CKB Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Lately? You mean four games with a shite team that is Greece, that as he pointed out still lost to the Faroe island's without him Greece should still not be losing to minnows like Faroe Islands! It's not just about his previous jobs either with me it's about whether he is the right fit for us But he's our manager now and i'll get behind the team and him and hope he does progress us as a club
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Surely the one point improvement is seen as a minimum, not the limit? I saw that as metaphorical. As in, progress would be to improve upon last season, points wise. People are taking the comment too literally when I'm pretty sure it was made metaphorically.
Finnaldo Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 If Pearson had said the exact same thing, then we'd all accept it as part of Nige's plan for us, which I have no problem with. Like when Pearson came back, Ranieri needs time to introduce the team to his philosophy and make the altercations that are necessary. We gave Nige a year and a half to get it spot on and win the Championship, and we gave him all of last season, especially around March when we were facing an uphill battle. As much as I love the man for what he did for us, Nige was not the be all and end all, and it could well turn out that Ranieri is a better fit for us than Nigel at this point, it could not, but he needs this season to prove what he can do. We're already judging him on his English skills, yet when the media were questioning Pearson's conduct and the pressure getting to him, most of us resisted it and felt Pearson could still take us forward. So what he's not fully fluent? Chances are he can competently get his point across and it can only improve whilst he's here. He's already said he won't change much, and that he'll likely only sign 3-4 players, and that he's appealed to Cambiasso to re-sign but he's weighing up his options, so how many people can still be so against the signing is beyond me.
Jace Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I quite like Ranieri after that interview he is spot on about Cambiasso
benpicko Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I saw that as metaphorical. As in, progress would be to improve upon last season, points wise. People are taking the comment too literally when I'm pretty sure it was made metaphorically. Yeah, I take it as that now as well after having actually seen it, especially as he elaborates on what he means and explains he simply means improvement year upon year. A point is an improvement, but of course we're aiming higher
Mark_w Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I saw that as metaphorical. As in, progress would be to improve upon last season, points wise. People are taking the comment too literally when I'm pretty sure it was made metaphorically. Either way it's better than the sort of unrealistic heights he could have set for us to achieve. A slow build is the right way to approach things, and to his credit Ranieri has said the right things in the media so far, and they're not what he necessarily had to say. It'll be interesting to see if his approach is in line with what he's said so far. He's certainly sounded more in touch with what Leicester should be looking to achieve and how to get there than Susan Whelan for example.
CosbehFox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Do worry that he is bringing his own staff in aswell as keeping the existing lot around.Personally think it's a good idea in the interim and sees a phase of continuity. Eventually I suspect Shakespeare and sadly Walsh will go.A lot of stuff I agree with Ranieri. Improvement would be great, 3 signings good idea. Let's await and see whether it comes off.
Guest ttfn Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Ranieri is absolutely smashing it so far. Obviously we still need to see if he can walk the walk but so many managers fail because they try to change too much too soon.
Wymsey Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I admit I haven't seen much of him in the press, before he came here. He's only been here a few weeks, without any obvious pressure, but he seems a decent man who won't 'lose it' and have a go at others (ala Pearson).
Legend_in_blue Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I don't get this short term quick fix argument. Can't see where this is coming from at all. He hasn't said anything wrong for me. He has it spot on so far.
