Kramaric

[Babylon]

the same way nigel saw albrighton every day in training, sometimes managers get it wrong.

 

How do you know he was wrong, how do you know that he had to leave him out to get his attitude sorted, or his effort, or something else? For all you know it could have been leaving him out that installed what he needed to break into the team.

 

We don't know what goes on.

[Babylon]

i'd like to see him get a run of 7 or 8 games playing at least an hour from the start, then i'll criticise him. until then I think we're wasting him in favour of okazaki.

So you'd need to see him to form an opinion that's negative of him. But you're fine to have a positive one of him, without seeing him. Riiiiiight.

[MooseBreath]

If Krama has had more minutes on the pitch than Oka I'd be slightly surprised.

According to fantasy football Kramaric is on 590 minutes while Okazaki is on 553, league games only.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

End of the day, I'd like to see him do well here but not to the detriment of the team. Imagine the scene, we start him in place of SJ on Saturday ahead of Ulloa who is apparently out. final minute and he gets one on one to win the game, and fvcks it up. Are we going to say "oh but it's OK he's low on confidence and we need to play him to get him back to his best". Somehow I think not.

 

We can't carry players for any length of time at this level on the of chance that they'll come good, hence why the Swiss international captain is sat on the bench and can't get a sniff. 

 

Once CR is 100% that he'll add the the team and take the majority of the chances he's given, put him in. Until then, we can't risk him imo. 

[Jimmy]

 

Once CR is 100% that he'll add the the team and take the majority of the chances he's given, put him in. Until then, we can't risk him imo. 

that's the same argument people have for playing young players, they lack experience, well how do they get it if you won't play them? It's the same for Kramaric, unless he plays a run of games and knows he'll get them how can he build the confidence up to get the games?

 

It'd probably take an injury for it to happen sadly, but that's exactly why he SHOULD be getting 15-20 mins sub appearances in the league, he's had 1 cameo versus Arsenal, he'll never get confidence doing that.

 

And before people mention the cup games its hard to judge someone playing in what is essentially a reserve team, some players just can't switch it on for the 2nd 11 in the same way they can in the first team

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

According to fantasy football Kramaric is on 590 minutes while Okazaki is on 553, league games only.

 

Fair enough but considering he was here for half a year last season and played the majority of those minutes as a lone striker during our most negative period of the season hard to say he's really been given more opportunity, while Okazaki has played all of his in a team absolutely flying.

[glen parva fox]

He needs to score a hat trick against the Dull then maybe Claudio will give him a go.

[fuchsntf]

Consider this....

If city had been ahead at half time, or werent just turning up the heat after the 60th minute in many games, and were

reasonably comfortable, both Ulloa and Kramaric might of had even more game time.

There has never been a situation this seasons last 6 games where you would have subbed Vardy.

Okaziki after his full blooded running around, and challenges (crunchies more than Vardy).Vardy is the goal getter.

So its either Ulloa or Kramaric, maybe dodoo, to run next to Vardy.

It seems Mahrez will interchange, between 1st choice and impact sub, Ranieri confirming the 2 have spoken on this, and Mahrez has accepted its not a dropping issue.

Now we need to get Kramaric somehow into that still needed part of the family understanding..

With Ulloa out, I myself would now promise Kramaric he will come off the bench, this weekend.

[Filbert_Ross]

He's only on loan from Chelsea anyway isn't he?

[Countryfox]

that's the same argument people have for playing young players, they lack experience, well how do they get it if you won't play them? It's the same for Kramaric, unless he plays a run of games and knows he'll get them how can he build the confidence up to get the games?

 

It'd probably take an injury for it to happen sadly, but that's exactly why he SHOULD be getting 15-20 mins sub appearances in the league, he's had 1 cameo versus Arsenal, he'll never get confidence doing that.

 

And before people mention the cup games its hard to judge someone playing in what is essentially a reserve team, some players just can't switch it on for the 2nd 11 in the same way they can in the first team

 

 

Not really.  CR sees him every day at training and that plays a big part of his assessment as to when someone is ready.

[Simo86]

Consider this....

If city had been ahead at half time, or werent just turning up the heat after the 60th minute in many games, and were

reasonably comfortable, both Ulloa and Kramaric might of had even more game time.

