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27 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Enjoyed that thanks. I think that you're very right regarding how tactically neive we or should I say Shakespeare is. You always got the impression that if we had fluked a second goal, Chelsea could have changed gear or even tactics and got a third.

 

Everything fell into place with our 442 in the winning year but, just as under Sousa who tried to play champagne and oyster football with beer and chips players, Shakespeare is trying to play the same counter attacking football as before without the right ingredients. It may work against the lesser teams like Brighton and hopefully Huddersfield next week, but against better teams it's history. 

 

To get even a draw yesterday our team had to be set up differently, we can no longer afford to play the way we used to with our current crop of players and Shakespeares reluctance to change combined with his poor substitutions yesterday and against Arsenal highlight the fact that he's a coach and not a manager. Although much maligned, there's a reason why individuals like Alladyce consistently appear to get points off big teams and that is he recognises the strength and weaknesses of his own squad and plays a system that can thwart the on paper superior opposition. He gets points and  Shakespeare won't unless it's against a weaker team.

Thanks, really appreciate that :) took me 3 hours (give or take)

with the cutting, uploading, converting and imbedding, with a tablet!! lol

 

And I agree, we are too neive and lack the proper players to play 4-4-2, we need dynamic players with iron lungs to keep that up, I truly believe that the 2015-2016 season was the best chance any team out of the big clubs could win, we got lucky with most big clubs suffering, but the club and fans deserved that title 100%, you can only beat what is in front of you.

 

We need to change, I think the best formation right now in the PL is 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1, but we can only pull 4-3-3 which is an improvement.

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44 minutes ago, the fox said:

Thanks, really appreciate that :) took me 3 hours (give or take)

with the cutting, uploading, converting and imbedding, with a tablet!! lol

 

And I agree, we are too neive and lack the proper players to play 4-4-2, we need dynamic players with iron lungs to keep that up, I truly believe that the 2015-2016 season was the best chance any team out of the big clubs could win, we got lucky with most big clubs suffering, but the club and fans deserved that title 100%, you can only beat what is in front of you.

 

We need to change, I think the best formation right now in the PL is 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1, but we can only pull 4-3-3 which is an improvement.

I agree with your formations. As for embedding the video's I'd still be here this time tomorrow. It was worth the effort though as it illustrated your points well.

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6 hours ago, the fox said:

I'm a man of my word, I promised I will deliver GIFS and I came through lol

 

I'm gonna focus on what riyad did and why he usually struggles against big clubs.

Again, sorry for the Hassel, going back and forth with people that back their arguments with "that's my opinion" and "you are just biased" can get tedious, I like to prove my opinion with facts, numbers and footage and putting some effort instead of a post with 2 lines talking about nothing.

 

Let's start!

Watch this gif! 

1vmw5f.gif

 

Riyad came fired up for the game, he miss controlled the ball a bit after Fuchs's free throw, he managed to secure the ball but he lost it after he got double teamed per usual (should've passed it back to fuchs but he would've hoofed it) but he didn't give up on the ball and showed some intensity (which isn't that Common when mahrez is defending lol)

 

 You can also see that he wasn't shying away from physical play or aerial duels

1vn1x2.gif

 

What I also noticed is how closely bakayoko was Shadowing/man-marking riyad, he ruffed him up and used as much physical play as the ref allowed! And that effected riyad massively!

 

1vn2wu.gif

 

1vn3ah.gif

 

Here is rudiger doing the same thing

 

1vn5a8.gif

 

You don't see those little things until you rewatch a game, but what infuriates me is the fact that our two midfielders are so deep and offer so little danger offensively that a CM can leave his spot just to man mark a winger

:nigel:

 

I remember José used Herrera almost the same way to mark hazard out of the game.

 

 

And when we intercept the ball, conte made sure that riyad is shackled because he is usual the one starting the play from deep which usual results in a hoof

1vn3uw.gif

 

(Not gonna lie, focusing on this made me appreciate conte as a coach even more.:appl:)

 

And conte made sure that because riyad is lightweight, there always should be a player shadowing him and the moment he gets the ball with his back to the defender, said player should throw his body at him, most of the time he will be dispossessed

 

1vn4a9.gif

 

The first time he got a breather and managed to lose bakayoko, he threaded a beautiful. ball for vardy (that's the first real chance for the team!)