les-tah Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Good comments RE: Cambiasso. Interested to see who he'll line up to replace him if he turns us down. His words exactly "we don't start the season without a player like Esteban" Well look forward to the huge signing to replace him
EGBFitness Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Have you ever spoken to someone who isn't English and doesn't have a complete grasp of the language? Are you aware that people who aren't English, who don't speak English day in day out can have problems expressing themselves in the manner they wish to. Are you aware that sometimes the meanings get lost in translation? Why am I even explaining this to you!!!! He was at Chelsea for years, his language clearly improved over time. But again quite clearly if you've actually bothered to listen to him speak he's not fluent and struggles to find the words to express exactly what he means. See point above. Again I hate to break it to you, but yes it is. I can only suggest you look up the definition of improvement as we're facing an uphill battle here. What exactly are you expecting then? And again i feel the need to point out you shouldn't be taking it as gospel that he literally just wants one more point that last year and that is it. Most clubs in the league spend that amount of money each summer, if not more. It's not going to propel you up the league when most clubs are doing exactly the same. I have to say you really are hard work, rather than probably reading a whole post you decide to pick parts that you wish to reply too. Granted, 1 point is 'progress' to last seasons total but the point you keep missing is over a 38 game season is this really seen as progress? I would expect city to have the same total as last season with the same squad we had last season, although we were poor for large parts of the season we was also very unfortunate with some results. I'm not insisting that we should be challenging for Europe or the premier league but with a 'world class' manager and already signing one of the top goalscorers in the bundesliga, a solid CB who made a massive impact when arrived on Loan and an international captain in a position we was vulnerable in last season we should be aiming for more than 1 point this season - that is without potentially Cambiasso resigning and being linked with some of the best CM's in the French league. Yes money doesn't buy success and there will be clubs that will spend the same and more than what we may end up spending this season but surely the owners would not be willing in invest in the squad as they have so far for a point better total than last season. I'm not taking the 1 point better comment too serious with hearing the question given too him and hearing the full interview as journalists have a tendency to play with words and make a message come across to the listener but if that is his objective I think it is a poor message to send out for a first interview. I'm not expecting him to say he will win the league next year etc but maybe bit more detail of where they are aiming etc? Yes his English isn't great but I'm sure with being a football manager and even with little knowledge of the English language a simple question of what is your target for next season won't come across too difficult or being translated different because he is a foreign manager. Like I said until I hear the full interview with questions given etc i will judge more but feel as a first interview you should be added enthusiasm to a club not mediocre. And before you maybe try and twist in some way I'm not hating on CR and welcomed his arrival, I am not judging what he is like as manager of LCFC until I see team performances/results
budfox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 The key word in there is upheaval, after the summer we have had another 14th place and 41 points would be excellent, we are not going for a Sven style quick fix, we have added a lot of experience and know how to work with our existing set up, we haven't started throwing money around we have brought in someone whose last club job was getting newly promoted Monaco to second in the league, and not overseeing the biggest farce in English Football at Notts County and getting paid 1 million in the process. Stop comparing this to Sven, there is no evidence this is anything like Sven's regime. We have attracted Ranieri on the back of an incredible season in the Prem giving him an established and settled team to take over and not by throwing a load of money at someone to take over a struggling disjointed side at the bottom of the championship. This is not Sven mark II and anyone who can draw any parallels, is doing so purely because he is experienced and foreign, at the moment that is the only comparison. Good post , and something similar to what I was going to post.
RowlattsFox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Lose the first couple of games and I can see a deadline day panic. For now though, he's doing the right things.
Itsthejoeker Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 His words exactly "we don't start the season without a player like Esteban" Well look forward to the huge signing to replace him If he doesn't sign I think this will be very much the case, a massively experienced midfielder/defender with the report Cambiasso had.
Babylon Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 I have to say you really are hard work, rather than probably reading a whole post you decide to pick parts that you wish to reply too. You wrote 5 paragraphs, I replied to all 5. Did me splitting it up confuse you? As for me being hard work, I'm not the one having a hard time grasping what he meant and jumping down his throat about it. Granted, 1 point is 'progress' to last seasons total but the point you keep missing is over a 38 game season is this really seen as progress? I would expect city to have the same total as last season with the same squad we had last season, although we were poor for large parts of the season we was also very unfortunate with some results. Errrrr yes. It's progress in terms of points won. But we could win 5 more points than last year and still finish lower... is that progress? The points total is actually irrelevant, your position in the table though isn't. As for the second part, just because we buy a couple of players doesn't mean we should now jump up the table. Everyone else is doing exactly the same thing. I'm not insisting that we should be challenging for Europe or the premier league but with a 'world class' manager and already signing one of the top goalscorers in the bundesliga, a solid CB who made a massive impact when arrived on Loan and an international captain in a position we was vulnerable in last season we should be aiming for more than 1 point this season - that is without potentially Cambiasso resigning and being linked with some of the best CM's in the French league. Yes money doesn't buy success and there will be clubs that will spend the same and more than what we may end up spending this season but surely the owners would not be willing in invest in the squad as they have so far for a point better total than last season. Very nice, but you are again hanging your hat on the fact you have taken him literally and misunderstood the point he was trying to make. I'm not taking the 1 point better comment too serious with hearing the question given too him and hearing the full interview as journalists have a tendency to play with words and make a message come across to the listener but if that is his objective I think it is a poor message to send out for a first interview. I'm not expecting him to say he will win the league next year etc but maybe bit more detail of where they are aiming etc? Well stop going on about it then. He's probably better off not doing interviews, because if people like you cannot grasp the fact what he says might not be the literal translation of what he means then god help the bloke. An ounce of common sense on your part and actually reading his comment you'd have a good idea of what he's getting at. I'll try and help again... he wants to improve on last season. Yes his English isn't great but I'm sure with being a football manager and even with little knowledge of the English language a simple question of what is your target for next season won't come across too difficult or being translated different because he is a foreign manager. You don't get it do you Like I said until I hear the full interview with questions given etc i will judge more but feel as a first interview you should be added enthusiasm to a club not mediocre. I think the problem here is you and not him, if your "enthusiasm" has somehow been effected by that interview.