There has never been a situation this seasons last 6 games where you would have subbed Vardy.

Okaziki after his full blooded running around, and challenges (crunchies more than Vardy).Vardy is the goal getter.

So its either Ulloa or Kramaric, maybe dodoo, to run next to Vardy.

It seems Mahrez will interchange, between 1st choice and impact sub, Ranieri confirming the 2 have spoken on this, and Mahrez has accepted its not a dropping issue.

Now we need to get Kramaric somehow into that still needed part of the family understanding..

With Ulloa out, I myself would now promise Kramaric he will come off the bench, this weekend.

You can't promise someone they'll get game time off the bench! The manager makes substitutions to change the game or replace under performing players. You can't guarantee someone that they will come on before a ball is even kicked

[Tiny earl]

Not really.  CR sees him every day at training and that plays a big part of his assessment as to when someone is ready.

You can't promise someone they'll get game time off the bench! The manager makes substitutions to change the game or replace under performing players. You can't guarantee someone that they will come on before a ball is even kicked

Why isn't he getting a chance?

These two posts are all you need to read.

Spot on

[Sol thewall Bamba]

that's the same argument people have for playing young players, they lack experience, well how do they get it if you won't play them? It's the same for Kramaric, unless he plays a run of games and knows he'll get them how can he build the confidence up to get the games?

But reverting back to my first point, is it worth squandering chances and potentially points to build his confidence? It's a chicken and egg situation really. 

[M0901]

I've read that Ulloa won't be playing on Saturday (knock) on the LCFC website

 

Perhaps Kram warrants a place on the bench? Would have thought so...

[Jimmy]

But reverting back to my first point, is it worth squandering chances and potentially points to build his confidence? It's a chicken and egg situation really. 

well no one is saying drop Vardy, they are saying play him with Vardy

[EGBFitness]

Are we still arguing about this?

The fact is the lad has not delivered unfortunately, he has looked a little naive, lack of confidence and uninterested when playing with some questionable decisions especially for a player who was the most lethal striker in Europe.

He has played at a very poor standard in Croatia (no offence to the Croatian league but it is a league 1/2 standard over here) and he clearly isn't ready for the premier league.

His decision to publicly announce his displeasure being on the bench and question CR is a little worrying and clearly shows he thinks he is given the squad more impact than everyone else sees.

He has offered very little attacking threat when played wether he has been played upfront alone, with someone or out on the left wing and if you look to when our revival was it was when Kram was on the bench.

2 managers have now decided to bench him rather than use him, so maybe it's a case that he either isn't what we initially thought he would be or just hasn't developed like what we thought he would?

I think for people to say we need to be changing tactics or ensuring he comes on 15/20 mins to gain experience is a little crazy! What we are Currentky doing is clearly working and our results shouldn't be put in jeopardy just to accommodate 1 player. He had 15/20 mins appearances towards the end of last season to and have no impact to the team at all

[brookfox]

I think this comment from the interview with Simpson sums up Kramaric's problem, “The manager wants one and two touch football, he emphasises that and we get the ball forward as quickly as we can because we know we’ve got very fast players.". Firstly he seems to want a third, fourth, fifth touch and he's also not the quickest so just doesn't suit our style.

 

Doesn't make him a bad player and in a different team playing a different way (maybe how Pearson wanted to play) he might thrive but for us now he's a bit of a square peg in a round hole. Unless something changes in the way we play or his style it may be a case of him moving on.

[fuchsntf]

I dont get it..This group of players have just started together, why would we start to push players away.

I can understand Kramarics frustration, he should feel disaponted.

Whatever your point of view, we need him and Ulloa, 2 to 3 injuries and Claudio will be put in another situation.

The dilemma will come, and it wont be just Vardy, we will need strikers , and we need to keep what we have.

Cos we aint going to find Vardy/Mahrez/Schlupp/Albrighton twins or clones.

I expect any manager in the PL to be prepared a n d have a Plan B or C.

I would be tempted against Hull, if fit either Krammi and Ulloa together, but not change the midfield too much.

Or even keep the base of the team intact, with Krammi playing alongside Vardy, Mahrez, Kante DD then Inler.

There is a time, when you dont need to rest all your so called better players.

