Collymore Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 9 minutes ago, elvisfmcfly said: Hamer is a decent 3rd keeper for now until one of the younger lads is ready,and with Mahrez willing to take a big pay cut to leave us it suggests money won't fix it and he just doesn't want to be here anymore. Hamer is championship quality (at a push) and a decent 3rd keeper for a team that is treading water. Imagine we get into the FA cup final next year but Jakupavic picks up a nasty injury and is out for the season. Kasper picks up a red card and is suspended for the final. We're now relying on Hamer to bring us our next ultimate trophy. Frighning thought. Also money always talks Conversation would go like this to Mahrez "Step into my office Ryiad, I'm shocked that teams arnt matching our valuation, to be honest, I was worried that we might have valued you too low. Anyhow, I think you need to stay another season and pursue your dream of play for a truly big club like Barca. " "Im sorry, but I've made my decision, I want to leave" "Well we're about to sign Siggs from Swansea and was hoping you could help improve him as a player, we're paying him 125k a week, obviously you're twice the player he is so I'd be looking to pay you 250k next season...." "Do you know what, maybe I haven't thought this all through, I'll speak to my agent and I'm sure we can get something sorted" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleckneymike Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 18 minutes ago, Collymore said: Totally agree. If we're ever going to go on to the next level and become a consistent champions league team we need to be ruthless with axing some from the squad. Hamer, Benny, Amartay, Mendy, Lawrence, Ulloa and King (possibly a few more) all need to be binned and replaced with extra quality. We should also offer Mahrez 200 to 250k a week and doing everything in our power to keep him. But we can't offer those wages. League rules restrict what clubs can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 7 minutes ago, fleckneymike said: But we can't offer those wages. League rules restrict what clubs can offer. What specific rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 59 minutes ago, Collymore said: Totally agree. If we're ever going to go on to the next level and become a consistent champions league team we need to be ruthless with axing some from the squad. Hamer, Benny, Amartay, Mendy, Lawrence, Ulloa and King (possibly a few more) all need to be binned and replaced with extra quality. We should also offer Mahrez 200 to 250k a week and doing everything in our power to keep him. I absolutely love Mahrez and am desperate for us to keep him, but if you genuinely think we should i offer him that much a week you're insane! It would be financial suicide and would unsettle every other 1st team player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonthefox Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 12 minutes ago, Collymore said: What specific rule? The 'don't waste your money on want aways ' one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep blue Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 57 minutes ago, elvisfmcfly said: Hamer is a decent 3rd keeper for now until one of the younger lads is ready,and with Mahrez willing to take a big pay cut to leave us it suggests money won't fix it and he just doesn't want to be here anymore. I'm not convinced Mahrez is genuinely prepared to take a wage cut. I suspect his agent is leading Roma on in order to hurry Arsenal up. I feel that Arsenal is the destination he's set his heart on. I'm perplexed that he appears so adamant that he wants to leave us. I get his Champs league ambitions and his possible feelings that there isn't enough quality on the pitch supporting him, but he must be aware that with our owners' ambition there will be strong attempts to rectify both, and that last season was just a hiccup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 8 minutes ago, tomtom said: I absolutely love Mahrez and am desperate for us to keep him, but if you genuinely think we should i offer him that much a week you're insane! It would be financial suicide and would unsettle every other 1st team player 250k a week is 12m a year. We already pay him about £6m so is an extra £6m on top. You seriously telling me an extra £6m to keep our most gifted and talented player, ever, a year would be financial suicide? Are you insane? Also the other players can **** off if they cant see how special he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 A player like Silva wouldn't like our style of play. The ball would spend more time over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 2 minutes ago, Collymore said: 250k a week is 12m a year. We already pay him about £6m so is an extra £6m on top. You seriously telling me an extra £6m to keep our most gifted and talented player, ever, a year would be financial suicide? Are you insane? Also the other players can **** off if they cant see how special he is. So Kasper , Ndidi, Drinkwater, and Vardy etc can all **** off if they're not happy with Mahrez being paid more than twice as much as them a week ?? Ok pal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Nacho Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 Can't see why on earth he'd come here, or anywhere like West Brom if Spurs are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 4 minutes ago, Collymore said: 250k a week is 12m a year. We already pay him about £6m so is an extra £6m on top. You seriously telling me an extra £6m to keep our most gifted and talented player, ever, a year would be financial suicide? Are you insane? Also the other players can **** off if they cant see how special he is. Your logic only works, if the bit on bold works... and we both know it won't and that's the problem in even offering 200-250k a week. If you do it once, other players will look to go to that region themselves. Not disagreeing that the club should show a desire to keep Mahrez - but money won't be the key, what will be is a feeling we are going in the right direction for at least the short term. The other consideration you should have in mind - even if 200k a week kept him for now, that would only likely to be for a season and he'd be off after that and the higher wages would possibly effect the fee we could get then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayfox26 Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 48 minutes ago, Collymore said: Hamer is championship quality (at a push) and a decent 3rd keeper for a team that is treading water. Imagine we get into the FA cup final next year but Jakupavic picks up a nasty injury and is out for the season. Kasper picks up a red card and is suspended for the final. We're now relying on Hamer to bring us our next ultimate trophy. Frighning thought. Also money always talks Conversation would go like this to Mahrez "Step into my office Ryiad, I'm shocked that teams arnt matching our valuation, to be honest, I was worried that we might have valued you too low. Anyhow, I think you need to stay another season and pursue your dream of play for a truly big club like Barca. " "Im sorry, but I've made my decision, I want to leave" "Well we're about to sign Siggs from Swansea and was hoping you could help improve him as a player, we're paying him 125k a week, obviously you're twice the player he is so I'd be looking to pay you 250k next season...." "Do you know what, maybe I haven't thought this all through, I'll speak to my agent