Babylon Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Just for EGB: "Our goal is to have a strong foundation. That is very important, to save the team and improve and then slowly to go above the position we are in now." "The target is to maintain the team improvement and to build a solid base, to start to approach the Europa fight."
Richmondfox Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 I listened to the Radio Leicester podcast this morning. I'm not sure if Stringer is a complete disabled, desperately trying to be controversial/anti hero, unprofessional or just not very good at his job. He played clips from the press conference where answers were given that explained why they couldn't go into more detail (Pearson sacking), first question from him he asks about it but mentions for the fans. The Cambiasso situation was explained, so of course he asked about it again. Just for EGB: "Our goal is to have a strong foundation. That is very important, to save the team and improve and then slowly to go above the position we are in now." "The target is to maintain the team improvement and to build a solid base, to start to approach the Europa fight." Hopefully we don't miss out by the 1 point.
Ricey Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 I listened to the Radio Leicester podcast this morning. I'm not sure if Stringer is a complete disabled, desperately trying to be controversial/anti hero, unprofessional or just not very good at his job. He played clips from the press conference where answers were given that explained why they couldn't go into more detail (Pearson sacking), first question from him he asks about it but mentions for the fans. The Cambiasso situation was explained, so of course he asked about it again. Hopefully we don't miss out by the 1 point. Ranieri was totally baffled by Stringer's questioning style, which insists of going off in tangents and asking about 4 questions at once.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 imagine if the players inform him of the boycott and he begins to partake as well
Thracian Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 I don't give a toss about the details of Pearson's sacking - as others have said he was forever walking a tightrope. Nor do I much give a damn about management soundbites. I just want to see two or three impressive signings instead of endless social media rumours and signs that we are continuing to build a side that is realistically competitive. Other club's are already concluding important business but there's every indication, like last year, that we are trailing in their wake because of the Pearson nightmare. Let's get on with it people. All the targets should theoretically be known. Rudkin is finding time to appear in publicity pictures. But it's the football that counts and getting on with some solid preparation for the new season and getting some names on paper. So let's get on with it. I want to hear about deeds done not theory about if, but and maybe.
Thracian Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Pearson and Ranieri might find something in common with regards to Stringer. He really can be bloody annoying.
artursteppe Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 I don't give a toss about the details of Pearson's sacking - as others have said he was forever walking a tightrope. Nor do I much give a damn about management soundbites. I just want to see two or three impressive signings instead of endless social media rumours and signs that we are continuing to build a side that is realistically competitive. Other club's are already concluding important business but there's every indication, like last year, that we are trailing in their wake because of the Pearson nightmare. Let's get on with it people. All the targets should theoretically be known. Rudkin is finding time to appear in publicity pictures. But it's the football that counts and getting on with some solid preparation for the new season and getting some names on paper. So let's get on with it. I want to hear about deeds done not theory about if, but and maybe. I think you will find that a lot of the delays in procuring new players is to do with the confusion of which specific skill sets are needed, until we know whether Cambiasso returns or not, and of course the money involved. For example to replace Cambiasso with an equivalent player who is also a leader would probably cost about £10M or so. Money that could be utilised elsewhere if Cambiasso stays. This would mean for example: if we have a sum of £20M to spend on a procurement of three players, that would be an average of £7M each if Cambiasso does not come back, or an average of £10M each for two players with Cambiasso returning. Simple really.
Max Power Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Tears of joy if Ranieri stops taking to Stringer as well, the man is insufferable. I fear Claudio is too nice and professional for that though.
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