Labour MP shot

[Alf Bentley]

It's increasingly sounding as if the presumed killer was suffering from mental health problems.

 

Was just watching C4 News and they interviewed neighbours of the bloke arrested. They described an inoffensive, even helpful bloke who enjoyed gardening. 

But there were also quotes about his saying that gardening was good therapy for mental health issues etc.

 

Presumably he got unwell, saw or heard stuff about his local MP and maybe about politics, got some mad ideas in his head - and did what he did.

 

The tributes for Jo Cox from all sides sounded very genuine. I got the impression that she was highly thought of, all round, and that it wasn't just people "saying the polite thing".

 

I'll be glad if it does turn out to be just an isolated, disturbed individual. Better for our democracy than it being a planned, organised terrorist act. Still utterly tragic, and upsetting, though.

[Jon the Hat]

Horrible news, poor lady. Thoughts with her husband and little girls. RIP

[StanSP]

It's increasingly sounding as if the presumed killer was suffering from mental health problems.

 

Was just watching C4 News and they interviewed neighbours of the bloke arrested. They described an inoffensive, even helpful bloke who enjoyed gardening. 

But there were also quotes about his saying that gardening was good therapy for mental health issues etc.

 

Presumably he got unwell, saw or heard stuff about his local MP and maybe about politics, got some mad ideas in his head - and did what he did.

 

The tributes for Jo Cox from all sides sounded very genuine. I got the impression that she was highly thought of, all round, and that it wasn't just people "saying the polite thing".

 

I'll be glad if it does turn out to be just an isolated, disturbed individual. Better for our democracy than it being a planned, organised terrorist act. Still utterly tragic, and upsetting, though.

 

from the sounds of it, it doesn't sound that organised.

 

Questions will be asked why he was carrying a gun and a knife around. He must have had some intent to cause harm to someone. Apparently Cox interrupted an argument between the killer and another man, then he brought out a gun, shot her once. Leaned over her and shot her in the face and got a knife out then stabbed her numerous times. Perhaps she wasn't the intended victim, which to me makes it even more unfortunate that she was just trying to stop an argument and ended up dying

[MPH]

Now of course you can not blame the whole of the Britains first for this no matter how awful i find them all... but what did the sicko thing he was going to achieve? 

 

" oh yeah now she's been attacked we'll all vote for OUT now"

 

 

No, you thick idiot, if anything its going to galvanize people who are 'IN' sympathizers to actually get up and vote in her memory.....

[Strokes]

 

No, you thick idiot, if anything its going to galvanize people who are 'IN' sympathizers to actually get up and vote in her memory.....

Hopefully that wasn't the intention.

I think by the sounds of this it was completely lone incident, how someone with mental health issues gets hold of a gun in this country, God alone knows.

[Webbo]

Hopefully that wasn't the intention.

I think by the sounds of this it was completely lone incident, how someone with mental health issues gets hold of a gun in this country, God alone knows.

I thought I heard it was a home made gun.

[StanSP]

Hopefully that wasn't the intention.

I think by the sounds of this it was completely lone incident, how someone with mental health issues gets hold of a gun in this country, God alone knows.

 

has it been confirmed he had mental health issues?

 

I thought I heard it was a home made gun.

 

'old-fashioned' is what I've heard.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Now of course you can not blame the whole of the Britains first for this no matter how awful i find them all... but what did the sicko thing he was going to achieve?

" oh yeah now she's been attacked we'll all vote for OUT now"

No, you thick idiot, if anything its going to galvanize people who are 'IN' sympathizers to actually get up and vote in her memory.....

I think it's too early to make assumptions on the little information we have.

As more snippets have come out, not all the dots seem to connect right now, so perhaps best to reserve judgement.

[bovril]

Now of course you can not blame the whole of the Britains first for this no matter how awful i find them all... but what did the sicko thing he was going to achieve? 

 

" oh yeah now she's been attacked we'll all vote for OUT now"

 

 

No, you thick idiot, if anything its going to galvanize people who are 'IN' sympathizers to actually get up and vote in her memory.....

 

I completely agree with you. I sincerely hope nobody tries to use this incident in any way. But British politics has turned needlessly ugly rather quickly.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Very sad, shouldn't have happened.

Not sure how it's terrorism though. Terrorism is used to spread fear amongst a country or people with a common belief/goal, that if they continue on their path, others will suffer the same. It creates terror because people don't know who will be next. Hence the name.

This is someone who was mad, bad or both, acting alone. It's terrible, but will anyone really be afraid that other people campaigning for the remain vote will be targeted?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I completely agree with you. I sincerely hope nobody tries to use this incident in any way. But British politics has turned needlessly ugly rather quickly.

Some disgusting people were quick to suggest a 'false flag' - it was the 3rd 'suggestion' attached to her name on Twitter very shortly after the news broke.

[Trav Le Bleu]

I completely agree with you. I sincerely hope nobody tries to use this incident in any way. But British politics has turned needlessly ugly rather quickly.

With both sides claiming that if we vote the other way we're going to Hell in a handcart, and stoking people's paranoia and fear, maybe they'll turn it down a notch or two and concentrate on realities.

Doubt it though.

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

This is a really quiet very small 'town' just outside Bradford where everybody seems to know each other.