1vn4wl.gif

 

Now we go to the most controversial moment in the match

 

1vn5vm.gif

 

If you ask me my opinion, I have to say that riyad only shares a little bit of blame (so does vardy), they weren't on the same page, mahrez was expecting vardy to come on the shoulder of azpilicueta and overlap him so he can turn inside and lay it off like he did to slimani here

 

But credit where credit is due, azpilicueta did an amazing job, that's a text box defending, I don't think a lot of defenders have that much talent, he kept looking at vardy which put riyad off.

 

Even though riyad didn't use the full potential of that counter, that lay off to slim is just mouth watering!

 

 

 

 

Those were just what I got from the first half (analyzing the full match would take a long time)

 

Points that I got from the rewatch: conte had a tactical master-class. he knew where our strongest creative punch comes from and he took a massive bite out of that hand, big teams have known how to nullify riyad a long time ago and the deference between us and the "big clubs" tactically is actually frightening when you look at the details of the game closely. I thought we gave them a run for their money but they had us all along

 

(plus, wes actually had an immense half, saved us from 3-4 chances which could've led to a goal)

 

 

Any ways, hopefully this post is a refreshing change from the usual posts:thumbup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with most of your post and it was very well presented. Azpilicueta dealt with that situation extremely well. 

 

Can I just ask... what on Earth is a 'free throw'??? ?

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On 09/09/2017 at 23:55, ScouseFox said:

 

often think the opposite, really. if he tried to take on two players at once for barcelona and got tackled, someone world class would get the ball back and give him another go within 30 seconds. 

 

we rely on him so much that we're getting to the stage that every time he gets possession, even if it's not in a particularly exciting area, if he doesn't beat a couple of men and play an exquisite through ball we're back under pressure for another 10 minutes. 

 

id be surprised if that many of the top players at the top clubs have significantly better stats for things like take ons or through balls completed than he does, difference is we NEED him to complete the take ons or we're in trouble. if neymar tries to maradona turn 4 players at once and loses it, it doesn't matter cos PSG are going to win anyway so nobody cares. 

Time to be surprised then - he's miles off the 'better' players at 'bigger clubs'.

 

Last season per minutes played in the PL he was behind other players at LCFC in terms of goals, assists, key passes and dribbles never mind anywhere else. 

 

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No breakdown of one of Mahrez's favorite move?

 

https://streamable.com/am6jd

 

He does almost every a game. He runs across the top of the 18 yard box looking for a shooting lane with his left foot and what usually happens is defenders swarm and nip it away instead. Azpilicueta, Kanté, and Luiz picked it up right away and swarmed. It's tactically astute defending and I bet the opposition touch on it on the training ground before they face us and he plays right into it. Defenders know he's not likely to pass and will try to use his technical ability to get out of it. He had 2 opportunities on Saturday to get the ball out wide in that sequence and didn't. How many times does this get to be overlooked? How has he not learned that this move does not work? This, of course, isn't the only area he continues to make the same unsuccessful poor decisions over and over again. He keeps trying the stutter step penalty to a well below average result as well. When teams put 2 defenders in front of him anywhere on the pitch he still tries to get past them instead of looking for a pass. I honestly think he's a tactically inept footballer. He hasn't adapted his game while the game adapted to him. Yet on here I read post after post awing a technically incredible move that has no tactical result.

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3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Time to be surprised then - he's miles off the 'better' players at 'bigger clubs'.

 

Last season per minutes played in the PL he was behind other players at LCFC in terms of goals, assists, key passes and dribbles never mind anywhere else. 

 

Well good little fellah, 100% of the opposition managers are setting their squad to at least double team him, that alone speaks volume and closes the discussion of Mahrez being world-class, period.

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8 hours ago, the fox said:

I'm a man of my word, I promised I will deliver GIFS and I came through lol

 

I'm gonna focus on what riyad did and why he usually struggles against big clubs.

Again, sorry for the Hassel, going back and forth with people that back their arguments with "that's my opinion" and "you are just biased" can get tedious, I like to prove my opinion with facts, numbers and footage and putting some effort instead of a post with 2 lines talking about nothing.

