Snipers kill several police officers in Dallas

[MC Prussian]

News report five dead police officers now, six more remain in hospital with (serious) injuries. One innocent bystander was also hit.

 

Three suspects have been arrested. Another suspect who hid in a garage, issuing bomb threats, has been "neutralized" by the police. No explosives were found.

[ScouseFox]

That police officer executing that innocent black guy was pretty fvcked up wasn't it.

which one? happens daily doesn't it.

if they're legit fighting fire with fire then they're all gonna die, though.

[leicsmac]

That's a rambling shit post actually that's far too simplistic, I'll give you my thoughts on it this weekend or early next week.

 

Not at all. It was an interesting take but if you want to elaborate more another time that would be great.

[purpleronnie]

Hate to simplify all this but in a nation of 350+ million there will be racist cops, and plenty of people who are nutty enough to target any cop because of it.

 

Divisions will always be evident in America, infact they're evident in every country...not always for the same reasons.  But Americans given the size of the population and access to guns is always likely to throw up these incidents every now and again. 

 

It may sound a like a superficial reason but it really is true.

[The Horse's Mouth]

genuinely cant think of anything harder than being a cop in the US.

[ScouseFox]

genuinely cant think of anything harder than being a cop in the US.

 

being a black person in the US for a start 

[AKCJ]

being a black person in the US for a start 

 

[Guest MattP]

Not at all. It was an interesting take but if you want to elaborate more another time that would be great.

 

I will do next week.

 

I think we should make sure we get facts into the open on this, in 2016 there have been 509 people were killed by police officers and 163 of them were black, 53 officers in that time have also died in the line of duty, there is clearly a huge problem but the way some people seem to be likening the Police Force to the Ku Klux Klan isn't going to help.

 

The real scandal is the number of people being killed by the police, that many in little over half a year is staggering.

[Babylon]

genuinely cant think of anything harder than being a cop in the US.

The police are a massive issue here, no matter how hard their job is. Far too many incidents that could and should have been handled differently.

 

Their training has got to be looked at, the first port of call when dealing with an unarmed person, or someone just not doing what you ask should not be drawing your weapon. I'm sure they must have tasers and pepper spray, there are non lethal ways of incapacitating people. You don't have to go straight to lethal.

 

I don't think these incidents happen because cops don't like black people, or mexicans or whoever it is. It happens out of poor training and fear, I can understand the fear. In a country full of people with guns it's got to be scary as hell.

 

The black to white gun crime stats are there for all to see, they know they are probably 2 or 3 times more likely to have a young black man pull a gun on you than you are anyone else. The black community needs to look at their own issues as well, because they will contribute to the fear, but that's just a small part of it.

 

Lack of integration, the media, tv, films, music, the portrail of young black men and the glamour surrounding violence. Lots of little things all coming together to mean white cop from suburbia, is fearful of some young black guy who dresses a certain way, drives a certain car, talks a different way.

 

It will take generations to sort out the fear side of it, no excuse on the training side.

[purpleronnie]

I will do next week.

 

I think we should make sure we get facts into the open on this, in 2016 there have been 509 people were killed by police officers and 163 of them were black, 53 officers in that time have also died in the line of duty, there is clearly a huge problem but the way some people seem to be likening the Police Force to the Ku Klux Klan isn't going to help.

 

The real scandal is the number of people being killed by the police, that many in little over half a year is staggering.

Given that black americans make up around 14% of the population then that's still a high percentage of black american deaths.  Of course when you are dealing with those statistics they only become relevant when you consider the circumstances of each death.

[Samilktray]

My man was restrained on the floor and had about 6 bullets pumped into him from point blank range. Absolutely nuts how they go about things over there

[Babylon]

My man was restrained on the floor and had about 6 bullets pumped into him from point blank range. Absolutely nuts how they go about things over there

There was one I saw this morning.

 

Cops knock on the door, some old lady trots out the house, she looked like she'd called them about her son who was bi-polar and schizophrenic, she told them he was as she left the house, she seemed calm. The guy wandered out behind her holding a screw driver, seems fairly chilled. Cops ask him to drop the screwdriver and then shoot him within the space of a couple of seconds.

 

Cops in this country manage to subdue machete wielding maniacs with pepper spray and batons. I'm sure two cops could do the same over there, to someone with a blooming screw driver.

[Finnegan]

I do wonder what checks / training you have to go through to be a gun toting cop in the states.

Particularly in more rural communities where there's only about twelve people and a goat and SOMEONE has to be the sheriff.

[Wymsey]

Very sad and quite shockingly surprising.

This must be pushing for harsher US gun laws now? (Only a fee weeks after the nightclub terror)

[Larry_LCFC]

Cretinous behaviour. The videos of the 2 guys being shot by police look pretty bad, but we don't know the full facts or the circumstances around them. We only see what people want us to see. If the police are found to be guilty of whatever, then punish them.

For these idiots to come out today and take revenge on innocent police officers by shooting them in cold blood, it just makes me sick. Nobody should go to work and not come home. It makes a mockery of the message that the protesters stand for. "Black lives matter", so lets kill white police? America is seriously ****ed up.

[MC Prussian]

Cretinous behaviour. The videos of the 2 guys being shot by police look pretty bad, but we don't know the full facts or the circumstances around them. We only see what people want us to see. If the police are found to be guilty of whatever, then punish them.