 

I paid a visit a few weeks ago when passing out of curiosity because of its name.

 

Really is an off the beaten track tumbleweed sort of place, that most shops had their shutters up (not helped by a Tescos hidden in the back of an old building/ dance hall opposite the library)

 

This guy seems to be a bit of a loner who has a chip that has been fueled it would seem by some of the extreme nonsense that has been spouted whilst chasing votes.

 

There is a good bit of racism in that part of the world, I noticed several large posters of Asian candidates for a local election that seemed odd in a place where time (other than tescos) had stood still.

 

This would again fuel his Britain first or however he said it.

[StanSP]

Very sad, shouldn't have happened.

Not sure how it's terrorism though. Terrorism is used to spread fear amongst a country or people with a common belief/goal, that if they continue on their path, others will suffer the same. It creates terror because people don't know who will be next. Hence the name.

This is someone who was mad, bad or both, acting alone. It's terrible, but will anyone really be afraid that other people campaigning for the remain vote will be targeted?

 

don't think you can use any campaigning stance when we don't know if the killer was politically motivated. Yes, she was Labour MP who backed the remain vote in the referendum, but so far there's been no link to say that he killed her because of that. 

 

So i don't think it's being afraid that other people voting remain will be targeted, it's being afraid that there are some people out there, with guns and knives, willing to use them when they feel threatened and on innocent people who have posed them no harm. 

[Guest MattP]

Anyone using this death for political gain is an absolute disgrace, I've already seen people on Twitter saying she was killed because she supported the EU and another saying she was killed in revenge for child grooming, these people are sick.

As DJ Barry has said let's wait until the facts come out before we claim or blame things in views, reasons or groups for this.

I do hope it's a lone nutter, because politically motivated killings is the last thing our country needs right now.

[Jon the Hat]

The guy has a history of mental illness so perhaps we should put aside any idea of political motivation that isn't wrong.

[Wymsey]

Rather not speculate about whether mental disorders are actually linked with such motives, but just strong and different views from everyone else that took a turn for the worst.

[Rincewind]

This was on the radio in the taxi on the radio. Never mentioned her name until the end. Even a Tory MP praised the work she did and how she sought his help when first elected. She apparently campaigned for refugees etc as well as things in her constituency which was the place where she was raised and lived.

TBH I am sure they said she was a Tory before I got out the taxi.. She seemed to be a good MP who actually was passionate about helping people  I have not read the reports yet but what a senseless cowardly act. From what was being said she was well respected from all sides of the HOC for the work that she did.

They also mentioned security but the MP who they spoke to said it had already been tightened up and was available but something like this should not stop MP's speaking out and doing their job.

[Steven]

Thoughts and condolences with and for her husband, children and other family.

[Rincewind]

Thought her husband's statement was good.

[ramboacdc]

The guy has a history of mental illness so perhaps we should put aside any idea of political motivation that isn't wrong.

Mental illness......Britain first member......

[what?]

I have a history of mental health problems. If I went out this afternoon and killed a politician undoubtably, the media would blame it on that. We need to be extremely careful not to reduce this man to a condition and use that as an excuse to not examine the wider motivating factors in this. Obviously we don't often get this kind of crime in the uk but you see this narrative being pushed time and time again in the states. If the shooter is white and it's politically uncomfortable to talk about their motivations, then blaming everything on metal health issues is an easy get out. The question becomes 'how could we have allowed someone like this to get a gun' rather than 'In what way might we have influenced this man in his decision to carry out such an awful crime.' I'm not saying that this guys mental state might not have played a part in this but claiming it as the primary factor is really dangerous and we need to be careful with that kind of rhetoric. 

[purpleronnie]

Pretty devastating, didn't sleep that well just thought of her kids. 

 

An MP who was open and caring who tried to help people in need in her own constituency and throughout the world has been taken away by someone full of hate.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Horrible situation, but the need of people to make sense of something pushes people to speculation. Now there is certainly a lot of that about, but I thought I'd highlight some fragments that haven't been as keenly reported, but are interesting nethertheless.

1.) His mum re-married a black man with a son of his own, when Mair was 16.

That is a difficult age for someone to take something like that in and could have lead to some hidden resentment - and when you consider this would have happened around the late 1970's the type of place Yorkshire was like at that time (and Mair's Scottish heritage), it must have been a very confusing time for him.

Although the brothers have initially insisted there was "no problem" between the family, if he was someone who kept things to himself, these problems wouldn't be directly heard or seen, but could manifest themselves in mental health issues. It's also been widely reported he had lived with his Grandmother as opposed to his mother - so maybe there was tensions within the family unit at that time?

2.) It's been reported via the family he had an obsession with "keeping clean" to the extent he'd scrub his skin with Brillo pads until it was red raw. Yet when you think of those actions in the current context and with some of the things being suggested, it doesn't take much to come to another theory at to why he may have been so obsessed with this act.

There is clearly more to this sorry case of events to come, but I thought these might be interesting thinking points, even if they are essentially speculation.

[Fox92]

Mental illness......Britain first member......

 

Was going to say that same thing.

 

Dunno why people bring mental illness up as soon as someone is killed. The guy was a member of a political group, he was probably radicalised.

 

When IS kill people they are correctly branded terrorists, and this guy is exactly the same.