TheSomersetFox Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Jeff was brilliant during the latter part of the season where his strenghts were played to. obviously he's not worth 20-30m, as both Fabregas and Costa were, but there's no reason we should let him go for any less than that. He could really flourish if he's used in the right way. Got the same feeling about him as you i reckon Col, love the bloke. Some of the shit he was getting on here for a few poor touches here and there was ridiculous (albeit they were extremely poor, seem to remember him giving it away stupidly at the Etihad) but its still only his first proper season in the team. Need to keep hold of him.
Ozwin Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Gareth Bale mk II. Like someone said on here, he's 10/20% away from being a world beater. The amount of times he's gets around the outside of full backs is frighting, it's just a shame his final ball isn't up to much. He sorts that and we've got some player.
Dan Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Amazing how people are now saying £20m (even £30m) - posters always pick up the most extreme and then exaggerate further. He's worth as much as someone will pay for him or as much as it would cost us to replace him. I can't see anyone offering £13m-£15m but we'd need that much to replace him with a similar level player, so I wouldn't accept any less - of course I hope we keep him over the long term. We might have just brought in someone better for free. Admittedly not with the age on his side but proof enough that your statement there isn't true. You honestly think to buy someone of Schlupp's ability we'd have to shell out that much? That's doing a serious dis-service to our scouting team. Don't sell Schlupp for the sake of it, but if someone offers well over the odds then we can't be sentimental. It was only 6 months ago he largely split opinion (and he still does to an extent).
Ric Flair Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Jeff's physicality and pace mean the pitch opens up for him and that's why he looks so dangerous. However, until he can consistently pass, cross and shoot then this knack he has becomes fairly useless. To play at the highest level and to stay there you have to have regular end product, I've got serious doubts he'll learn to produce it on a regular basis, purely because he can't do some basic things right which shows a big flaw in his technical ability. I do think he's good enough for our aspirations though which is a decent and competitive PL side.
Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 We might have just brought in someone better for free. Admittedly not with the age on his side but proof enough that your statement there isn't true. You honestly think to buy someone of Schlupp's ability we'd have to shell out that much? That's doing a serious dis-service to our scouting team. Don't sell Schlupp for the sake of it, but if someone offers well over the odds then we can't be sentimental. It was only 6 months ago he largely split opinion (and he still does to an extent). Pretty much what I was thinking. We've got a scouting network that bough Mahrez for 500k, Was on a free, Vardy for a million and we've got people thinking we'd need 15million to replace Schulpp?
I am Rod Hull Posted 10 June 2015 Posted 10 June 2015 Jeff and the club in talks over a new contract.
LAprice_ Posted 10 June 2015 Posted 10 June 2015 Pretty much what I was thinking. We've got a scouting network that bough Mahrez for 500k, Was on a free, Vardy for a million and we've got people thinking we'd need 15million to replace Schulpp? Okay, we may be one of the exceptions, along with clubs like Southampton and, to a lesser extent, Arsenal. When you look at some other transfer fees, it's not unrealistic to expect a huge amount. Balotelli to Liverpool: £16 million Lallana to Liverpool: £25 million Lovren to Liverpool: £20 million Markovic to Liverpool: £20 million Schlupp, in my opinion, has been better than all of them players. Hypothetically speaking, if Liverpool wanted him, I wouldn't sell for less than £25 million. Seriously. Obviously it's not going to happen but it's really worth considering! A player's value is not based on just their own abilities and contract, but also the whole transfer market in general. Arsenal are a rich club, therefore, we should push them to pay highly.
4everfox Posted 10 June 2015 Posted 10 June 2015 Pretty much what I was thinking. We've got a scouting network that bough Mahrez for 500k, Was on a free, Vardy for a million and we've got people thinking we'd need 15million to replace Schulpp? Its not about getting the money we'd need to replace Schlupp, its about getting ourselves a more then fair price. Clubs have been ripping us off for years, why shouldn't we return the favour? I'd also be very interested in getting a few clauses in there that would make us more money in the future. Why shouldn't we hold clubs to ransom for our better players like practically every club in the country does?