 

Let's start!

Watch this gif! 

1vmw5f.gif

 

Riyad came fired up for the game, he miss controlled the ball a bit after Fuchs's throw-in, he managed to secure the ball but he lost it after he got double teamed per usual (should've passed it back to fuchs but he would've hoofed it) but he didn't give up on the ball and showed some intensity (which isn't that Common when mahrez is defending lol)

 

 You can also see that he wasn't shying away from physical play or aerial duels

1vn1x2.gif

 

What I also noticed is how closely bakayoko was Shadowing/man-marking riyad, he ruffed him up and used as much physical play as the ref allowed! And that effected riyad massively!

 

1vn2wu.gif

 

1vn3ah.gif

 

Here is rudiger doing the same thing

 

1vn5a8.gif

 

You don't see those little things until you rewatch a game, but what infuriates me is the fact that our two midfielders are so deep and offer so little danger offensively that a CM can leave his spot just to man mark a winger

:nigel:

 

I remember José used Herrera almost the same way to mark hazard out of the game.

 

 

And when we intercept the ball, conte made sure that riyad is shackled because he is usual the one starting the play from deep which usual results in a hoof

1vn3uw.gif

 

(Not gonna lie, focusing on this made me appreciate conte as a coach even more.:appl:)

 

And conte made sure that because riyad is lightweight, there always should be a player shadowing him and the moment he gets the ball with his back to the defender, said player should throw his body at him, most of the time he will be dispossessed

 

1vn4a9.gif

 

The first time he got a breather and managed to lose bakayoko, he threaded a beautiful. ball for vardy (that's the first real chance for the team!)

1vn4wl.gif

 

Now we go to the most controversial moment in the match

 

1vn5vm.gif

 

If you ask me my opinion, I have to say that riyad only shares a little bit of blame (so does vardy), they weren't on the same page, mahrez was expecting vardy to come on the shoulder of azpilicueta and overlap him so he can turn inside and lay it off like he did to slimani here

 

But credit where credit is due, azpilicueta did an amazing job, that's a text box defending, I don't think a lot of defenders have that much talent, he kept looking at vardy which put riyad off.

 

Even though riyad didn't use the full potential of that counter, that lay off to slim is just mouth watering!

 

 

 

 

Those were just what I got from the first half (analyzing the full match would take a long time)

 

Points that I got from the rewatch: conte had a tactical master-class. he knew where our strongest creative punch comes from and he took a massive bite out of that hand, big teams have known how to nullify riyad a long time ago and the deference between us and the "big clubs" tactically is actually frightening when you look at the details of the game closely. I thought we gave them a run for their money but they had us all along

 

(plus, wes actually had an immense half, saved us from 3-4 chances which could've led to a goal)

 

 

Any ways, hopefully this post is a refreshing change from the usual posts:thumbup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're biased ! 

 

 

(But very good post Foxy ...  :thumbup:)

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2 hours ago, NewEnglandFox said:

No breakdown of one of Mahrez's favorite move?

 

https://streamable.com/am6jd

 

He does almost every a game. He runs across the top of the 18 yard box looking for a shooting lane with his left foot and what usually happens is defenders swarm and nip it away instead. Azpilicueta, Kanté, and Luiz picked it up right away and swarmed. It's tactically astute defending and I bet the opposition touch on it on the training ground before they face us and he plays right into it. Defenders know he's not likely to pass and will try to use his technical ability to get out of it. He had 2 opportunities on Saturday to get the ball out wide in that sequence and didn't. How many times does this get to be overlooked? How has he not learned that this move does not work? This, of course, isn't the only area he continues to make the same unsuccessful poor decisions over and over again. He keeps trying the stutter step penalty to a well below average result as well. When teams put 2 defenders in front of him anywhere on the pitch he still tries to get past them instead of looking for a pass. I honestly think he's a tactically inept footballer. He hasn't adapted his game while the game adapted to him. Yet on here I read post after post awing a technically incredible move that has no tactical result.