and I'm sure we can get something sorted" It is hard enough having a good 2nd choice keeper but having a really good 3rd choice is just being ridiculous. No way could a team outside the top 5 or 6 have 3 top keepers on their books and keep them happy. And even the top teams have had some shockers. City had Pantillimon, Chelsea had that dodgy foreign guy as 3rd choice for a while. I'd only let Hamer leave if we had an able youngster at the club but i don't think we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 Can he pass back as effectively as King or Drinkwater though?? Not spending the money until during an attack the ball goes back to Kasper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 16 minutes ago, tomtom said: So Kasper , Ndidi, Drinkwater, and Vardy etc can all **** off if they're not happy with Mahrez being paid more than twice as much as them a week ?? Ok pal ? Vardy and all strikers would get a £2.5 bonus for 15 goals, £5m bonus if he hits 20 goals and £7.5m if he hits 25 and £10m for 30 Kasper would be given a small wage increase Drinky would be ignored and probably be replaced by James Ndidi just wouldn't be bothered anyway, and told he is still developing he did ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvisfmcfly Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 53 minutes ago, Collymore said: Hamer is championship quality (at a push) and a decent 3rd keeper for a team that is treading water. Imagine we get into the FA cup final next year but Jakupavic picks up a nasty injury and is out for the season. Kasper picks up a red card and is suspended for the final. We're now relying on Hamer to bring us our next ultimate trophy. Frighning thought. Also money always talks Conversation would go like this to Mahrez "Step into my office Ryiad, I'm shocked that teams arnt matching our valuation, to be honest, I was worried that we might have valued you too low. Anyhow, I think you need to stay another season and pursue your dream of play for a truly big club like Barca. " "Im sorry, but I've made my decision, I want to leave" "Well we're about to sign Siggs from Swansea and was hoping you could help improve him as a player, we're paying him 125k a week, obviously you're twice the player he is so I'd be looking to pay you 250k next season...." "Do you know what, maybe I haven't thought this all through, I'll speak to my agent and I'm sure we can get something sorted" That's a lot of ifs,it's unlikely we'll get a better keeper than hamer willing to be number 3,does anyone else have a great number 3? Look at Liverpool,their number 2 ain't great. refering to Mahrez,I'm not sure any of that is realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell sprout Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 1 hour ago, Collymore said: We should also offer Mahrez 200 to 250k a week and doing everything in our power to keep him. Are you for real,player wants out,so double his salary???? then he'll give a shit won't he, and you won't moan when your season ticket price doubles will you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 13 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: It is hard enough having a good 2nd choice keeper but having a really good 3rd choice is just being ridiculous. No way could a team outside the top 5 or 6 have 3 top keepers on their books and keep them happy. And even the top teams have had some shockers. City had Pantillimon, Chelsea had that dodgy foreign guy as 3rd choice for a while. I'd only let Hamer leave if we had an able youngster at the club but i don't think we have. That's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayfox26 Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 1 minute ago, Collymore said: That's my point. You said hes a decent 3rd choice for a team treading water which kind of suggests you feel we should get a better 3rd choice keeper. I think goalkeeper is the only position we definitely don't need to sign anyone. Unless of course kasper leaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 9 minutes ago, Russell sprout said: Are you for real,player wants out,so double his salary???? then he'll give a shit won't he, and you won't moan when your season ticket price doubles will you?? I think he would be professional and try his heart out. Possibly motivated by getting to the point where Barca would be interested. Don't buy this "he didn't try last season" opposition were doubling and trebbling up on him freeing up space for others. He did much better in CL where teams were perhaps a little more naive when marking him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMELcfc Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 If Silva rumours true a CM has to be on his way out. My guess is Mendy, but drinkwater should be benched. Had an amazing season with N'golo but since then, poor. James has been better in preseason, give him a chance? King is a bit part player but with Iborra now here I don't see him even making the bench. Time to go? Surely we need a right back more than another CM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunyip Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 24 minutes ago, Collymore said: 250k a week is 12m a year. We already pay him about £6m so is an extra £6m on top. You seriously telling me an extra £6m to keep our most gifted and talented player, ever, a year would be financial suicide? Are you insane? Also the other players can **** off if they cant see how special he is. It's the effect on the other players with that sort of anomaly in a wages structure. Once the rest see him on that kind of money and then see him half arsed and not bothering like last season it would ruin everything we have built up at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 9 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: You said hes a decent 3rd choice for a team treading water which kind of suggests you feel we should get a better 3rd choice keeper. I think goalkeeper is the only position we definitely don't need to sign anyone. Unless of course kasper leaves If we are to become a top 4 side then we need to release Hamer and get someone better in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 23 July 2017 Author Share Posted 23 July 2017 If he can pass forward in the middle of an attack and not pass back to Morgan for a hoof special, consistently then he's better than anything we have in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joachim1965 Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 1 hour ago, Collymore said: 250k a week is 12m a year. We already pay him about £6m so is an extra £6m on top. You seriously telling me an extra £6m to keep our most gifted and talented player, ever, a year would be financial suicide? Are you insane? Also the other players can **** off if they cant see how special he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 8 minutes ago, Bunyip said: It's the effect on the other players with that sort of anomaly in a wages structure. Once the rest see him on that kind of money and then see him half arsed and not bothering like last season it would ruin everything we have built up at the club. ...but there's no one who can do what he does, not even close. Gray is one of my favourite players but he doesnt come close to Mahrez. He's the only player we have ever had that is capable of being a game winner against any team in the world. That costs money to have that in your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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