steveherbe Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 What ever about skin colour the sacking rates in lower leagues is crazy Time that clubs were tied to a management quota ! Black manager numbers is a MASSIVE issue its time this was addressed it's a shocking disgrace No no no. You cannot have quotas based on skin colour or race. Asians, Indians/Pakistanis, Chinese, where do we stop? There are thousands of Poles in our country, should we have one as a manager just to fill quotas. If Black managers arent good enough, they get sacked, just like white managers - else that in itself becomes discrimination. The best 92 managers should manage our league clubs, whether they are black, white or Jedi fookin knights.Edited to say, looks like I'm not the only one that thinks this way. Sorry Mr Claridge, I think you lost this one.
TheMightySystem Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 I think something needs to be done about the amount of sackings in the lower leagues. Look at Pearson as an example of a manager who could have been sacked for missing the play-offs but because he was given time to build his squad the next season he won the championship. Too many owners are trying to aim for short term success and sort of hoping the next manager will bring instant success, then when it doesn't happen they get the sack. Maybe have a rule that a manager can only be sacked after being in the job for a year or 6 months at the least?
Wymsey Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 But what would be the rule if he wanted to resign personally? If a manager wanted to leave but can't for another few weeks, it will probably breach what he's allowed to do in terms of being an employee (requesting to resign etc).
Donut Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 I think something needs to be done about the amount of sackings in the lower leagues. Look at Pearson as an example of a manager who could have been sacked for missing the play-offs but because he was given time to build his squad the next season he won the championship. Too many owners are trying to aim for short term success and sort of hoping the next manager will bring instant success, then when it doesn't happen they get the sack. Maybe have a rule that a manager can only be sacked after being in the job for a year or 6 months at the least? By which time hes ruined the shit out of your club like Sherwood? Clubs are the owners to run as they wish. There are patient owners, there are ones who arent.
TheMightySystem Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 But what would be the rule if he wanted to resign personally? If a manager wanted to leave but can't for another few weeks, it will probably breach what he's allowed to do in terms of being an employee. By which time hes ruined the shit out of your club like Sherwood? Clubs are the owners to run as they wish. There are patient owners, there are ones who arent. I see your points I was just throwing an idea out there, there is a reason im only a fan and not a member of the FA
Tuna Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 Jason Roberts is marching down to Sky Sports News HQ as we speak.
kingcarr21 Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 Surely Pearson is nailed on for the QPR job. One of the biggest clubs in the Championship. Not ideal but i would rather see Pearson go there than Forest.
RedSoxUK Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 Jason, you can't come in.. it will look too obvious we're race baiting if you give a statement.. 'SEND IN TROY TOWNSEND INSTEAD' "I know people will say results are not right. but there is a lot more to it than that." I'm with Troy, there must be some whitey illuminati going on for black managers to not get jobs and get sacked in the ones they have; here are some fabricated statistics as to why we should have more black manaagers; here, look, Rooooooney rule? eh? eh? That has to be the answer, everyone has to be thinking that right?? Or could it just be too hard of a occam's razor to accept that it's a results-based game and it was a few black managers turn to face the axe.
Jimothy Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 Jason, you can't come in.. it will look too obvious we're race baiting if you give a statement.. 'SEND IN TROY TOWNSEND INSTEAD' "I know people will say results are not right. but there is a lot more to it than that." I'm with Troy, there must be some whitey illuminati going on for black managers to not get jobs and get sacked in the ones they have; here are some fabricated statistics as to why we should have more black manaagers; here, look, Rooooooney rule? eh? eh? That has to be the answer, everyone has to be thinking that right?? Or could it just be too hard of a occam's razor to accept that it's a results-based game and it was a few black managers turn to face the axe. Seems yesterday when I predicted Roberts and Campbell would speak up and bring race into it, I got the wrong people but the right statement. It's people like Townsend who create a race issue, nobody else. Comments like one in that statement saying "There's more to than results" help nobody and are totally unfounded. He should probably take note that Chris Ramsey was sacked by a black man, so even less evidence of racism playing its part there.
Nalis Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 Fair play to Frank Sinclair. Its funny its always the failed coaches who played the card such as Ince. For instance, when do you ever hear Hughton complaining about race? Surely the focus should be on getting as many BME ex pros into coaching early and having them qualified in order to have more people in management positions down the line rather than simply saying 'Clubs dont employ black coaches because they are racist, lets have the Rooney Rule.'