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2015 Posted 10 June 2015 Okay, we may be one of the exceptions, along with clubs like Southampton and, to a lesser extent, Arsenal. When you look at some other transfer fees, it's not unrealistic to expect a huge amount. Balotelli to Liverpool: £16 million Lallana to Liverpool: £25 million Lovren to Liverpool: £20 million Markovic to Liverpool: £20 million Schlupp, in my opinion, has been better than all of them players. Hypothetically speaking, if Liverpool wanted him, I wouldn't sell for less than £25 million. Seriously. Obviously it's not going to happen but it's really worth considering! A player's value is not based on just their own abilities and contract, but also the whole transfer market in general. Arsenal are a rich club, therefore, we should push them to pay highly. We can't base what we sell for on the fact Liverpool got taken to the cleaners in the transfer market. You have to be in some sort of fantasy World if you are seriously not accepting £24million for Schulpp. It would actually make him the most expensive left back in the World apart from Luke Shaw (which was just as much of a ridiculous fee as this is and Soton rightly took it and invested it wisely). Its not about getting the money we'd need to replace Schlupp, its about getting ourselves a more then fair price. Clubs have been ripping us off for years, why shouldn't we return the favour? I'd also be very interested in getting a few clauses in there that would make us more money in the future. Why shouldn't we hold clubs to ransom for our better players like practically every club in the country does? The reason we got ripped off was because we had Sven Goran Erikkson in charge, nothing else, if you employ him expect it, it's happened everywhere he has been. Once he had gone we built a Championship winning side barely paying seven figures for a singleplayer. You can try and hold a club to ransom if you want but they have to be stupid enough to fall for it, Arsene Wenger wouldn't fork out 25million for Vidal or Khedira two years back as he thought he was being held to ransom, he's not going to do that then be held at gunpoint for Schulpp. I think we have done well with sales, Mattock and Stearman were sold for millions and ended up as lower league players, only Max Gradel and Gareth McAuley off the top of my head do I think we should have got more for when selling. I like Jeff but if we can seriously get anything like 10-12 million for him that Pearson can go out and spend not even effecting us in regards to FFP I'd do it like a shot, he'd get 2-3 top ten PL players in for that.
LAprice_ Posted 10 June 2015 Posted 10 June 2015 My point is, big teams are willing, able and stupid enough to spend a lot of money. Why should we accept £10 million for Schlupp when mediocre players are being sold for twice that. We have all the power in this situation. We don't need the money and we can compete with wages. If a club really want Schlupp, we should name the price. Set the price ridiculously high and a.) a club will be stupid enough to pay or b.) we keep one of the most promising left-wing-backs in the country.
sphericalfox Posted 10 June 2015 Posted 10 June 2015 We can't base what we sell for on the fact Liverpool got taken to the cleaners in the transfer market. You have to be in some sort of fantasy World if you are seriously not accepting £24million for Schulpp. It would actually make him the most expensive left back in the World apart from Luke Shaw (which was just as much of a ridiculous fee as this is and Soton rightly took it and invested it wisely). The reason we got ripped off was because we had Sven Goran Erikkson in charge, nothing else, if you employ him expect it, it's happened everywhere he has been. Once he had gone we built a Championship winning side barely paying seven figures for a singleplayer. You can try and hold a club to ransom if you want but they have to be stupid enough to fall for it, Arsene Wenger wouldn't fork out 25million for Vidal or Khedira two years back as he thought he was being held to ransom, he's not going to do that then be held at gunpoint for Schulpp. I think we have done well with sales, Mattock and Stearman were sold for millions and ended up as lower league players, only Max Gradel and Gareth McAuley off the top of my head do I think we should have got more for when selling. I like Jeff but if we can seriously get anything like 10-12 million for him that Pearson can go out and spend not even effecting us in regards to FFP I'd do it like a shot, he'd get 2-3 top ten PL players in for that. Wrong. Top came out and said basically money was no object. Why are you still banging that drum? Yes, with Sven onboard prices were always going to go up, but our owners shot themselves in both feet, and then Neville couldn't negotiate his way out of a paperbag. NOTHING ELSE. You are right about Arsenal, they are about the tightest tight-arses in the top 4, and have been for years, there's no way of all teams, they will pay through the nose. I was thinking 8m would be a reasonably stupid amount for him, but I am very doubtful we will get that kind of offer.
