The problem with keeping Shakey - player respect

[The whole world smiles]

First of all let me say that I think the club should definitely keep him in charge he has been brilliant.

 

But.....

 

After watching interviews with Mahrez where he is basically taking the p*ss out of the club. asking to leave. It has occurred to me that we may have an issue down the line where clearly the players like him but after being assistant for so long do they respect him enough?

[Thracian]

13 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

First of all let me say that I think the club should definitely keep him in charge he has been brilliant.

 

But.....

 

After watching interviews with Mahrez where he is basically taking the p*ss out of the club. asking to leave. It has occurred to me that we may have an issue down the line where clearly the players like him but after being assistant for so long do they respect him enough?

Don't think Shaky makes any difference re Mahrez - the guy wants Champions League/superteam football if he gets the chance. He thought of moving last year by his own admisssion and when we had CL football. He just doesn't think we're big enough for his ambitions, whoever's in charge. Our job now is to evolve and be better for it. As other clubs have and are doing. Shaky's doing fine.   

[Vardinio'sCat]

 

 I think Shakey in charge full time is the best chance of keeping the big players, I just hope the owners see it that way too.

 

Riyad has one of the worlds greatest showreels, it is just a matter of when and how much.

[Aus Fox]

The flip side of an interview like that is it shows there is enough respect in the camp for everyone to feel happy to honestly share there thoughts and feelings.

I think this can only be a good thing. While I would love to keep all te Premier League winners here forever, if players feel the have experienced Champions League football and want more of it, who are we to stand in there way.

They have given so much to us in terms of memories that will last a life time, it's time for us to give back and let them go if they want to go. And if they do each and everyone of them shoul get a huge cheer as there name is read out on their return to the KP.

[Chico1958]

Teams and players need to evolve, the players have served us well.

 

I for one would say if they think they can do better elsewhere then they should be allowed to do that ( At the right price )

 

As for Shakespeare, he's done a great job but if the club brought in a "Big" name Manager would that change players minds ?

 

I don't know the answer but time will tell and either way............. The club will still be there and it's the club I support.

 

I'll finish with, they look at what The Little French Guy achieved since he left us and probably think " I want a bit of that "

 

Open the revolving (evolving) door

[AylestoneRaider]

Shakey has to stay. My only complaint is persisting with King as part of a two man CM partenership!!!

 

I will be gutted to see Riyad leave, and I think we'll all realise how important he has been to us, when we miss the fact that we have a player who dribbles past people at will!

 

We need to replace Mahrez's creativity and I fear we will learn that Gray isn't quite at that level!

[LcFc_Smiv]

15 minutes ago, AylestoneRaider said:

Shakey has to stay. My only complaint is persisting with King as part of a two man CM partenership!!!

 

I will be gutted to see Riyad leave, and I think we'll all realise how important he has been to us, when we miss the fact that we have a player who dribbles past people at will!

 

We need to replace Mahrez's creativity and I fear we will learn that Gray isn't quite at that level!

Ay?!?! You mean that he is the natural replacement to one of our other midfielders who is out injured and put a fairly good shift in yesterday. I think we are all aware how important Riyad is to us, I think we are also well aware that his time has come to an end and he's not going to offer much more here. 

[Guest Col city fan]

37 minutes ago, AylestoneRaider said:

Shakey has to stay. My only complaint is persisting with King as part of a two man CM partenership!!!

 

I will be gutted to see Riyad leave, and I think we'll all realise how important he has been to us, when we miss the fact that we have a player who dribbles past people at will!

 

We need to replace Mahrez's creativity and I fear we will learn that Gray isn't quite at that level!

What choice has he got!?

The single biggest error that was made in the summer was not reinforcing our midfield with real quality. Many have said this. Shakey clearly can't rate Amartey very highly. He does his best not to have to play him. Mendy is forever injured and Drinks has been carrying a knock for ages. Drinkwater is knackered and needs to fully recover for next season.

This leaves just King!

I so hope this is sorted in the next window.

On the subject of respect, I agree completely with Thrac. Mahrez wants to leave anyway and I think will do in the summer.

I like Shakey. I like his team selections, I like how he talks. I also have it on good authority that the players both like and respect him.

[whetstonefox]

Given the potential for key players leaving this summer it would make sense to have continuity management wise as he will probably have a better idea of where we need strengthening. A new manager coming in as Mahrez, Kasper leave etc may end up wasting money with the desire to sign anyone. It's a tough one really, pretty much guarantee Shakey will need a decent start next season to avoid being under immediate pressure, especially if the owners invest big amounts of cash again

[Rob1742]

They will give Shakey the job I am sure, but like I said somewhere else, him being successful is not a given.

