sdb Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 People saying he's a championship player? That's a complete piss take. Good enough for us as an aspiring European team? Probably not. But are you seriously saying he wouldn't strengthen Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley, Stoke, Swansea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 15 minutes ago, sdb said: People saying he's a championship player? That's a complete piss take. Good enough for us as an aspiring European team? Probably not. But are you seriously saying he wouldn't strengthen Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley, Stoke, Swansea? Agreed. Look at all the players who've scored double figures for us in a Premier League season: 24 - Vardy - 15/16 17 - Mahrez - 15/16 13 - Vardy - 16/17 13 - Cottee - 99/00 12 - Ferdinand - 03/04 12 - Claridge - 96/97 11 - Ulloa - 14/15 11 - Dickov - 03/04 10 - Cottee - 98/99 10 - Heskey - 96/97 10 - Heskey - 97/98 And how every other player in that list besides Ulloa is pretty widely regarded as having been a very good player for us and how players who get 10 or 11 goals in the top flight for any side outside the top 6 can be tough to come by. We've still never had anyone net more than 13 times outside our title winning season. Whereas I could quite easily see Ulloa grabbing 10 goals for a club like Burnley or Brighton or someone if he played every week. Yes we've outgrown him but I agree it's harsh to call him Championship quality. I still think he'd have more than a part to play and could hit double figures (which can be the difference between staying up and going down) in a relegation battling side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gliballs Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 4 minutes ago, sdb said: People saying he's a championship player? That's a complete piss take. Good enough for us as an aspiring European team? Probably not. But are you seriously saying he wouldn't strengthen Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley, Stoke, Swansea? Actually yes, from a starting 11 point atleast. The guy deserves more praise and respect than he gets from the majority of fans in my opinion. Solid in his first season, and scored some crucial goals and showed some real bottle in the title winning season too. Not to mention his defensive efforts at set pieces when he's come off the bench have often been overlooked by many, and have been equally as crucial with the way some results went as his goals were. Having said that, he's one of those players who's form and ability has fallen off a cliff as time has gone by, to the point he's no longer a premier league quality striker at any end of the table, and I mean that with tremendous respect for the guy, he just can't put himself about enough to have any real impact on the game in an advanced position, very much how Heskey went later in his career. Does he deserve the new contract? Well yes in my opinion. That's if he's willing to cash in his cheque in return for being a 4th choice insurance policy, who's game time will be reduced to little more than cup games to rest legs. It's a similar situation to having Ben Hamer, is he good enough to be starting premier league games? no, he probably isn't. Do we need a second backup keeper if Kasper gets injured? Absolutely we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 20 minutes ago, sdb said: People saying he's a championship player? That's a complete piss take. Good enough for us as an aspiring European team? Probably not. But are you seriously saying he wouldn't strengthen Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley, Stoke, Swansea? He is atrocious now, his game has declined so much from his first two seasons with us, that's the issue. No-one is questioning how useful he was those first two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcsnow Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 16 minutes ago, Sampson said: Look at all the players who've scored double figures for us in a Premier League season: 24 - Vardy - 15/16 17 - Mahrez - 15/16 13 - Vardy - 16/17 13 - Cottee - 99/00 12 - Ferdinand - 03/04 12 - Claridge - 96/97 11 - Ulloa - 14/15 11 - Dickov - 03/04 10 - Cottee - 98/99 10 - Heskey - 96/97 10 - Heskey - 97/98 And how every other player in that list besides Ulloa is pretty widely regarded as having been a very good player for us These all moved on when the time was right though, it's unfair to compare. If Claridge and Cottee were offered the chance to extend their contract despite being out of choice due to age or lack of goals as it was, maybe. But they moved on. He's either got this deal to keep Iborra company (as he did with Cambiasso) or Shakespeare is looking after his mate as he is with Appleton and Hamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said: Interestingly, you weren't my audience. Is this a more polite word for "go away"? cool! Was just joking and you took it the wrong way, have it your way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 Some people are misunderstanding "legacy" for "ability", he was a good servant for the club but its time to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 35 minutes ago, sdb said: People saying he's a championship player? That's a complete piss take. Good enough for us as an aspiring European team? Probably not. But are you seriously saying he wouldn't strengthen Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley, Stoke, Swansea? No, I don't think he would and 3 of them are probably championship teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 7 minutes ago, FIF said: No, I don't think he would and 3 of them are probably championship teams. If they're in the premier league then they're premier league teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 27 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: He is atrocious now, his game has declined so much from his first two seasons with us, that's the issue. No-one is questioning how useful he was those first two