How can you say that this move doesn't work when he had his most mental season thanks to it? Messi does it all the time. It works, he just needs to polish a bit more. It's the "if you score you are a magician, if you don't you're terrible" type of situation. Sometimes it works and it looks amazing, and sometimes it doesn't. 

 

12 minutes ago, waylander said:

We will miss him when he's gone. But we have him till Jan bloody marvellous . Will score six and assist in ten mark these words boys and girls. 

He's not going anywhere in January. 

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1 hour ago, Redouane said:

How can you say that this move doesn't work when he had his most mental season thanks to it? Messi does it all the time. It works, he just needs to polish a bit more. It's the "if you score you are a magician, if you don't you're terrible" type of situation. Sometimes it works and it looks amazing, and sometimes it doesn't. 

 

He's not going anywhere in January. 

What makes you think that? .. I'd say he was pretty much favorite, he is going to be the 1st out the door in January. (Unless ofc he plays shite and no one wants him again ... )

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11 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

What makes you think that? .. I'd say he was pretty much favorite, he is going to be the 1st out the door in January. (Unless ofc he plays shite and no one wants him again ... )

Because he went through the entire summer with 1 low-ball bid from Roma?

 

Plus, no team is in desperate need for a new winger, to match Leicester's valuation. I feel that he will stay here for atleast another year. 

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3 hours ago, DelBoy73 said:

Well good little fellah, 100% of the opposition managers are setting their squad to at least double team him, that alone speaks volume and closes the discussion of Mahrez being world-class, period.

?

 

All the stats disagree with your assertion.

 

So 'world class' no ****er will pay more than £32m for him.

 

He has the talent, but not using it properly, as ANYONE who watches the games will know.

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2 minutes ago, Redouane said:

Because he went through the entire summer with 1 low-ball bid from Roma?

 

Plus, no team is in desperate need for a new winger, to match Leicester's valuation. I feel that he will stay here for atleast another year. 

I'm actually scared if he leaves and scared if he stays. We know he is going to leave, January or next summer. So we should be busy building a team without him. However to do that means we need to play gray and imo he isn't good enough. That may be becuz he lacks skill or because he needs more than just his 10 min cameos. 

 

I think its a tuff time for Shakey as he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. 

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10 hours ago, the fox said:

I'm a man of my word, I promised I will deliver GIFS and I came through lol

 

I'm gonna focus on what riyad did and why he usually struggles against big clubs.

Again, sorry for the Hassel, going back and forth with people that back their arguments with "that's my opinion" and "you are just biased" can get tedious, I like to prove my opinion with facts, numbers and footage and putting some effort instead of a post with 2 lines talking about nothing.

 

Let's start!

Watch this gif! 

1vmw5f.gif

 

Riyad came fired up for the game, he miss controlled the ball a bit after Fuchs's throw-in, he managed to secure the ball but he lost it after he got double teamed per usual (should've passed it back to fuchs but he would've hoofed it) but he didn't give up on the ball and showed some intensity (which isn't that Common when mahrez is defending lol)

 

 You can also see that he wasn't shying away from physical play or aerial duels

1vn1x2.gif

 

What I also noticed is how closely bakayoko was Shadowing/man-marking riyad, he ruffed him up and used as much physical play as the ref allowed! And that effected riyad massively!

 

1vn2wu.gif

 

1vn3ah.gif

 

Here is rudiger doing the same thing

 

1vn5a8.gif

 

You don't see those little things until you rewatch a game, but what infuriates me is the fact that our two midfielders are so deep and offer so little danger offensively that a CM can leave his spot just to man mark a winger

:nigel:

 

I remember José used Herrera almost the same way to mark hazard out of the game.

 

 

And when we intercept the ball, conte made sure that riyad is shackled because he is usual the one starting the play from deep which usual results in a hoof

1vn3uw.gif

 

(Not gonna lie, focusing on this made me appreciate conte as a coach even more.:appl:)

 

And conte made sure that because riyad is lightweight, there always should be a player shadowing him and the moment he gets the ball with his back to the defender, said player should throw his body at him, most of the time he will be dispossessed

 

1vn4a9.gif

 

The first time he got a breather and managed to lose bakayoko, he threaded a beautiful. ball for vardy (that's the first real chance for the team!)