 

His relationship with the players will be totally different and how he handles situations with players might not be a strong point.

 

I was talking this through with someone last week. Mahrez came off the other week and clearly wasn't happy.

 

Previously he might have had a little chat with him as a mate to see how he was, then fed it back to the manager, or put his arm round him.

 

Now Mahrez might not have been happy being subbed and Shakey will have known this. But for the first time it would have been Shakey being the bad guy. 

 

Does Shakey leave it and let it fester? Does he invite him in the office and tell him why he did it?

 

Whatever happened it was a new situation and one he may get right or wrong. Assistant manager role is completely different and he has a completely new set of challenges, some of which he may not be good at.

 

Some of our great successes have been where we had a good Manager / Assistant Manager situation going on.

 

Little / Gregory / Evans

ONeill / Robertson

Pearson / Shakespeare. 

 

 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

The coming season will be one of the toughest situations any manager is likely to face... highish expectation in the stands against a backdrop of players looking to go elsewhere. 

 

We may require a complete rebuild (of sorts) over 2/3 seasons, in which case a completely new expirenced manager might not be the worst call. 

 

That would be harsh on Shakespear, but this isn't a time sentiment. 

[Fox92]

I am still unsure. 

 

Taking over a club when you're respected and know the players/club very well already is totally different to being full time manager, having your own summer and basically rebuilding the squad (because that needs to happen).

 

We've battered the likes of Watford and Hull under him but going away to the bigger clubs is different. At Arsenal we were that defensive it was disappointing, same at Madrid (although I can sort of understand that) and first half yesterday was awful. 

[Happy Fox]

He is still an assistant manager for me; not saying he cannot adapt to the role of a manager as he has the credentials but I have a feeling the owners may give the job to someone more experienced in the role in the summer.

 

Shakespeare has done a bloody good job, and he could still get it, but he needs a support mechanism in place to be successful, Stowell isn't that. 

 

My fear is the players although they respect and like him, do they see him as a top class manager that can bring their game on to the next level, i.e. compete in the  champions league?

[foxinsocks]

well... what have we learnt?

 

IMO we have seen that football success is very fragile... we have swung from champs to chumps and back again.  It is dependent on many things and clubs should be wary of throwing everything up in the air.  When clubs have large and talented squads (the "big" clubs)  and the right structures inside the club then they can bring in radical or name managers. 

 

I think the owners should stick with shakey - we need a period of stabilization... and dare I say it, sorting out some of the infrastructure which we seem to have lost in the last two years (NB: I am not an NP fan but I can't argue with the structures and systems he put in place)

[AylestoneRaider]

3 hours ago, Col city fan said:

What choice has he got!?

The single biggest error that was made in the summer was not reinforcing our midfield with real quality. Many have said this. Shakey clearly can't rate Amartey very highly. He does his best not to have to play him. Mendy is forever injured and Drinks has been carrying a knock for ages. Drinkwater is knackered and needs to fully recover for next season.

This leaves just King!

I so hope this is sorted in the next window.

On the subject of respect, I agree completely with Thrac. Mahrez wants to leave anyway and I think will do in the summer.

I like Shakey. I like his team selections, I like how he talks. I also have it on good authority that the players both like and respect him.

I think Amartey is a far better choice than King. King can't compete physically in the Premier League, while Amartey is very strong and athletic. I though he should have started yesterday and I thought he was instantly better when he came on. Maybe I rate Amartey more than most, but it just seems blindingly obvious?

[AylestoneRaider]

3 hours ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

Ay?!?! You mean that he is the natural replacement to one of our other midfielders who is out injured and put a fairly good shift in yesterday. I think we are all aware how important Riyad is to us, I think we are also well aware that his time has come to an end and he's not going to offer much more here. 

I love King for what he has done for us, but surely Amartey should have started ahead of him? King can't compete physically and gets completely overrun in midfield. Amartey instantly looked better when he came on, so I would have started him. 

 

Mahrez is on his way -agreed.

 

Just for the record I'm a big Shakey fan, just think King as part of a two-man  cm partenership away at one of the top teams is not the right selection. In fact, I'm absolutely convinced DA should have started.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

I am still unsure. 

 

Taking over a club when you're respected and know the players/club very well already is totally different to being full time manager, having your own summer and basically rebuilding the squad (because that needs to happen).