For these idiots to come out today and take revenge on innocent police officers by shooting them in cold blood, it just makes me sick. Nobody should go to work and not come home. It makes a mockery of the message that the protesters stand for. "Black lives matter", so lets kill white police? America is seriously ****ed up.

As previously stated, it hasn't been proven that the shooting was an act of retaliation or a direct reaction to the recent two publized murders. Let's wait and see what the police and media have to say.

[Smudge]

Many of you seem to be taking about the United States as capable of administering (including training) law enforcement from one hierarchy.

 

The only Federal administered law enforcement is done by the FBI the DEA, the ATF, Homeland Security and US Customs Border Patrol. All other law enforcement comes from : -

• The State Police, Highway Patrol, or State Troopers
• The County Sheriff's Departments of which there are thousands.
• The City Police Departments 
• Airport police, Railway police
• University and College Police
• Hospital Police
• Port of Authority Police
• Capitol Police
• Then a plethora of small municipalities that may have a small police department

On top of that there are private security companies.

 

All of these administered by thousands of state and local governments.

 

All of them are armed with rapid firing weapons. I have no hope that anything will change. 

 

Having said that, I have lived here since 1987 and have never seen or even heard a shooting other than at a range. Then again I don't walk around the likes of South Boston at night.

[Parafox]

Are black supremacists any different to white supremacists? It seems the history of the subjugated black American is now becoming a revenge theme in attacks on white authority.

 

Having said that, American authorities in the form of ordinary police officers, don't do any favours in shooting 4 times a black man seated in a car with his girlfriend having told the officer he was licensed to bear arms and he would show him his drivers licence.

 

With that in mind, when he went to his pocket, being black and admitting to having a firearm in his possession, did the officer react by making the immediate association between "black man... firearm... shoot first?"

[Guest Col city fan]

Very sad and quite shockingly surprising.

This must be pushing for harsher US gun laws now? (Only a fee weeks after the nightclub terror)

I'm surprised anyone is surprised.

As for the gun laws...Americans love them old guns....

[Russell sprout]

How can a person carrying a gun be unlawfully killed,the person needs bringing down regardless of race if a law enforcer feels threatened,

I am fed up of this innocent black person bullshit,

They make there bed they lie in it,

It's fact that the majority of gun crime,or any crime is committed by black Americans,yet by saying that I must be racist,yet a black person killing white officers will merely be self defence,or provoked,or whatever you wanna call it,

I know of some white bloke and his girlfriend who were attacked by 4-5 Somali women on a night out in Leicester because they were white,

Yet in court get let off because it was deemed 'out of character' as they were Muslims and black,

Yet if it was the other way round he would be a white racist,it's all double standards,it's the same shit in our own backyard but with knifes instead of guns

[Realist Guy In The Room]

How can a person carrying a gun be unlawfully killed,the person needs bringing down regardless of race if a law enforcer feels threatened,

I am fed up of this innocent black person bullshit,

They make there bed they lie in it,

It's fact that the majority of gun crime,or any crime is committed by black Americans,yet by saying that I must be racist,yet a black person killing white officers will merely be self defence,or provoked,or whatever you wanna call it,

I know of some white bloke and his girlfriend who were attacked by 4-5 Somali women on a night out in Leicester because they were white,

Yet in court get let off because it was deemed 'out of character' as they were Muslims and black,

Yet if it was the other way round he would be a white racist,it's all double standards,it's the same shit in our own backyard but with knifes instead of guns

Be honest, you dont know them you just saw the video on youtube.

[Nick]

How can a person carrying a gun be unlawfully killed,the person needs bringing down regardless of race if a law enforcer feels threatened,

I am fed up of this innocent black person bullshit,

They make there bed they lie in it,

It's fact that the majority of gun crime,or any crime is committed by black Americans,yet by saying that I must be racist,yet a black person killing white officers will merely be self defence,or provoked,or whatever you wanna call it,

I know of some white bloke and his girlfriend who were attacked by 4-5 Somali women on a night out in Leicester because they were white,

Yet in court get let off because it was deemed 'out of character' as they were Muslims and black,

Yet if it was the other way round he would be a white racist,it's all double standards,it's the same shit in our own backyard but with knifes instead of guns

Wow.

[Vardinhio]

America seems too far gone to change now, guns are a way of life. It is probably unfair to compare British police with their style of policing. The first rule must always be to assess the risk and clearly the risk over there is far higher and cops are asked to deal with them 1 on 1 seemingly.

Only a change in law can bring some degree of control but even if imposed it will take the southern states generations to accept.

[Russell sprout]

Be honest, you dont know them you just saw the video on youtube.

If you say so

[ozleicester]

Much as guns are a problem... they arent THE problem.

 

The government and the institionalised abuse of the poor and especially the blacks is the problem, until society stands up and says that a business making billions of dollars of profit off the backs of close to slave labour  is unnaceptable....then there will be problems

 

Until the police's powers are reduced and they are punished for acting beyond the need... there will be problems

 

Unless the major corporations are taxed HEAVILY, forced to pay and that money is spent helping the poor... there will be problems

 

We live in a time when a portion of the is workforce working 40-50-60 hours a week while another portion of society is without a job. This is not neccessary, the billions in profit can be reduced by paying more people, to work less.

 

 

People dont trust the police, dont trust governments and rightly so.... a change is a commmin.