sm1 Posted 9 December 2016 Posted 9 December 2016 4 hours ago, AKCJ said: People talk about potential but he isn't going to become that much better than he already is. He had the potential when he was about 16. The difference between 20 and 24 is neither here nor there for him as he's played about 100 professional games, how long does he need to start showing this 'massive potential'? I get that he's a young Englishman with bags of flair, but he's not the next Mahrez. I think that £20m is ripping Everton off. I'm at crossroads with him. If he wants to go then i'd let him go but I think that he needs knocking down a peg or two and a big money move to a big team won't help that. He needs to knuckle down and prove his obvious ability week in week out here IMO. Plenty of players improve after 20, just ask Vardy, Mahrez and Kante. Even Ronaldo was just a show pony at that age. Players regardless of talent improve by playing against the best. He's had a few minutes in the PL, no where near enough to make judgements like "he isn't going to get much better then he already is"
Guest the fox Posted 9 December 2016 Posted 9 December 2016 Honestly, I am not very impressed by him. he is not very good at tracking back, a bit selfish (forget about getting a pass from him if he found a chance to shoot from 25 yards), not the greatest passer and runs to blind alleys like there is no tomorrow. Did nothing special apart from the united goal, thinks that the club owed him a starting spot( judging by his social media's little fits). I will not be bothered about him leaving, judging by the price of young English players, we could get about 15-18M£. We could get a better player from outside England. Pick a player from the French/Netherlands/Portugal with the same price and he will have an immediate impact. For me, I have to say "get rid". I would've been totally O.K. with him staying if he had belief and trusted his coach orders.
daverollo Posted 9 December 2016 Posted 9 December 2016 Absolutely would not sell him. The potential is there without question, he won't develop properly getting bit parts with the odd 20mins here and there. After he has had a run of 8-12 consecutive games, that's when it will become clearer if he can deliver
Guest the fox Posted 9 December 2016 Posted 9 December 2016 Just now, daverollo said: Absolutely would not sell him. The potential is there without question, he won't develop properly getting bit parts with the odd 20mins here and there. After he has had a run of 8-12 consecutive games, that's when it will become clearer if he can deliver You only need 20 minutes here and there to show potential, and I have to say, he got more then one chance to show that he has great "potential". And honestly. He doesn't strike me as the kind of player with a high ceiling. I don't need for him to win us matchs now, I need him to show me that he has the right ability and the right attitude that allows him to be the main man. he did not show both, mahrez is going in the summer. And I would rather spend time preparing another player with better ability/attitude to lead the team in the future.
RizLCFC Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 The way he was whinging on Wednesday night when he lost the ball after being tackled fairly was very Ronaldo-esque!
dannythefox Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 If they want him why the hell is he not playing for us I know they have a few injurys but you don't just buy a player for 6 months.
Strokes Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 7 hours ago, themightyfin said: 22m price tag on his head. If they pay that I'd let him go.
RoyFox Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 8 hours ago, themightyfin said: 22m price tag on his head. Thanks for the info. mate Would be risky, with AFCON and finding a replacement in time. He also deserves a shot at starting a run of games.
Blue ROI Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 I'd like him to stay for a bit longer but he's looking more likely to be effective at a club like Everton than us at this moment. It's up to us to get the best out of him while he's still at Leicester.
AKCJ Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 14 hours ago, sm1 said: Plenty of players improve after 20, just ask Vardy, Mahrez and Kante. Even Ronaldo was just a show pony at that age. Players regardless of talent improve by playing against the best. He's had a few minutes in the PL, no where near enough to make judgements like "he isn't going to get much better then he already is" He's played 100 professional games. Probably more than Vardy, Mahrez and Kante combined before they all joined us. Behave with Ronaldo. When Ronaldo was Demarai's age he was the most expensive teenager in history and was in one of the best United teams of all time week in week out.
matty98 Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: He's played 100 professional games. Probably more than Vardy, Mahrez and Kante combined before they all joined us. Behave with Ronaldo. When Ronaldo was Demarai's age he was the most expensive teenager in history and was in one of the best United teams of all time week in week out. Why would he not get much better based on the fact he's played 100 professional games?
