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Ian Nacho

The media brainwashing fans

By Ian Nacho, in Leicester City Forum

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Livid

Livid

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23 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

I agree with the sentiment about the media but....

 

It's not really important whether they 'stabbed him in the back' by telling the owners they'd lost faith in him, which has widely reported and is very plausible.

 

The fact is they have got him sacked with their performances this season and specifically by downing tools rather than giving it their all.

 

Whether this was intentionally done to undermine him or not is up for debate but we can see with our own eyes that they didn't fight for the club this season in order to get good results.

 

That has, more than anything, got him the sack and for that they don't really deserve the unwavering support they will probably still receive.

 

If the players got booed onto the pitch on Monday they couldn't have any complaints at all.

The club have closed ranks and the media are letting us have it with both barrels.

 

Going on the abject performances of the players this season something has obviously occurred. A coach of Ranieri's experience hasn't sent them out week after week to play like they have. Who knows maybe there was resistance to playing his way or they just didn't  have the ability. There's been no excuse for their lack of effort or passion though.

 

Musa maybe started in place of Grey because Ranieri thought he was more professional and committed to the way he wanted to play. Who knows?

 

If we actually knew what was going on behind the scenes it may explain  the, what at the time appeared crazy, substitutions. 

 

We'll never know. What I do know is that a team who won the league has fell apart and cost the man I viewed as our best ever manager his job.

 

 

splinterdream

splinterdream

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2 hours ago, Koke said:

If anyone wants to watch 17 minutes of drivel by the Soccer Saturday guys, here it is.

 

 

 

I just watched this with my gob on the floor. Literally clueless the lot of em. All the pundits were saying Claudio was going to get us relegated 'uninspiring' was the word, and what a bizarre decision it was to sack Pearson after the great escape. The owners are the ones that finance the club and the wages, why the hell should they except relegation and the financial problems that will bring? Oh, we've spoiled your 'the greatest story ever'. Christ on a bike, sorry about that but I'd like to see my club play top flight football for years to come, and this is all because Claudio is such a 'nice guy'. I'd love to know where Le Tissier gets his 95% from as well, there's some real incitement to cause trouble here on Monday, I hope the fans sing for Shakespeare and the players. The worse though is Merson with we haven't got very good players, he must have forgot Mahrez, Vardy, N'didi, Slimani, Drinkwater, Chillwell, Gray, Schmeichal - most very young and would be sought after by a lot of mid to high end table prem clubs.

Raw Dykes

Raw Dykes

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3 hours ago, gcxttle said:

I'm just getting sick and tired of the media such as these pundits saying it's a disgraceful decision to get rid of Claudio, also the papers reporting that our players wanted Ranieri to be sacked and that they went to the owners several times to get him sacked, I doubt this happened very much. Yes the owners probably had a discussion with senior players regarding the current situation, which you have to admit isn't in good shape at the moment, and based on the current goings on in the club based on the players information the owners or whoever made the decision decided it was time for a change. The media is not only brainwashing outsiders to think the worst of our players, they're also brainwashing  our own fans. Get behind the lads for Christ sake, when we stayed up two seasons ago the fans were a vital part of that and we need every single fan on the players side. Regardless if it was the right decision or not, unless you've been going to games like, Swansea away, Southampton away, Milwall away and so on nobody, whether you're a fan of the club or not, will fully understand how bad it's been. From my opinion Claudio has made my dream come true and I will always love him for that but at the end of the day there was only one place we were going under him and that was the championship as nothing was showing me that we were improving. 

:appl:Excellent post.

 

I have to admit I am a bit concerned about some of the comments I've been reading on here. I think there are fans who are understandably upset about the situation, and are itching to take out their frustration on the players. If enough of the fans think like this, then we'll have a toxic atmosphere and a huge hindrance that we'd be much better off without while trying to get out of this mess.

 

To anyone who does want to vent at the players, I'd like to ask you to please think carefully about whether it is helpful to the club. Yes, the man who was in charge for our greatest ever achievement is no longer with us, and that is a shame. I know it might feel good to let off some steam at the players, but do you actually know if they really deserve it? We don't know the full facts of what has been happening behind the scenes. I think we can all agree that the team has been piss-poor this season. I don't think we can ever all agree whether that's mostly down to Ranieri or the players, because none of us know for sure.

 

I think it would be wise to give the players the benefit of the doubt for now, for the sake of the club. Let's give them support while they still have a chance to dig us out of this hole. If you really can't resist the temptation to lay into them, could you at least try to hold off until either the season ends, or we're definitely down?

 

I personally don't think CR or the players have done themselves any favours this season, but if there's any chance that we can survive this season, we're going to have to get behind the team until the fat lady sings.

 

I know I'm pissing in the wind here, but it's probably not the best idea to sing about Claudio right now, either. It's not his team anymore, and I think it's probably best we move on.

