Daniel Amartey

[Wymsey]

He's been quite disappointing, quite agreed, however he just needs to 'man-up' a bit and be willing to do more for the team in terms of wanting to tackle and regain ball possession in his positional area.

He has appeared, like Musa, too timid and respectful towards the opposition many times and this probably shows his lack of general confidence in the team.

Hence just needs to pull his finger out, be more determined and get 'stuck in' more to try and have a more positive impact within the team.

Edited 19 May 2017 by Wymeswold fox

[fleckneymike]

13 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Presumably then we can also write off grey, benalouane and ndidi who were all ineffectual at best. Or perhaps we could acknowledge that last night was an aberration, a patched together and in places experimental team against one of the best sides in the country at the moment.

I think you can write off Benny. Too rash, too weak and too selfish. 

 

My points about Amartey are valid. Over the course of the season he has consistently been found wanting. His distribution is not good enough for a midfielder and his awareness and reading of the game is also very poor. 

 

Im yet to see, in any game, anything from Amartey to indicate sufficient scope for improvement.

[CosbehFox]

Yet again far too easy to slag off a guy who has had no match fitness for three months. 

 

Its hard for a player whose barely played just to switch it on and get into the pace of a Premier League.

 

He didn't play well at all but it's far too easy to slag him off in the circumstance.

[Monsell1976]

9 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said:

He's been quite disappointing, quite agreed, however he just needs to 'man-up' a bit and be willing to do more for the team in terms of wanting to tackle and regain ball possession in his positional area.

He has appeared, like Musa, too timid and respectful towards the opposition many times and this probably shows his lack of general confidence in the team.

Hence just needs to pull his finger out, be more determined and get 'stuck in' more to try and have a more positive impact within the team.

Bit hard on the lad, he's young and not had a look in, and then gets thrown under a bus, by the fact the whole team didn't turn up against a very good spurs side.

I quite like the lad, and when he got a run in the side, he did ok.

That said at his age, I would leave city in a heartbeat, it's an important age for his delevopment, and when he isn't being given game time, I'd be off to a team where I could play every week.

Thats the problem when a manager sticks with his players wether they are in form or not, that's one criticism I have with the management, going all the way back to the start of the season, as long as the first eleven was fit, they played regardless of form.

So the likes of leo, gray, amartey, chilwell, slimani,as much as they are good squad players, I wouldn't hold it against them if they left.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, fleckneymike said:

I think you can write off Benny. Too rash, too weak and too selfish. 

 

My points about Amartey are valid. Over the course of the season he has consistently been found wanting. His distribution is not good enough for a midfielder and his awareness and reading of the game is also very poor. 

 

Im yet to see, in any game, anything from Amartey to indicate sufficient scope for improvement.

Most of the team has been found wanting this season. 4 months ago you'd have said huth, Morgan and Fuchs are past it, and Vardy was a one season wonder. Huth has bounced back to be one of our best performers in the last 3 months, Vardys on 15 for the season, Fuchs is looking the solid, dependable LB we know. He had a couple of good games, a lot of poor ones - just like everyone else, hardly a fair basis to judge when known qualities were underperforming.

 

You didn't watch Swansea at home where he ran the show then, nor Porto at home where most on here agreed he was outstanding? 

[polarbear]

24 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Most of the team has been found wanting this season. 4 months ago you'd have said huth, Morgan and Fuchs are past it, and Vardy was a one season wonder. Huth has bounced back to be one of our best performers in the last 3 months, Vardys on 15 for the season, Fuchs is looking the solid, dependable LB we know. He had a couple of good games, a lot of poor ones - just like everyone else, hardly a fair basis to judge when known qualities were underperforming.

 

You didn't watch Swansea at home where he ran the show then, nor Porto at home where most on here agreed he was outstanding? 

Or man city at home. The talent and aggression  is clearly there it's how we get that sort of performance out of him on a consistent basis 

[fleckneymike]

30 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Most of the team has been found wanting this season. 4 months ago you'd have said huth, Morgan and Fuchs are past it, and Vardy was a one season wonder. Huth has bounced back to be one of our best performers in the last 3 months, Vardys on 15 for the season, Fuchs is looking the solid, dependable LB we know. He had a couple of good games, a lot of poor ones - just like everyone else, hardly a fair basis to judge when known qualities were underperforming.

 

You didn't watch Swansea at home where he ran the show then, nor Porto at home where most on here agreed he was outstanding? 

4 months ago I'd have said no such thing about the players you list. 

 

Over the season Amartey has been underwhelming. I've never seen a glimpse of anything to change my mind. 

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Looks like Bambi on ice to me ... wants too much time on the ball ... you don't get that time in this league

[Thracian]

12 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Yet again far too easy to slag off a guy who has had no match fitness for three months. 

 

Its hard for a player whose barely played just to switch it on and get into the pace of a Premier League.

 

He didn't play well at all but it's far too easy to slag him off in the circumstance.

I've no real sympathy for anyone not being fit to play. As a fringe player opportunities are always around the corner and it's up to him to keep himself ready to be effective. 

