tbh, they won't just all of a sudden become racist. No one should take hate crime numbers seriously in this day and age, conference speeches, bike theft and wold whistling is sometimes recorded as it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 There will be a wider use of the phrase 'I am not racist but.......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 no, it will just hide it less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebum Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 So so tired of all this nonsense about Trump being a racist. What an over used word, I must read it 100 times a day in various outlets. Im sick of seeing the word but what sickens me more is this repulsive social media lark which seems capable of swinging simple weak minded peoples opinions one way or another. These pathetic liberal minded snowflakes who spend their entire lives with eyes glued to cyberspace where nothing is real, they havent lived, not experienced enough to make judgement on world affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 27 minutes ago, ozleicester said: no, it will just hide it less True. But the word will be redefined. Build a wall? No you are taking America back. Torture immigrants? No you are making America great again. And it goes on. He has played into the hands of those with prejudices and made it OK to have prejudiced views because they are doing it for the better good.The ignorant came out in their droves to vote for Trump in a poor two horse race where you lost whichever one you backed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 11 minutes ago, Rincewind said: True. But the word will be redefined. Build a wall? No you are taking America back. Torture immigrants? No you are making America great again. And it goes on. He has played into the hands of those with prejudices and made it OK to have prejudiced views because they are doing it for the better good.The ignorant came out in their droves to vote for Trump in a poor two horse race where you lost whichever one you backed. America is fvcked UK is fvcked Europe is fvcked Just watch Iddiocracy and plan for your future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 He was promising to torture immigrants now? Surprised that speech didn't make the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 1 hour ago, somebum said: So so tired of all this nonsense about Trump being a racist. What an over used word, I must read it 100 times a day in various outlets. Im sick of seeing the word but what sickens me more is this repulsive social media lark which seems capable of swinging simple weak minded peoples opinions one way or another. These pathetic liberal minded snowflakes who spend their entire lives with eyes glued to cyberspace where nothing is real, they havent lived, not experienced enough to make judgement on world affairs. That you, Buzzy? Hang on, spelling and punctuation is all correct, never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1 Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 Seriously some people on here are equating Trumps words of "making America great again" with torturing immigrants? The word racist and racism has completely lost its meaning with a lot of people, especially the young. As a non white person who grew up on the Braunstone estate in the 70s and 80s, I was subjected to racism pretty much everyday of my life. Now I have a young son who, when he used to see something he didn't like or agree with, called it racist or racism. A couple of months ago my son told me one of his teachers was a racist. Worried I asked him why he said this. Apparently he was talking and didn't stop when the teacher asked and so was told off. For him that constituted racism, being reprimanded by a white teacher for talking in class. I put him straight but there are a lot of kids for whom that doesn't happen and the words are bandied about to describe all manner of situations. This breeds resentment and fuels hatred. Yesterday on Newsnight they said that the standard of living for black families has deteriorated badly under the 8 Obama years. Apparently the average income for a white household now is 143K whereas for a black household it is just 11K, or 7.7% of their white counter parts. This is scandalous and may be one of the reasons race relations are at an all time low under Obama. Now Trump talks of bringing jobs back to America and getting people off welfare. That should be music to most peoples ears especially poor black families whose income has completely crashed. Millions of illegal immigrants may be sent home, opening more, all be it poorly paid jobs, but at least it would be better then welfare and food stamps. Trump is called a racist but it was Hilary who had to apologise for calling young black men "super predators". Unfortunately I think there is an agenda funded by George Soros and his ilk that wants to divide and conquer. If he's successful then all of America will suffer, black, brown and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richmondfox Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 16 hours ago, Jattdogg said: When the kkk is a huge supporter of trump i cant see how things will get better. I think trump emboldened white people specifically to say what they feel in regards to race. I think we will definitely see more cases of the "N" word or "terrorist" etc used as well as the classic "go back to where you came from" bollocks. Im hoping americans are better than that though. Things wont change if people from all sides don't come together and all push in the right direction, just like in this country. Certain groups might stop being victims and prosper if the left stop continuously telling them they are. Just because the KKK endorsed Trump doesn't mean that he or the rest of his supporters have the same belief system as they do. Hilary's mentor and good friend Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK, does that mean she has the same views? She accepted millions from the Saudi government, does that mean she supports women not being able to drive or the killing of gay people? She was funded by Soros who has commited enough shady acts in destabilising countries for his own gain. Trump has the LGBTQAI community and countless snowflakes calling him homophobic when he hasn't said anything about them. Hilary and Obama in the past have campaigned against gay marriage. There was a lot of double standards in this election and offense taken to suit a certain narrative. I don't understand why the Women's march in London don't go and protest outside the Saudi embassy. The women in that country are a little more oppressed than in the US. Rather than getting angry over something he said 10 years ago they could chant Honour killings aren't honourable or please don't stone women and gays to death. Edited my terrable spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 Why is it racist to be fed up of subsiding 100,000's of immigrants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 I don't think there will be an increased numbers in racist but the racist will feel empowered to be more vocal or more confident in racist acts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bovril Posted 21 January 2017 Share Posted 21 January 2017 Two mentions of Soros and it's not even the conspiracy thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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