foxes21 Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 3 minutes ago, brucey said: So 30m Slimani won't play at all unless Vardy gets injured, and it's basically the end of the road for Okazaki? Would make more sense if we'd heard whisperings about us trying to sell Slim or Oka, but nothing at all so far, maybe we will.... Yeah to be honest this could all be a load of rubbish and just paper talk. I can't see Okazaki being sold. Slimani? hard to say. Also what will happen with Ulloa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 1 minute ago, UniFox21 said: Can't see Oka being sold, he's too integral i'd say. Can't see Slim going either I can't see either player going as well. Which is why I can't understand why we're in for Deeney, and it's doing my head in. Think I'll check back in a couple days to see what's happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Slimani to Sporting swap with Gelson Martins in to replace Mahrez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Just now, brucey said: I can't see either player going as well. Which is why I can't understand why we're in for Deeney, and it's doing my head in. Think I'll check back in a couple days to see what's happened Genuinely scratching my head how he'd fit into our team anywhere at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Just now, ttfn said: It's obviously not sustainable. In any line of business spending money on high value assets which generate no return is not sustainable. The only way it can be sustainable is if he personally generates £20 million + of value on the pitch (plus his wages over the length of the contract). This may be facilitated through an ever-growing TV deal, his leadership helping to bring more out of other assets or a variety of other means but I really struggle to believe that this makes any financial sense. There's so little upside to this and all in this is a transfer which could cost us £35 million or so after fees and wages. There is a return, the return is generated by staying in the league as I've already started and the revenue that generates. Yoi're also looking at the transfer singular rather than the transfer strategy as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 2 minutes ago, The_77 said: We're set to make a nifty profit on players like Gray, Chilwell, Ndidi, Albrighton if we ever sell them. Which is great but why buy someone you know you're going to lose money on. I can accept we don't need to make a profit on every player but if we're going to spend this kind of money and write it off then do it on a player who will make a difference and not on someone who will be a decent but unspectacular player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Earle Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Are you guys all spending your own money?!! I simply dont get why anyone wouldn't want Deeney here! He's class & a clear upgrade on Shinji. Yes, we'd have the generational problem with him, Slim & Vards all of an age. But we'd have Iheanacho, Gray & possibly Barnes & Lawrence behind, & transfer windows aplenty to come to sort that. Please #lcfc, sign Deeney AND Iheanacho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 16 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: This very much depends on which Deeney shows up, if its the Deeney who actually cares and puts in big shifts im all for it, if like the one for all of last year, not a fan at all So you're not a fan of Mahrez either then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Just now, weller54 said: So you're not a fan of Mahrez either then? That man is a hero, yet you can be sat in the ground watching the game and genuinely wonder what the hell is going through his head at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Just now, Babylon said: There is a return, the return is generated by staying in the league as I've already started and the revenue that generates. Yoi're also looking at the transfer singular rather than the transfer strategy as a whole. I'm not, I've acknowledged that in my post. Deeney has to add (in some way, shape or form), an incremental £35 million + over his contract to make it worthwhile. That may be through bringing the best out of others or it may be through his performances directly. Is he worth an extra £35 million over the next 4 years to us? Really? I don't see it however it's dressed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 5 minutes ago, Gerard said: If we bought two £30m players I would expect us to sell one for £50m and one for £10m a few years down the line which would be break even on transfer fees. Buying Deeney is like buying a brand new car, you know it's not worth what you paid for it as soon as you drive it off the forecourt. Well you could sell both for £10m and be even more out of pocket. We clearly take a mixed view in terms of transfers, some risks with high potential returns, some low risk with low potential returns. So long as that continues that's not the end of the world. As I said we've got plenty of potenial returns from the likes of gray, maguire, n'didi. If we got another young striker or defender also in this window we're not straying too far down the no potential resale value path with the squad as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steflcfc Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 If the fee for Deeney is correct, we're could've paying paying a good 5m over the odds, but it's pennies to Billionaires!! But if we're going to play 3-4-3, Vardy as the main CF with Slimani and Deeney either side, defences would take a battering in the air and still have to take on Vardy with his pace and all 3 would defend from the front. It could be an interesting Trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozwin Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Money is crazy in football now. It's impossible to say how much anyone is truly worth anymore. Just roll with it and hope for the best. I like to think Shakespeare has a good handle on it all personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 5 minutes ago, ttfn said: I'm not, I've acknowledged that in my post. Deeney has to add (in some way, shape or form), an incremental £35 million + over his contract to make it worthwhile. That may be through bringing the best out of others or it may be through his performances directly. Is he worth an extra £35 million over the next 4 years to us? Really? I don't see it however it's dressed up. He doesn't have to add anything other than helping us stay in the league, that is quite simply the long and short of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