 

Besides it didn't look like he was unfit - he was in and around the play all night. He just lacked any urgency and that's always been the case since I first saw  him either ignoring runners or reacting far too late.

 

The idea of shadowing people is not a kind of escort service. It's about waiting for the right moment to pinch the ball. Kante was a master at it but Amartey sits off people  - more as a guy spoiling their view than trying to dispossess them. 

 

At first you do forgive him and presume that he'll learn but it hasn't happened. It might be a confidence or respect thing I suppose but really good players show no outward respect for anyone in an opposition shirt. They see dealing with top performers as an opportunity rather than a threat.     

Edited 20 May 2017 by Thracian

[The Doctor]

16 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

4 months ago I'd have said no such thing about the players you list. 

 

Over the season Amartey has been underwhelming. I've never seen a glimpse of anything to change my mind. 

Then you weren't watching them at the time, nor have you paid attention this season to Amartey. Not seen enough to say he's good enough, fair enough, I'd hold fire though given the circumstances of most of his appearances, but not seen a glimpse? That's either horrific hyperbole or you've not watched chunks of the season.

 

What we've had over the season is the odd good performance, interspersed with a lot of mediocre or worse ones - but am I describing Amartey, or the side as a whole?

Edited 20 May 2017 by The Doctor

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

@Thracian

 

The guy said match fitness - completely different from physical fitness.

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, Thracian said:

I've no real sympathy for anyone not being fit to play. As a fringe player opportunities are always around the corner and it's up to him to keep himself ready to be effective. 

 

Besides it didn't look like he was unfit - he was in and around the play all night. He just lacked any urgency and that's always been the case since I first saw st him either ignoring runners or reacting far too late even when he first arrived.

 

The idea of shadowing people is not a kind of escort service. It's about waiting for the right moment to pinch the ball. Kante was a master at it but Amartey sits off people  - more as a guy spoiling their view than trying to dispossess them. 

 

At first you do forgive him and presume that he'll learn but it hasn't happened. It might be a confidence or respect thing I suppose but really good players show no outward respect for anyone in an opposition shirt. They see dealing with top performers as an opportunity rather than a threat.     

You know as well as anyone fit and 'match fit' are two different things. 

 

King suffers the same criticism. It's bloody hard to try and slot in without any competitive action. 

[foxinsocks]

Look... before afcon he had made good progress and reduced errors and is vocal in talking to team mates. I like his strut.

We know he can get back to this level but of course we need more.  Amarty may or may not suceed..  i think he will.... but its speculation. 

But amarty gives us and him this possibility. He looks like a hard worker and he will put the effort in to go as far as he can.

King will go no further.  Drinky is at the top of his game...when fit. I love james but he is a risk.  Ndidi and amarty offer us possibility. ..  let's support them 

 

Edited 20 May 2017 by foxinsocks

[Thracian]

8 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

You know as well as anyone fit and 'match fit' are two different things. 

 

King suffers the same criticism. It's bloody hard to try and slot in without any competitive action. 

 

Yes, King does and I've mentioned it myself on occasions, but he gets no sympathy from anyone.

 

My main point about Amartey though was that - match fit or any other way fit - he always seems to have this languid style which gets him around but not with any great sense of urgency or impact

 

If he can shadow a man two yards away he can shadow him one yard away and get a foot in.   

 

 

, 

[Col city fan]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

Most of the team has been found wanting this season. 4 months ago you'd have said huth, Morgan and Fuchs are past it, and Vardy was a one season wonder. Huth has bounced back to be one of our best performers in the last 3 months, Vardys on 15 for the season, Fuchs is looking the solid, dependable LB we know. He had a couple of good games, a lot of poor ones - just like everyone else, hardly a fair basis to judge when known qualities were underperforming.

 

You didn't watch Swansea at home where he ran the show then, nor Porto at home where most on here agreed he was outstanding? 

Put your cards on the table...

You said, I believe, that we would be wrong to sack Ranieri? I said we should sack him.

Is Amartey going to be a first-team player for the club for years to come, or is he going to drift off into obscurity?

Or is he going to be happy to be sitting on our bench week-in, week-out as a 'squad player'.

I'm saying he's not good enough. He'll have the odd good game, but that's not enough in the Premiership.

What's your call? Good enough, or not?

I throw the question out to everyone really. Football is a results business, there's little room or time to give players opportunity 'in case' they become good, especially when weve been hammered in as many games as we have this season.

Good enough, or not?

Edited 20 May 2017 by Col city fan

[AKCJ]

We need Amartey to have a number one position (for me it's a defensive midfielder) and loan him to a Championship club that will be one of the favourites for promotion.

 

Give him a full season playing week in week out in winning games in English football and then decide. He's clearly got a lot of very positive attributes and he's still very young. Some players take to English football easily, some take time and when you're as young as Amartey is and when you consider that he's been put in just about every position bar goalkeeper it's no wonder he looks rusty.

 

I personally thought Amartey was one of our better players under Ranieri earlier in the season (not saying much I know). He's got talent. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to work that one out. He needs to work on his footballing brain.

 

Who would have had Lawrence in our side this time last year? He's gone and had a cracking season and now i've seen people say they want him to replace Mahrez.