AKCJ Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 2 minutes ago, matty98 said: Why would he not get much better based on the fact he's played 100 professional games? My point is, when is he going to start showing his potential? I'm not saying that he definitely will or definitely won't get a lot better, just that usually after 100 professional games you'd be seeing more consistent performances. Gray has 1 good one followed by 6/7 average to poor performances.
matty98 Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: My point is, when is he going to start showing his potential? I'm not saying that he definitely will or definitely won't get a lot better, just that usually after 100 professional games you'd be seeing more consistent performances. Gray has 1 good one followed by 6/7 average to poor performances. I see your point, but it's hard to be consistent when you're only playing the odd 10 minutes here and there and having the pressure to make something happen to stand a chance of being picked next week
Matt Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 9 minutes ago, AKCJ said: My point is, when is he going to start showing his potential? I'm not saying that he definitely will or definitely won't get a lot better, just that usually after 100 professional games you'd be seeing more consistent performances. Gray has 1 good one followed by 6/7 average to poor performances. Generally you'll only see consistancy when he's playing consistanly. We ain't giving him his chance, when other players aren't performing, I don't like seeing players throw toys out their pram, show attitude, i'd normally say get him out of the club but on this occasion I can sympathise with him. If the players who were keeping him out the team/from a starting place were playing well you could understand him not getting a chance but they're not. Hopefully he gets a start today, why not?
shiv Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 8 minutes ago, Matt said: Generally you'll only see consistancy when he's playing consistanly. We ain't giving him his chance, when other players aren't performing, I don't like seeing players throw toys out their pram, show attitude, i'd normally say get him out of the club but on this occasion I can sympathise with him. If the players who were keeping him out the team/from a starting place were playing well you could understand him not getting a chance but they're not. Hopefully he gets a start today, why not? Because he was gash on Wednesday?
sdb Posted 10 December 2016 Posted 10 December 2016 Difficult as he could be really good but I'm not sure that'll happen here. At least with current staff. He seems pretty surly. I'd like to see him given a stretch of games during afcon before any decision.
foxfanazer Posted 11 December 2016 Posted 11 December 2016 What a monumental mistake it would be to lose Gray! Really see him having a massive future, we just need to give him a chance to show what he can do
Moksky Posted 11 December 2016 Posted 11 December 2016 On 09/12/2016 at 10:13, foxes21 said: honestly he's not that good, he'll become an inconsistent player against a packed defence he is useless. Wrong, he has ability and will develop , whether you think it's good or not, he will make the England senior squad in his career. What do you expect against a packed defence
An Away Move Posted 12 December 2016 Posted 12 December 2016 Gray is going nowhere. Mahrez on the other hand.... Do people see him staying with us for one more season? It's all Claudio asked of them, "Give me one more season". I'm not looking beyond that personally. At that point Gray takes over.
Stevosevic Posted 12 December 2016 Posted 12 December 2016 Plus Gray could be getting a 4-6 week run in the team during AFCON to really show what he can do.
Libertine Posted 12 December 2016 Posted 12 December 2016 On 10/12/2016 at 12:32, sk3since03 said: Kramaric MK 2 We must be on at least Mk 10 by now the way that gets banded about.
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 12 December 2016 Posted 12 December 2016 I don't think CR will sell him, at least not until January, for the same reason he didn't let Inler go last year. Afcon, injuries, and suspensions... In any event, someone needs to sit Gray down and show him a calendar: He is getting plenty of playing time next month, unless he grates CR to the point he flips Albrighton, and plays Musa instead. As for Mahrez, I'm not sure anyone would meet our price given the way he's played this season; that and Slimani could keep him here another year.
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