1vn4wl.gif

 

Now we go to the most controversial moment in the match

 

1vn5vm.gif

 

If you ask me my opinion, I have to say that riyad only shares a little bit of blame (so does vardy), they weren't on the same page, mahrez was expecting vardy to come on the shoulder of azpilicueta and overlap him so he can turn inside and lay it off like he did to slimani here

 

But credit where credit is due, azpilicueta did an amazing job, that's a text box defending, I don't think a lot of defenders have that much talent, he kept looking at vardy which put riyad off.

 

Even though riyad didn't use the full potential of that counter, that lay off to slim is just mouth watering!

 

 

 

 

Those were just what I got from the first half (analyzing the full match would take a long time)

 

Points that I got from the rewatch: conte had a tactical master-class. he knew where our strongest creative punch comes from and he took a massive bite out of that hand, big teams have known how to nullify riyad a long time ago and the deference between us and the "big clubs" tactically is actually frightening when you look at the details of the game closely. I thought we gave them a run for their money but they had us all along

 

(plus, wes actually had an immense half, saved us from 3-4 chances which could've led to a goal)

 

 

Any ways, hopefully this post is a refreshing change from the usual posts:thumbup:

 

 

 

 

 

I will confess, there were times last season I dismissed some of your posts as I thought you were simply an apologist for Riyad when he wasn't performing. In the last 6 months or so I had noticed you made lots of relevant points and usually gave a reasonably detailed analysis of why you posted what you did and I have 'repped' you a number of times since I started taking more notice of what you were saying. I don't always agree with you but I'm pretty sure I do more often than not now.

This effort was time consuming and, along with many others, I appreciate your effort.

Keep up the good work! :thumbup:

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2 hours ago, matty98 said:

People are moaning about Mahrez giving the ball away too much yet he has the best pass completion of any of our players this season. Mahrez 82%, Albrighton 70%. The reason it seems like he gives the ball away a lot is because he's constantly involved trying to make things happen. If he wasn't in the team we'd create next to nothing.

Albrighton gives the ball away constantly, always has done, yet it doesn't get mentioned on here. There's times when he doesn't even look.

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10 hours ago, the fox said:

I'm a man of my word, I promised I will deliver GIFS and I came through lol

 

I'm gonna focus on what riyad did and why he usually struggles against big clubs.

Again, sorry for the Hassel, going back and forth with people that back their arguments with "that's my opinion" and "you are just biased" can get tedious, I like to prove my opinion with facts, numbers and footage and putting some effort instead of a post with 2 lines talking about nothing.

 

Let's start!

Watch this gif! 

1vmw5f.gif

 

Riyad came fired up for the game, he miss controlled the ball a bit after Fuchs's throw-in, he managed to secure the ball but he lost it after he got double teamed per usual (should've passed it back to fuchs but he would've hoofed it) but he didn't give up on the ball and showed some intensity (which isn't that Common when mahrez is defending lol)

 

 You can also see that he wasn't shying away from physical play or aerial duels

1vn1x2.gif

 

What I also noticed is how closely bakayoko was Shadowing/man-marking riyad, he ruffed him up and used as much physical play as the ref allowed! And that effected riyad massively!

 

1vn2wu.gif

 

1vn3ah.gif

 

Here is rudiger doing the same thing

 

1vn5a8.gif

 

You don't see those little things until you rewatch a game, but what infuriates me is the fact that our two midfielders are so deep and offer so little danger offensively that a CM can leave his spot just to man mark a winger

:nigel:

 

I remember José used Herrera almost the same way to mark hazard out of the game.

 

 

And when we intercept the ball, conte made sure that riyad is shackled because he is usual the one starting the play from deep which usual results in a hoof

1vn3uw.gif

 

(Not gonna lie, focusing on this made me appreciate conte as a coach even more.:appl:)

 

And conte made sure that because riyad is lightweight, there always should be a player shadowing him and the moment he gets the ball with his back to the defender, said player should throw his body at him, most of the time he will be dispossessed

 

1vn4a9.gif

 

The first time he got a breather and managed to lose bakayoko, he threaded a beautiful. ball for vardy (that's the first real chance for the team!)