 

Look at Victor Wanyama (who absolutely ran the show on Thursday). Why can't Amartey be like that given time and effective coaching? Wanyama didn't do anything magical. He played everything simple and effectively and built a platform on which his team mates excelled.

 

It's a shame that so many people are so quick to want to get rid of our young talent without giving them a proper chance. If he came through the academy I think the perception would be very, very different.

Edited 20 May 2017 by AKCJ

[Col city fan]

31 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

We need Amartey to have a number one position (for me it's a defensive midfielder) and loan him to a Championship club that will be one of the favourites for promotion.

 

Give him a full season playing week in week out in winning games in English football and then decide. He's clearly got a lot of very positive attributes and he's still very young. Some players take to English football easily, some take time and when you're as young as Amartey is and when you consider that he's been put in just about every position bar goalkeeper it's no wonder he looks rusty.

 

I personally thought Amartey was one of our better players under Ranieri earlier in the season (not saying much I know). He's got talent. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to work that one out. He needs to work on his footballing brain.

 

Who would have had Lawrence in our side this time last year? He's gone and had a cracking season and now i've seen people say they want him to replace Mahrez.

 

Look at Victor Wanyama (who absolutely ran the show on Thursday). Why can't Amartey be like that given time and effective coaching? Wanyama didn't do anything magical. He played everything simple and effectively and built a platform on which his team mates excelled.

 

It's a shame that so many people are so quick to want to get rid of our young talent without giving them a proper chance. If he came through the academy I think the perception would be very, very different.

Great post that. I actually agree with you 100%

It IS important to pin down a best position and loan him out to a really good Championship Club with whom he can play consistently (in his best position) and have a challenging season, aiming for promotion.

Let me make it clear, cos this is the case...I have no urgency to 'get rid of our young talent'. I always tried to advocate for Jeff, for example. But neither do I enjoy seeing a kid chucked into a team, who looks so out of his depth that it cant be good for his confidence AND for the club when we get mullered!

Yours is a good idea and I agree. Then we could see if he's going to make the grade, or not.

[fleckneymike]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Then you weren't watching them at the time, nor have you paid attention this season to Amartey. Not seen enough to say he's good enough, fair enough, I'd hold fire though given the circumstances of most of his appearances, but not seen a glimpse? That's either horrific hyperbole or you've not watched chunks of the season.

 

What we've had over the season is the odd good performance, interspersed with a lot of mediocre or worse ones - but am I describing Amartey, or the side as a whole?

I've missed 4 games. Non of Amartey's performances have encouraged me to think that he is suited to midfield.

 

The fact Shakespeare doesn't view him as being better than King in CM or Fuchs (a left-back) at CB suggests that rather than being guilty of horrific hyperbole (I assume this was deliberately ironic)  I am just echoing the thoughts of the coaching staff. 

[sm1]

4 hours ago, Thracian said:

I've no real sympathy for anyone not being fit to play. As a fringe player opportunities are always around the corner and it's up to him to keep himself ready to be effective. 

 

Besides it didn't look like he was unfit - he was in and around the play all night. He just lacked any urgency and that's always been the case since I first saw st him either ignoring runners or reacting far too late even when he first arrived.

 

The idea of shadowing people is not a kind of escort service. It's about waiting for the right moment to pinch the ball. Kante was a master at it but Amartey sits off people  - more as a guy spoiling their view than trying to dispossess them. 

 

At first you do forgive him and presume that he'll learn but it hasn't happened. It might be a confidence or respect thing I suppose but really good players show no outward respect for anyone in an opposition shirt. They see dealing with top performers as an opportunity rather than a threat.     

This seems to be Amartey's biggest problem. He shadows players without doing much else. Doesn't tackle or intercept the pass. I was also surprised for a big lad how ineffectual he was in trying to get the ball back, Dembele and Wanyama just swotted him away like a fly. 

[Legend_in_blue]

I will expand on my previous comment.

 

He isn't consistent enough, therefore he isn't good enough.

[ARM1968]

Amartey will be quality, whether with us or somewhere else. 

 

Hes as a young lad and has all the attributes required to be a top player.

 

i would think a loan spell might do him good, but I would not want to see him sold. I believe in the lad. 

 

(Mind you I also backed Tommy English - we all make mistakes).

[Freeman's Wharfer]

He's 21. Had some great cameos last season, played well in a few at the start of the season and got into the AFCON team of the tournament. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

[AmarteyAndChill]

1 minute ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

He's 21. Had some great cameos last season, played well in a few at the start of the season and got into the AFCON team of the tournament. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

He's 22 and no where near good enough for the premier league 

[Thracian]

23 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

Amartey will be quality, whether with us or somewhere else. 

 

Hes as a young lad and has all the attributes required to be a top player.

 

i would think a loan spell might do him good, but I would not want to see him sold. I believe in the lad. 

 

(Mind you I also backed Tommy English - we all make mistakes).

What are these attributes that seem so elusive. Or is he just a pre-AFCON performer? Cos I'm sick of the effect of AFCON.   

[ARM1968]

They aren't elusive.