 

We've battered the likes of Watford and Hull under him but going away to the bigger clubs is different. At Arsenal we were that defensive it was disappointing, same at Madrid (although I can sort of understand that) and first half yesterday was awful. 

I agree with this.

 

Its clear to everyone with at least half  a brain that we are at our best when we press, are on the front foot, and take the game to the opposition.

 

In recent times we have been at our worst when looking to defend a 0-0 from the off. Trying to negate the opposition rather than playing to our strengths. October to March during the Great Escape season for example, as well as games with Ranners earlier in this season.

 

Shakey has been here 8 years should know this; he does know this in fact as he said so in an interview when he took over before the Liverpool game. 

 

So why in all these games mentioned above has he been so so defensive. It's now become a pattern. Throw in WBA away; yes we won it but we won't win many games having one shot on target.

 

All the defeats have come with him in charge when playing with this mindset. I don't think that's a coincidence.

 

Its almost as if he doesn't believe we are good enough to beat these teams playing our own proven style. Like he thinks we are only capable of being a mid table side, and we have to go away from home and play like a West Brom. 

 

As I say, this has shades of the Pearsonesque PL attitude which had to be rectified when it was shit or bust.

 

He's done very well in the round obviously, but this aspect of his management concerns me. We did not win the league by going away from home with no ambition trying to sneak the odd point here and there.

 

Plus it's shit to watch.

[dmayne7]

1 hour ago, AylestoneRaider said:

I think Amartey is a far better choice than King. King can't compete physically in the Premier League, while Amartey is very strong and athletic. I though he should have started yesterday and I thought he was instantly better when he came on. Maybe I rate Amartey more than most, but it just seems blindingly obvious?

Huh? Unfortunately didn't see yesterday but I think a lot of people's frustratation with Amartey is that he should be strong but is often so lightweight. Losing challenges he should never lose, not getting stuck in unable to knock people off the ball. Not saying King can do that but you know what his game is about.

[los dedos]

2 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Huh? Unfortunately didn't see yesterday but I think a lot of people's frustratation with Amartey is that he should be strong but is often so lightweight. Losing challenges he should never lose, not getting stuck in unable to knock people off the ball. Not saying King can do that but you know what his game is about.

What happened too that player that ran the length of the pitch for Copenhagen in the 90th minute.He looks so timid these days.

[murphy]

9 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

First of all let me say that I think the club should definitely keep him in charge he has been brilliant.

 

But.....

 

After watching interviews with Mahrez where he is basically taking the p*ss out of the club. asking to leave. It has occurred to me that we may have an issue down the line where clearly the players like him but after being assistant for so long do they respect him enough?

Sorry, but nonsense.

 

As if Mahrez would be clamouring to stay if we had appointed Woy.

[AmarteyAndChill]

17 minutes ago, los dedos said:

What happened too that player that ran the length of the pitch for Copenhagen in the 90th minute.He looks so timid these days.

It wasn't for Copenhagen, it was for the team he played for before in the Swedish league 

[LcFc_Smiv]

2 hours ago, AylestoneRaider said:

I love King for what he has done for us, but surely Amartey should have started ahead of him? King can't compete physically and gets completely overrun in midfield. Amartey instantly looked better when he came on, so I would have started him. 

 

Mahrez is on his way -agreed.

 

Just for the record I'm a big Shakey fan, just think King as part of a two-man  cm partenership away at one of the top teams is not the right selection. In fact, I'm absolutely convinced DA should have started.

I thought King had a solid performance yesterday and competed well, I actually thought we looked worse off with the introduction of Amartey but I guess it's all personal opinion.

[Countryfox]

 

Shakey is playing it smart ...    Keep everyone happy, especially Mahrez ...     Play the good guy ...    Get the job ...    Then smack em  and let them know who's boss !      Hidden talents and a steely resolve ....     Future England manager.     Watch the boy go.

[pazzerfox]

Mahrez will move, but when he finds he's not the big dog anymore, when his band of brothers aren't there anymore, when that camaraderie isn't the same anymore, when he isn't undroppable anymore, he will realise the grass isn't always greener and that bigger clubs aren't what they cracked up to be...even if his wallet is slightly fuller.

 

On a side note, I went for a stadium tour today and would thoroughly recommend it.  The facilities for the players is incredible.  Why anybody would want to leave our great club is beyond me ;).

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, pazzerfox said:

Why anybody would want to leave our great club is beyond me ;).

 

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