seasons. Did you watch him against Atl Madrid in the 2nd half? Troubled them no end. He is great to have in the squad as he knows his place and is an option if we need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 Players that dont start or play the full 90 minutes regularly invariably lose form and take some time to get back up to their previous standard. Whether this is a case with Ulloa who knows in fact we'll probably never know unless we have a massive injury crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 Nobody is questioning his service to the club. First sesson he was great. Second season he scored some crucial goals and showed incredible bottle. Last season he looked so immobile and out of his depth. To give him a new contract when hrs 4th/5th choice is bizarre. He has declined so much he no longer is Premier League standard. His form and ability has completely gone off the rails. Love the man. Will always cherish his goals against Norwich, Swansea and West Ham in the title winning season, and his chant is my favourite one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chico1958 Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 If it was a toss up between him or Slim Slim wins every time ......... But if he's what Shakespeare has agreed then that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clever Fox Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 He's clearly decided to accept the money over playing. You can't blame him really. There's no one who will pay him more than he'll get here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfoxkev Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 1 hour ago, Viva said: Did you watch him against Atl Madrid in the 2nd half? Troubled them no end. He is great to have in the squad as he knows his place and is an option if we need him. Exactly and as I have pointed out a few times since Tuesday he was very effective in the 2nd half against Sheffield Utd and played a major role in 3 of the 4 goals....With regard to his hissy fit last year it seems to me that his gripe was with Claudio . Any photos of him recently on training ground or playing he seems very happy and rest of squad and back room staff look happy with him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 Surely this means that another forward is set to leave? Unless the club have offered Slimani a new contract, as well, to make him stay but hasn't signed yet. It does seem strange, and quite out of the blue as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 2 hours ago, the fox said: Is this a more polite word for "go away"? cool! Was just joking and you took it the wrong way, have it your way No, it means 'I wasn't getting at you.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 This one of the funniest threads I have ever read. X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 14 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: No, it means 'I wasn't getting at you.' I knew , was just joking because of the most "tedious" poster part in the other thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 2 hours ago, Koke said: Nobody is questioning his service to the club. First sesson he was great. Second season he scored some crucial goals and showed incredible bottle. Last season he looked so immobile and out of his depth. To give him a new contract when hrs 4th/5th choice is bizarre. He has declined so much he no longer is Premier League standard. His form and ability has completely gone off the rails. Love the man. Will always cherish his goals against Norwich, Swansea and West Ham in the title winning season, and his chant is my favourite one. Assuming he is happy to be 4th/5th choice (which seems to be the case) and assuming the club is happy to have 4 or 5 strikers. Can you name a better 5th choice in the entire division? X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 24 August 2017 Share Posted 24 August 2017 I'm glad he stayed but I have no idea why he stayed. He's the fourth choice striker. And he must know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeGuy Posted 25 August 2017 Share Posted 25 August 2017 On 23.08.2017 at 20:40, brucey said: We're keeping both. What for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigga Posted 25 August 2017 Share Posted 25 August 2017 9 hours ago, RumbleFox said: Assuming he is happy to be 4th/5th choice (which seems to be the case) and assuming the club is happy to have 4 or 5 strikers. Can you name a better 5th choice in the entire division? X Arsenal - Perez / Walcott Liverpool - Ings (when fit) I'm happy with him being 5th choice hoping that he won't actually play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 25 August 2017 Share Posted 25 August 2017 8 minutes ago, Rigga said: Arsenal - Perez / Walcott Liverpool - Ings (when fit) I'm happy with him being 5th choice hoping that he won't actually play! So we are not in bad company then? I feel like probably we need 4 strikers and, in an ideal world, that would probably be Vardy, Okazaki, Iheanacho and Slimai, maybe with some development guys given some minutes. And probably, Ulloa might be best to move on and get more game time. However, if he is happy to stay I am all for it as I still think he is an option off the bench and, as proved in the cup, he might be useful for resting the first choice guys. The issue, I think, is Slimani. I really, really like him and think he would score 20 goals if started all season but he is behind Vardy and cannot do what Okazaki (and hopefully Iheanacho) can do so it is a difficult situation. I dunno, I don't mind people thinking he should move on, just wish there was a little more class on this forum sometimes (not aimed at you, I love you). X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samilktray Posted 25 August 2017 Share Posted 25 August 2017 You have to be a moron to think this is in any way a good decision by this football club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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