 

The thing we do all have in common is that we support the club, after all. Let's give the players a chance to redeem themselves and halt the club's sharp decline.

totbl

totbl

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32 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

 

I just watched this with my gob on the floor. Literally clueless the lot of em. All the pundits were saying Claudio was going to get us relegated 'uninspiring' was the word, and what a bizarre decision it was to sack Pearson after the great escape. The owners are the ones that finance the club and the wages, why the hell should they except relegation and the financial problems that will bring? Oh, we've spoiled your 'the greatest story ever'. Christ on a bike, sorry about that but I'd like to see my club play top flight football for years to come, and this is all because Claudio is such a 'nice guy'. I'd love to know where Le Tissier gets his 95% from as well, there's some real incitement to cause trouble here on Monday, I hope the fans sing for Shakespeare and the players. The worse though is Merson with we haven't got very good players, he must have forgot Mahrez, Vardy, N'didi, Slimani, Drinkwater, Chillwell, Gray, Schmeichal - most very young and would be sought after by a lot of mid to high end table prem clubs.

There's so many youtube videos, news article comments like this - all of a sudden because so many people jumped on the bandwagon of our success last year they feel entitled to have an opinion on us without any real knowledge. They can all f##k off. The only sane person in the media I've seen is Harry Redknapp saying it's to be expected and a Guardian football article.

Koke

Koke

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I do wonder if Di Canio won us the league and we sacked him would there be such an outpouring of sympathy for him from non LCFC fans? Guy is a bellend and nobody likes him. Ranieri is a nice guy, hence people love him. For the rest of the media it's not about Ranieri the manager, it's about Ranieri the man. For us fans it's the other way around.  

Fox42

Fox42

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13 minutes ago, Koke said:

I do wonder if Di Canio won us the league and we sacked him would there be such an outpouring of sympathy for him from non LCFC fans? Guy is a bellend and nobody likes him. Ranieri is a nice guy, hence people love him. For the rest of the media it's not about Ranieri the manager, it's about Ranieri the man. For us fans it's the other way around.  

I thought about this earlier today if it was someone like my avatar instead of Ranieri. That's the feeling I get as to why almost every non leicester fan is against us now. 

 

Or are we just too ungrateful as fans? I feel lik e a villain as a leicester fan I'm not going to lie, especially as I thought a change was necessary.

DANGEROUS TIGER

DANGEROUS TIGER

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4 hours ago, gcxttle said:

I'm just getting sick and tired of the media such as these pundits saying it's a disgraceful decision to get rid of Claudio, also the papers reporting that our players wanted Ranieri to be sacked and that they went to the owners several times to get him sacked, I doubt this happened very much. Yes the owners probably had a discussion with senior players regarding the current situation, which you have to admit isn't in good shape at the moment, and based on the current goings on in the club based on the players information the owners or whoever made the decision decided it was time for a change. The media is not only brainwashing outsiders to think the worst of our players, they're also brainwashing  our own fans. Get behind the lads for Christ sake, when we stayed up two seasons ago the fans were a vital part of that and we need every single fan on the players side. Regardless if it was the right decision or not, unless you've been going to games like, Swansea away, Southampton away, Milwall away and so on nobody, whether you're a fan of the club or not, will fully understand how bad it's been. From my opinion Claudio has made my dream come true and I will always love him for that but at the end of the day there was only one place we were going under him and that was the championship as nothing was showing me that we were improving. 

In a word, RUBBISH!

Izzy

Izzy

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Is this the right thread for me to have a pop at Paul Merson?

 

What an absolute cvnt he is.

 

That's it really...

 

 

Foxxed

Foxxed

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5 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Fake news mate the lot of them are out to brainwash us. So much so that if we go down I will shrug my shoulders and say Well we are a yoyo club.

I've been sent home from school a few times in my life. The headmaster each time criticised me to my parents. Such awful brainwashing.

Will Loz

Will Loz

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Why should we get behind the players when they never got behind the manager? Come on now - time to man up and let players face the derision they deserve. They got their wages double and halved their performance. 

Monsell1976

Monsell1976

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I think we should show the owners we still support them, some of the abuse and some pathetic post on social media, due to people listening to everything being reported in the media, things are getting silly.

Im gutted Claudio is gone, after years of illness, he and the players gave me a chance to create memories and experiences we never forget, no matter what the future holds, nobody can take that away from any of us.

The owners had a hard decision to make, and I truly believe they have the best interests of the club at heart, but this witch hunt and creating drama in the media, and fans over reacting, could drive away the best owners this clubs possible had.

Its time to get in the real world, it's sad, but worse things happen in the world, time to ignore the press shit stirring, and remember the chant-

leicester boys are we

proud of our city

through the good times and the bad

we always back the lads

we are gonna stay in the league (slight variation at the end)

 

Ian Nacho

Ian Nacho

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People are taking all of these Roy rumours from the betting odds clearly don't have a clue how betting markets work. As more money is placed on particular outcome the odds for that get shorter. So for example if Hodgson to be the next Leicester manager is 20/1 on SkyBet and someone places a ridiculous amount on that to happen the odds will just get shorter and shorter because people will see the odds going down on all the other betting companies also. Sometimes yes this ridiculous bet is based on factual information however sometimes someone with a lot of money will just take a gamble hence what happened last time around with Bob Bradley and Preki. 

em9999

em9999

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On 2/25/2017 at 19:06, Izzy Muzzett said:

Is this the right thread for me to have a pop at Paul Merson?