Guest MattP Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Wrong. Top came out and said basically money was no object. Why are you still banging that drum? Yes, with Sven onboard prices were always going to go up, but our owners shot themselves in both feet, and then Neville couldn't negotiate his way out of a paperbag. NOTHING ELSE. Shouting in capitals doesn't make it anymore veracious. It's not wrong, but I agree it's not the total truth, of course it was a combination of things and it was ridiculous of us to announce we were going to spend big, I know you are a Sven fanatic but it's hard to argue that profligacy hasn't followed him wherever he has been.
sphericalfox Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 Shouting in capitals doesn't make it anymore veracious. It's not wrong, but I agree it's not the total truth, of course it was a combination of things and it was ridiculous of us to announce we were going to spend big, I know you are a Sven fanatic but it's hard to argue that profligacy hasn't followed him wherever he has been. Sorry to be a pedant, and question your actual defintion of 'nothing else'. But your statement was very inaccurate, and all you are doing is sustaining a nonsense. As you've pointed out it was a combination of idiocies. I should have highlighted your words rather than capitalised them, but hey-ho. I'll not turn this thread Sven, and I wouldn't use the word 'fan' of Sven, merely I supported elements of his reign, and strangely I'm against other parts if what happened under his management and certainly don't leave him blameless. Though it's easier to pigeon-hole those who aren't wholly anti-Sven and think that every single thing that happened under his time at the club was both disastrous and expensive. We're in agreement to a degree but your 'red top' approach to recalling history is poor and you're better than that Matt.
BrummieFOX Posted 11 June 2015 Posted 11 June 2015 £25 Million!! What world do some people live in. Jeff has had a fairly unremarkable career with us so far and this is the first season he's managed to consistently hold down a place in the 1st team. Don't get me wrong, he's had a good season a probably deserved his awards but if someone offers £10m-£15m for him (which they won't), we'd be stupid to turn it down (at this moment in time)- it would be well over the odds. If anyone has read 'Soccernomics' or 'Why England always lose', it proves that teams most effective in the transfer market will always sell a player if they're offered over the odds for him.
Clever Fox Posted 18 June 2015 Posted 18 June 2015 £25 Million!! What world do some people live in. Jeff has had a fairly unremarkable career with us so far and this is the first season he's managed to consistently hold down a place in the 1st team. Don't get me wrong, he's had a good season a probably deserved his awards but if someone offers £10m-£15m for him (which they won't), we'd be stupid to turn it down (at this moment in time)- it would be well over the odds. If anyone has read 'Soccernomics' or 'Why England always lose', it proves that teams most effective in the transfer market will always sell a player if they're offered over the odds for him. Cant agree with you. Jeff is only 22 and has just completed his first season in the premiership. You can only do that if A you have the ability or B you're playing in a very poor and struggling team. He's also the only player that can play in that left sided role for us.. He was also possibly the best left sided player in that role in the league last season. The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. The fact that other clubs like Arsenal are trying to sign Jeff proves that he offers huge potential. If you consider Arsenal paid 12 million for Walcot at a similar age and that's 5 or 6 years ago. Given Jeffs age and current experience he must be worth 10 Million to us on current market prices. If he continues to work hard and progress further who knows what he could be worth.
sphericalfox Posted 18 June 2015 Posted 18 June 2015 Cant agree with you. Jeff is only 22 and has just completed his first season in the premiership. You can only do that if A you have the ability or B you're playing in a very poor and struggling team. He's also the only player that can play in that left sided role for us.. He was also possibly the best left sided player in that role in the league last season. The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. The fact that other clubs like Arsenal are trying to sign Jeff proves that he offers huge potential. If you consider Arsenal paid 12 million for Walcot at a similar age and that's 5 or 6 years ago. Given Jeffs age and current experience he must be worth 10 Million to us on current market prices. If he continues to work hard and progress further who knows what he could be worth. If Jeff goes to Arsenal, he'll barely make the bench, bar some cups runs. He'd be there just to make the homegrown quota.
Ian S Posted 18 June 2015 Posted 18 June 2015 Cant agree with you. Jeff is only 22 and has just completed his first season in the premiership. You can only do that if A you have the ability or B you're playing in a very poor and struggling team. He's also the only player that can play in that left sided role for us.. He was also possibly the best left sided player in that role in the league last season. The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. The fact that other clubs like Arsenal are trying to sign Jeff proves that he offers huge potential. If you consider Arsenal paid 12 million for Walcot at a similar age and that's 5 or 6 years ago. Given Jeffs age and current experience he must be worth 10 Million to us on current market prices. If he continues to work hard and progress further who knows what he could be worth. Liverpool actually got Milner on a free .