For the sake of fact finding, you need to plunge your odd fringe players into the pit, but give them some base 1st team

players to support them.

[Thracian]

Kramaric needs to learn from Caludio because if he honestly believes anything less than one or two touch football will be good enough for the Premiership or a European adventure he's a mug. 

 

Individual skills have to be utilised to their best effect and the way to do that is to deliver them from within a one or two touch framework. It retains the element of surprise, keeps defenders in two minds and allows the team to fit in more easily around you.

 

Knockaert was an example of a good guy who failed to step up in this way. He kept running down blind alleys, getting caught in possession and leaving team-mates unsure whether they should support him and risk being caught out of position or just stay solid and let him get on with it whatever.

 

Mahrez presents the same problems, particularly on the wings where his individualism can leave the team exposed. In the middle, as a support striker the risk is perhaps not so great but the difference is that Mahrez tends to take people a little closer to goal than Knockaert - and with greater effect - but leaving at least a little more opportunity for recovery if he's caught out.  

 

If Kramaric has the maturity to change he can still be a success but right now he's not much more than a player with immense potential who needs first-hand coaching on the ruthless realisation of those abilities -  and a willingness to learn. 

 

Premiership football is nothing if not intense and he needs to adapt to that. It's not a stroll in the sunshine where defenders sit off and admire your footwork. 

[polarbear]

Agree and disagree with the below

Agree that like knocky and mahrez he needs to know when to move the ball on quickly and only take one or two touches

Disagree in the sense as we saw against arsenal last year he could hold the ball well on his own, relieve the pressure on our defence and hit first time instinctive shots. Against West ham this year knowing when to spin the defender and race away from him (he didn't look as slow as everyone here suggests) the less said about the eventual finish the better

I think he will have a significant part to play this season, at some point vardy's form will go or the high press game may stop working. Claudios utilised the high press and momentum from last year to great effect. I think the back of his mind though he knows it won't last forever and the style may need to be tweaked. That's where inler benny king and krammy may come to the fore..

Kramaric has all the technical tools in the locker it's down to him to make the most of it

Kramaric needs to learn from Caludio because if he honestly believes anything less than one or two touch football will be good enough for the Premiership or a European adventure he's a mug.

Individual skills have to be utilised to their best effect and the way to do that is to deliver them from within a one or two touch framework. It retains the element of surprise, keeps defenders in two minds and allows the team to fit in more easily around you.

Knockaert was an example of a good guy who failed to step up in this way. He kept running down blind alleys, getting caught in possession and leaving team-mates unsure whether they should support him and risk being caught out of position or just stay solid and let him get on with it whatever.

Mahrez presents the same problems, particularly on the wings where his individualism can leave the team exposed. In the middle, as a support striker the risk is perhaps not so great but the difference is that Mahrez tends to take people a little closer to goal than Knockaert - and with greater effect - but leaving at least a little more opportunity for recovery if he's caught out.

If Kramaric has the maturity to change he can still be a success but right now he's not much more than a player with immense potential who needs first-hand coaching on the ruthless realisation of those abilities - and a willingness to learn.

Premiership football is nothing if not intense and he needs to adapt to that. It's not a stroll in the sunshine where defenders sit off and admire your footwork.

[Guest]

So Krammy is on the bench. Can the doomsayers who spray the crap that CR doesn't rate him etc... now STFU?

[Countryfox]

So Krammy is on the bench. Can the doomsayers who spray the crap that CR doesn't rate him etc... now STFU?

 

 .....  and thats where he stayed.     Lets wait for the Hull match for the next instalment in the 'KrammySaga'  ... 

[Frost]

Will be amazed if he doesn't move on in January. At his age and with the Euros around the corner he really needs to be playing first team football. I guess he'll go out on loan (as long as we sign a replacement). Really can't see him getting a chance here.

[Countryfox]

Will be amazed if he doesn't move on in January. At his age and with the Euros around the corner he really needs to be playing first team football. I guess he'll go out on loan (as long as we sign a replacement). Really can't see him getting a chance here.

 

Lets wait for the Hull match for the next instalment in the 'KrammySaga' .........     zzzzzzzzz

[Jimmy]

Lets wait for the Hull match for the next instalment in the 'KrammySaga' .........     zzzzzzzzz

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