 

What an absolute cvnt he is.

 

That's it really...

 

 

Paul merson knows nothing about football, can't stand the bloke. He is in a position to criticize no-one he spent 95% of his time as a professional footballer drinking and gambling ,- those in glass houses

 

 

Wymsey

Wymsey

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Only the BBC is the best recommended (imo) online media source for general football insights (apart from McNulty's articles going on about how good Man Utd are most of time).

They produced quite a few articles more than I expected them to, with empathy to both Ranieri and the fans and providing good key analysis etc.

 

The Guardian and The Times can also be trusted with their level-headed analysis and insight on certain topics/news when they've just been released.

 

The Daily Mail is alright, but has annoyed me this week in particular how they think what's happened etc without much credible evidence to back up their claim, hence they're like The Sun but the latter is one of the worst in terms of football stories - so much dross.

inckley fox

inckley fox

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Journalists are writers. They love tragic heroes, traitors, villains and victims. The angle on this story was a no-brainer for them: Ranieri had been betrayed.

 

Of course there are pundits who buy into this and others who are too daft to understand the ins-and-outs, the shades of grey rather than just the blacks and whites, of a story like this one. And there are vested interests too - managers, for instance, and people who would actually enjoy the symmetry of Leicester going down.

 

But you could clearly see their angle when Rob Dorsett, one of the most frequently incorrect sports reporters I've ever known of, was chasing Ranieri's car down the road - "Do you feel like you've been stabbed in the back, Claudio? Have you been betrayed?" 

 

None of these people actually care about what's best for Leicester, what will keep them in the top flight. That's the board's responsibility. They care about what sells, which is fairy-tale dreams-come-true, perhaps with a dastardly act of treachery thrown in for good measure.

 

We don't actually know what has happened. We can see that players should be doing more, but it's hard to know whether that's down to self-belief, confusion at tactics or sheer laziness. We do know that Ranieri made some decisions which, especially with the benefit of hindsight, were unwise. We know the board did too. But we don't know whether there was serious dissent, and if there was, we know little about how it manifested itself or how justified it was. If Schmeichel, our player of the season so far, was worried and stood up to be counted, then that could as easily be a good thing as a bad thing.

 

So why should we be swayed by any of this? Why would any true fan wish to pick the side of our greatest ever manager over our greatest ever set of players, or our greatest ever board? It's right to be devastated at Ranieri's exit, but it's totally wrong to fall for the fairy tales and tragedies spun by the sports press.

Cadno'r Cymoedd

Cadno'r Cymoedd

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On 25/02/2017 at 20:08, Will Loz said:

Why should we get behind the players when they never got behind the manager? Come on now - time to man up and let players face the derision they deserve. They got their wages double and halved their performance. 

Because they are the very people who we need to play well to save us from relegation? 

inckley fox

inckley fox

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On 25/02/2017 at 12:08, Will Loz said:

Why should we get behind the players when they never got behind the manager? Come on now - time to man up and let players face the derision they deserve. They got their wages double and halved their performance. 

So you're in the 'let's go and get ourselves relegated because we're a bunch of miserable, snivelling traitors' camp, are you? Is it possible to be a fan and hold that opinion at the same time? I'm not saying you're wrong to do so, but it sounds like you've arrived at a point where you're no longer a Leicester City supporter.

Hawk17

Hawk17

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There's a difference between what journalism is and what the media is.
 

Journalism is what you expect when you're the topic of discussion, but the business known as ''the media" is what you get.

The media being a business and one that is struggling has to sell to survive, and therefore the sensationalist narrative is what takes priority ahead of any attempts to accurately report the truth on any situation in question.

In our case, the sensationalist narrative is the villain players who had been turned into heroes by lovely, cuddly old Claudio got together to stab him in the back in a (pun unintended) Shakespearean style conclusion to the original fairytale for no other reason than they've unexplainably turned evil.

Expect that narrative to dominate and expect the general public to believe it, because its the story that will sell and therefore the story that the majority of the media will pump out.

What you shouldn't expect is much if any fair and accurate journalistic reporting that accounts for the fact that Claudio as lovely as he may be, had dramatically lost his way and was leading Leicester straight back to the championship as we lost match after match not even being able to score a solitary goal along the way. Because that narrative won't sell a paper even half as well. And that's all the media care about achieving

Joefox

Joefox

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On 25/02/2017 at 17:38, totbl said:

There's so many youtube videos, news article comments like this - all of a sudden because so many people jumped on the bandwagon of our success last year they feel entitled to have an opinion on us without any real knowledge. They can all f##k off. The only sane person in the media I've seen is Harry Redknapp saying it's to be expected and a Guardian football article.

Any chance you could link the article? As I don't usually have time for his opinions.

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