Long Eaton Fox Posted 18 June 2015 Posted 18 June 2015 Schlupp has improved over the last two years and last season become a first choice player. He has everything, pace, power just needs a little bit more experience and he will become a top player. I'm talking top 6 premiership standard. Hope it's with us.
ealingfox Posted 18 June 2015 Posted 18 June 2015 The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. That should really be the end of your part in this discussion.
VLC86 Posted 18 June 2015 Posted 18 June 2015 Cant agree with you. Jeff is only 22 and has just completed his first season in the premiership. You can only do that if A you have the ability or B you're playing in a very poor and struggling team. He's also the only player that can play in that left sided role for us.. He was also possibly the best left sided player in that role in the league last season. The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. The fact that other clubs like Arsenal are trying to sign Jeff proves that he offers huge potential. If you consider Arsenal paid 12 million for Walcot at a similar age and that's 5 or 6 years ago. Given Jeffs age and current experience he must be worth 10 Million to us on current market prices. If he continues to work hard and progress further who knows what he could be worth. For my own sanity I really hope I never meet a thick fox if this is the best a clever one can come up with.
4everfox Posted 18 June 2015 Posted 18 June 2015 Cant agree with you. Jeff is only 22 and has just completed his first season in the premiership. You can only do that if A you have the ability or B you're playing in a very poor and struggling team. He's also the only player that can play in that left sided role for us.. He was also possibly the best left sided player in that role in the league last season. The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. The fact that other clubs like Arsenal are trying to sign Jeff proves that he offers huge potential. If you consider Arsenal paid 12 million for Walcot at a similar age and that's 5 or 6 years ago. Given Jeffs age and current experience he must be worth 10 Million to us on current market prices. If he continues to work hard and progress further who knows what he could be worth.So many things wrong with this:-Point 'B' makes absolutely no sense. -Fuchs can play left wing back, Mahrez can play left winger. -Schlupp wasn't the best left wing back/winger last season. -James Milner doesn't play left wing back. -James Milner didn't cost Liverpool 28 million, he was a free transfer. -Arsenal signed Walcott when he was 17.
Jacnah Posted 18 June 2015 Posted 18 June 2015 Cant agree with you. Jeff is only 22 and has just completed his first season in the premiership. You can only do that if A you have the ability or B you're playing in a very poor and struggling team. He's also the only player that can play in that left sided role for us.. He was also possibly the best left sided player in that role in the league last season. The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. The fact that other clubs like Arsenal are trying to sign Jeff proves that he offers huge potential. If you consider Arsenal paid 12 million for Walcot at a similar age and that's 5 or 6 years ago. Given Jeffs age and current experience he must be worth 10 Million to us on current market prices. If he continues to work hard and progress further who knows what he could be worth. For my own sanity I really hope I never meet a thick fox if this is the best a clever one can come up with. you wrote what i was thinking...best laugh ive had all day
MPH Posted 19 June 2015 Posted 19 June 2015 Cant agree with you. Jeff is only 22 and has just completed his first season in the premiership. You can only do that if A you have the ability or B you're playing in a very poor and struggling team. He's also the only player that can play in that left sided role for us.. He was also possibly the best left sided player in that role in the league last season. The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. The fact that other clubs like Arsenal are trying to sign Jeff proves that he offers huge potential. If you consider Arsenal paid 12 million for Walcot at a similar age and that's 5 or 6 years ago. Given Jeffs age and current experience he must be worth 10 Million to us on current market prices. If he continues to work hard and progress further who knows what he could be worth. You're a forest fan trolling us, aren't you?
RedSoxUK Posted 19 June 2015 Posted 19 June 2015 Cant agree with you. Jeff is only 22 and has just completed his first season in the premiership. You can only do that if A you have the ability or B you're playing in a very poor and struggling team. He's also the only player that can play in that left sided role for us.. He was also possibly the best left sided player in that role in the league last season. The only player who played a similar role was James Milner from man city who couldn't hold down a regular place in the Team and yet Liverpool have just paid 28 million for him. The fact that other clubs like Arsenal are trying to sign Jeff proves that he offers huge potential. If you consider Arsenal paid 12 million for Walcot at a similar age and that's 5 or 6 years ago. Given Jeffs age and current experience he must be worth 10 Million to us on current market prices. If he continues to work hard and progress further who knows what he could be worth. I don't know where to begin with this..
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