1vn4wl.gif

 

Now we go to the most controversial moment in the match

 

1vn5vm.gif

 

If you ask me my opinion, I have to say that riyad only shares a little bit of blame (so does vardy), they weren't on the same page, mahrez was expecting vardy to come on the shoulder of azpilicueta and overlap him so he can turn inside and lay it off like he did to slimani here

 

But credit where credit is due, azpilicueta did an amazing job, that's a text box defending, I don't think a lot of defenders have that much talent, he kept looking at vardy which put riyad off.

 

Even though riyad didn't use the full potential of that counter, that lay off to slim is just mouth watering!

 

 

 

 

Those were just what I got from the first half (analyzing the full match would take a long time)

 

Points that I got from the rewatch: conte had a tactical master-class. he knew where our strongest creative punch comes from and he took a massive bite out of that hand, big teams have known how to nullify riyad a long time ago and the deference between us and the "big clubs" tactically is actually frightening when you look at the details of the game closely. I thought we gave them a run for their money but they had us all along

 

(plus, wes actually had an immense half, saved us from 3-4 chances which could've led to a goal)

 

 

Any ways, hopefully this post is a refreshing change from the usual posts:thumbup:

 

 

 

 

 

I know you will probably see this as a trite response with nothing to back it up.  And i'm a bit loathe to say this as your post was very interesting and lots of work has gone into it, but those particular clips dont really convince me of a lot.

 

I myself have watched games and thought 'he's being double marked', but as an excuse I really think its bollocks on reflection

 

If he is always double marked it would be so very easy to tactically manage that.  And if this was happening so much and had been happening for, what is it we've been claiming that for?  a year now?, then he would be releasing the ball a lot quicker in general.

 

I'm not saying he's terrible or that he's not trying necessarily.  I just dont buy that its the double marking and his team-mates that answer for his lack of form (as I see it)

 

BTW, I would probably accept his performances a lot more if he didnt want to leave so much. 

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3 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

He's great for a club like us. Shows us moments of pure brilliance but is far too inconsistent to play for a top 4 club. 

 

Think we should consider ditching the 4-4-2. Hopefully can free him up to focus more on attack and less on having to get back. 

That will come with Silva. You can't have your wingers spending more time in their own third than in the opponent's and seeing the ball once every 8-10 minutes in generally poor conditions.

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59 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

I'm actually scared if he leaves and scared if he stays. We know he is going to leave, January or next summer. So we should be busy building a team without him. However to do that means we need to play gray and imo he isn't good enough. That may be becuz he lacks skill or because he needs more than just his 10 min cameos. 

 

I think its a tuff time for Shakey as he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. 

Shakey has made a rod for his own back.

 

The time to give Gray a run was when we were safe last season with 5 or 6 games to go, for the very reasons you have outlined.

 

Mahrez hadn't picked up form like most of the others. Instead of pandering to the Mahrez ego it would have been an ideal time to give him a kick up the arse, and test Gray over a reasonable period.

 

Totally brainless to leave things; the status quo achieved nothing, to the detriment of the team.

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21 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Shakey has made a rod for his own back.

 

The time to give Gray a run was when we were safe last season with 5 or 6 games to go, for the very reasons you have outlined.

 

Mahrez hadn't picked up form like most of the others. Instead of pandering to the Mahrez ego it would have been an ideal time to give him a kick up the arse, and test Gray over a reasonable period.

 

Totally brainless to leave things; the status quo achieved nothing, to the detriment of the team.

Yup totally agree... although i would imagine the reasons behind not replacing Mahrez last season when we were safe, was to try to get top 10 finish. I personally think it would have been worth the punt. 

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2 hours ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I know you will probably see this as a trite response with nothing to back it up.  And i'm a bit loathe to say this as your post was very interesting and lots of work has gone into it, but those particular clips dont really convince me of a lot.

Those are just a few clips of one half from one match, its hardly that convincing lol

If I could (and if mahrez plays good vs Huddersfield) I will do another one comparing the little deferences between the two games. And I think it would be more interesting if he doesn't play in the first half, that will give me a lot to work with so I can compare between the team with and without him.

 

 

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