Wymsey Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 There's been many 'white' managerial sackings over the past few seasons. Not many complained about this statistic, did they? It's all about whether about the manager's have met club's lowest/highest expectations and this week Powell and Ramsey were the victims of it unfortunately. Any accusation of racism has gone too far in these situations, and it's getting quite ridiculous to be honest. If there were no black people as players, then this would really be an issue - football (apart from obviously Russia amongst a few others) has developed well and the current stance is that it's trying to be equal and fair.
AKCJ Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 The vicious circle starts with completely racist twats like Roberts and Campbell who put forward the idea that black men and women have no chance of a job as manager. Which puts black people off the idea of going through the rigours of obtaining their badges.
RedSoxUK Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 The vicious circle starts with completely racist twats like Roberts and Campbell who put forward the idea that black men and women have no chance of a job as manager. Which puts black people off the idea of going through the rigours of obtaining their badges. For once I agree with you, well put.
Leicesterpool Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 Surely Pearson is nailed on for the QPR job. One of the biggest clubs in the Championship. Not ideal but i would rather see Pearson go there than Forest. Sorry I misread the message. For me I'd rather him go forest than QPR, don't want another london club team in the premier league.
StanSP Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 The vicious circle starts with completely racist twats like Roberts and Campbell who put forward the idea that black men and women have no chance of a job as manager. Which puts black people off the idea of going through the rigours of obtaining their badges. I completely agree with the sentiment but what people like Roberts and Campbell say doesn't make them racist. For what it's worth, I think they're absolute bellends and the shit they come out with whenever a black manager gets sacked is utter rubbish but that doesn't make them racist
Guest Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 One thing's certain though; if we were to qualify for Europe (either through league position or winning the FA Cup), Derby were to be promoted and Forest were to be relegated, their fans would still claim they're the biggest club in the East Midlands despite being two divisions beneath both us and Derby. Well they were European Champions.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 the problem was never black managers being dismissed for their colour, the problem was them getting the same opportunities coming into the coaching game with the same qualifications as white males with limited experience. I think a few of the more high profile names, like Dwight Yorke for instance shouldn't really be expecting to walk into a premier league club. But then again, you can make the same case for a man like Tim Sherwood with almost no experience bar putting the cones out at Tottenham for a few years.
AKCJ Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 I completely agree with the sentiment but what people like Roberts and Campbell say doesn't make them racist. For what it's worth, I think they're absolute bellends and the shit they come out with whenever a black manager gets sacked is utter rubbish but that doesn't make them racist They think that black people should be given jobs based on the colour of their skin, they're also pleased when a person is apointed and annoyed when someone is sacked because of their skin colour They're completely racist.
Danno Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 people don't half seem to take a lot of satisfaction from black managers being sacked on here for some reason
Jimothy Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 people don't half seem to take a lot of satisfaction from black managers being sacked on here for some reason Must have missed the part where people are showing satisfaction, you'll have to point it out to me. Seems to be just a few people, myself included, calling out the idiots who try and make the sacking of any black managers about his skin colour and not his ability.
chrishlcfc Posted 5 November 2015 Posted 5 November 2015 people don't half seem to take a lot of satisfaction from black managers being sacked on here for some reason Wrong, nobody is going round saying Yes another black manger gone, it's more the fact that black people come out and spout a load of shit basically saying that is down to there skin colour for the reason they are sacked which is totally and utter bollocks, if Chris Ramsey was white would he have got sacked, yes of course he would. That is the be all and end all of the story.
ScouseFox Posted 6 November 2015 Posted 6 November 2015 aaa can't get nooooo satisfaction hey hey hey
Dan Posted 6 November 2015 Posted 6 November 2015 Must have missed the part where people are showing satisfaction, you'll have to point it out to me. Seems to be just a few people, myself included, calling out the idiots who try and make the sacking of any black managers about his skin colour and not his ability. The BBC are the worst for it. Every single time without fail they promote this utter shite. No satisfaction here. More of an "oh god here we go again". I'll concede that there aren't many black managers in the game but I honestly don't think without people like Campbell and Roberts making something out of nothing that anyone would have even given it a second thought. I really do think the likes of Campbell have done their own stupid cause more damage than good.
C-man Posted 6 November 2015 Posted 6 November 2015 I think they have too. Clubs now have to think twice about appointing a BME manager because they know if they turn out to be a failure, which let's face it 75% of ALL managers are (only 24 of 92 league club managers have been in a job for more than 2 years), they know they'll face more criticism for not giving a BME manager a proper crack at the whip than any other manager - English or foreign. There should be more, but just whinging about it is not the answer.
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