los dedos Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 I wonder if Deeney is a "players pick"It's often said that Pearson asked the players who was the toughest player they faced in the promotion season and they went for Ulloa. Maybe they rate him and think he would be a good fit and if Shakespeare does too.Bada bing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Remember how much Deeney loved us when he did that excellent MOTD analysis? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35955616 I reckon he'd fit in perfectly here. Him and Vards would be Chavtastic together up front. It's a yes from me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 7 minutes ago, steflcfc said: If the fee for Deeney is correct, we're could've paying paying a good 5m over the odds, but it's pennies to Billionaires!! But if we're going to play 3-4-3, Vardy as the main CF with Slimani and Deeney either side, defences would take a battering in the air and still have to take on Vardy with his pace and all 3 would defend from the front. It could be an interesting Trio. Deeney and Slimani out wide of a front three... vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicesterlad1989 Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 8 minutes ago, steflcfc said: If the fee for Deeney is correct, we're could've paying paying a good 5m over the odds, but it's pennies to Billionaires!! But if we're going to play 3-4-3, Vardy as the main CF with Slimani and Deeney either side, defences would take a battering in the air and still have to take on Vardy with his pace and all 3 would defend from the front. It could be an interesting Trio. Mate, those players in that formation wouldnt even work on Fifa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasticMrFox&Son Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 It's a YES from me, probably one of the best football brains for laying off to his strike partner, Ighalo was blessed to play alongside Deeney. Also great in aerial combat, a defenders nightmare to play against and can stick a penalty down the keepers throat. £20+ million sounds like silly money but this is the 2017-2018 Premier League awash with money, we're not in the Championship anymore. Maguire, Iborra, Deeney ?, Iheanacho ? Plus another young CB (Gibson) and a creative midfielder (Boudabouz) and I'd say a good window with the development signings added in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirkster the Fox Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 Lets not forget he's also Captain of Watford as well. Leaders.... Same as Maguire, Iborra, Gibson......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Away Move Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 **** all you doom merchants, I think he could be brilliant for us. We'll be a right team of nasty bastards to play against and no little skill. Gerrimin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 11 minutes ago, Babylon said: He doesn't have to add anything other than helping us stay in the league, that is quite simply the long and short of it. That's just not true. If that is our ambition and we'd stay in the league with Okazaki (who we already have contracted) instead of Deeney then signing Deeney for £25 million is a waste of £25 million. Management have to make a decision as to whether he is incrementally worth that amount to the club. If they think that spending £25 million on Deeney is the difference between us staying up or going down, or the difference between a successful implementation of a strategy for staying up or going down, then yes your point stands. But saying "all he has to do is help us stay up" is unbelievably reductive and misses the not particularly subtle point that a) we already have players capable of delivering that and b) there are always other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 14 minutes ago, los dedos said: I wonder if Deeney is a "players pick"It's often said that Pearson asked the players who was the toughest player they faced in the promotion season and they went for Ulloa. Maybe they rate him and think he would be a good fit and if Shakespeare does too.Bada bing! Funnily enough I was wondering this about Iborra earlier. Surely the players would at least have been consulted prior to bidding... would seem silly not to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfosse Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: He doesn't have to add anything other than helping us stay in the league, that is quite simply the long and short of it. Absolutely this. The financial gains of handling the here and now in the Premier League blows making profits on transfers out of the water. But if you are concerned about that, we have loads to compensate for this loss; Kasper, Chilwell, Maguire, Albrighton, N'Didi, Drinkwater, James, Amartey, Barnes, Gray, Mahrez, Vardy, Lawrence even Andy King would all sell for more than we purchased them for. Not to mention Kante, Schlupp, Nugent, De Laet, Wood who, when you add it all up, we have made a fortune on over the years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie the Fox Posted 4 July 2017 Share Posted 4 July 2017 19 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Remember how much Deeney loved us when he did that excellent MOTD analysis? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35955616 I reckon he'd fit in perfectly here. Him and Vards would be Chavtastic together up front. It's a yes from me... That was a great read, he was very complementary towards us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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