Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[Parafox]

Just now, Samilktray said:

Nah he’s definitely bad 

There's definitely better and I never really understood his music as I generally zoned out previously but listening to his mainstream, he's got something that resonates.

 

I do prefer Stormzy, though

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

6 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

Nah he’s definitely bad 

"Now you get to watch her leave out the window, guess that's why they call it window pain" would say otherwise

[Samilktray]

8 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

"Now you get to watch her leave out the window, guess that's why they call it window pain" would say otherwise

Like a fvck you for Christmas, his gift is a curse 

[FoxesDeb]

41 minutes ago, Parafox said:

When you actually listen to the lyrics, Eminem isn't a bad "modern" rap poet.

 

And I'm 67.

He is the only artist in his genre that I have paid to regularly listen to,  so on that basis I agree

[The Bear]

I like Busta Ryhmes for the lolz of his lyrics. 

[Wymsey]

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

[The Bear]

1 minute ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

Unless it's an emergency and Ambulance job, you should have to phone the NHS services explain what the issue is and get a code that you give to the A&E desk. Or you don't get treated. 

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

No. I will never agree with this. Emergency health care should be a human right, wherever said human has originated from.

[Jimothy]

6 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

I don't think that's the answer because you just scare people away who are already struggling with money. We don't want to discourage people from going to the doctors and A+E, it should always be free, we just need to educate people on what they need to use it for, especially A+E.

 

Doctors receptionist already ask you what's wrong and we have triage at hospitals so no pointless cases should be clogging up the system, but of GPs and nurses are the ones who pick up socials issue that would be missed otherwise.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

14 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

 

Christ almighty

[TJQuik]

16 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

Completely vile opinion, but we're going to end up with such a destitute NHS (which is basically just a logo for a system run by private companies) that we'll be forced to shell out for 3rd party private care to avoid waiting 3 weeks for a phone call about our shotgun wound to the stomach. Is that close enough for you?

[Chelmofox]

20 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

Who decides what constitutes 'abuse it somewhat unnecessarily'.  Presumably Priti Patel?

[Wymsey]

I should've written that more clear - charge those who end up in A and E for injuries due to their own fault ; for example, a drunk person coming in to get cuts/gashes treated after falling over etc..

 

I've worked in the NHS for nearly 5 years and have known colleagues working in A and E treating drunk patients etc. for very minor things.

[bovril]

1 minute ago, Wymsey said:

I should've written that more clear - charge those who end up in A and E for injuries due to their own fault ; for example, a drunk person coming in to get cuts/gashes treated after falling over etc..

 

I've worked in the NHS for nearly 5 years and have known colleagues working in A and E treating drunk patients etc. for very minor things.

one of the answers in my opinion lies with making us a healthier nation. And I don't think the poor condition I see so many people in is necessarily their individual fault when they've grown up in a society which seems not to place much emphasis on healthy living. I thought that Covid might kick start that but if anything things seem to have got worse; most of my neighbours in London appear to exist almost solely on takeaways.

 

We are elderly sickly nation and I don't think people are aware of what kind of choices that will lead us having to make in the future

[FoxesDeb]

22 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

I should've written that more clear - charge those who end up in A and E for injuries due to their own fault ; for example, a drunk person coming in to get cuts/gashes treated after falling over etc..

 

I've worked in the NHS for nearly 5 years and have known colleagues working in A and E treating drunk patients etc. for very minor things.

It's still a no from me, sorry. Educate people and try to stop them arriving in the first place, yes. Charging them when they do end up there, no

[Jimothy]

4 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

It's still a no from me, sorry. Educate people and try to stop them arriving in the first place, yes. Charging them when they do end up there, no

Almost sounding like a "lefty" there Deb 

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, Facecloth said:

Almost sounding like a "lefty" there Deb 

Funnily enough I am becoming more and more aware of that too  Shame @Buce  isn't around anymore to see it!

[MPH]

2 hours ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

 

It could be argued that the A&E saves the NHS a lot of money in so much as it can prevent health concerns escalating to the extend that someone would need a lengthy stay in hospital. Restricting access would only deter people from seeking  urgent care until  a time that inpatient care is unavoidable.

Edited 8 March 2023 by MPH

[Sampson]

2 hours ago, Wymsey said:

I should've written that more clear - charge those who end up in A and E for injuries due to their own fault ; for example, a drunk person coming in to get cuts/gashes treated after falling over etc..

 

I've worked in the NHS for nearly 5 years and have known colleagues working in A and E treating drunk patients etc. for very minor things.

How is someone falling over when drunk “their own fault” though? And on what legal grounds could you really assess someone in care whether they need help or not.

 

Someone had too much alcohol and enjoyed themselves? What’s wrong with that? Yeah they fell over which intoxicated but it’s not like they fell over deliberately.

 

You can’t take people’s right to enjoy themselves away by forcing medical bills on them. Getting really drunk isn’t everyone’s idea of having fun for sure it’s not mine, but for plenty of people it is. Why would you rake that away from them?

 

It just totally encourages people who actually need to use the nhs, not to use it.

 

And how does that expand to mental health issues? Should someone who tried to commit suicide not get medical help because they can’t afford it as it was “their own fault” they got injured? Even when plenty who survive suicide attempts are thankful they survived?

Edited 8 March 2023 by Sampson

[Free Falling Foxes]

3 hours ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

There are, unfortunately, those who maliciously call the emergency services, including ambulances of course.

Rarely, as I understand it, are deliberate time wasters prosecuted. I think they should be.

@Parafoxmay know better of course.

One chap I once was referred would call for an ambulance 3 or 4 times/day. Potential prosecution was never really considered for whatever reason however. That said, he would be really deceitful in how he did it. Often, he would just lie in the street and, inevitability,  a member of the public would call for help. He would then argue he hadn't called for an ambulance.

Edited 8 March 2023 by Free Falling Foxes

[Zear0]

2 hours ago, Wymsey said:

I should've written that more clear - charge those who end up in A and E for injuries due to their own fault ; for example, a drunk person coming in to get cuts/gashes treated after falling over etc..

 

I've worked in the NHS for nearly 5 years and have known colleagues working in A and E treating drunk patients etc. for very minor things.

Just to clarify under this regime, does this include:

Sporting/outdoor pursuit activities

Kids playing

Social driving

Carelessness work accidents? 

 

Respect for the unpopular opinion. You know you've done well to get this level of ambush. 

Edited 8 March 2023 by Zear0

[Free Falling Foxes]

3 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Just to clarify under this regime, does this include:

Sporting/outdoor pursuit activities

Kids playing

Social driving

Carelessness work accidents? 

 

Respect for the unpopular opinion. You know you've done well to get this level of ambush. 

Treatment is based on clinical need, irrespective of how it was caused.

I have sympathy for @Wymseyviews however, though they would be nigh on impossible to implement.

It is understandable that you might get irritated to say the least, if someone's behaviour is culpable to how they received their injury and therefore adding to the wait for an ambulance or queue at A&E. Especially, if your aged relative, who is also in need of medical help, is waiting, and possibly dying, because of the delay.

We were at A&E with my elderly Father in Law some months ago. He really needed to lay down but had to make do with a chair. Meanwhile, a staff member referred to a fella lying on a trolley who often presents with 'chest pains'. He will then be declared medically ok and discharged

What can we do about folk like that?

[ozleicester]

3 hours ago, Wymsey said:

I should've written that more clear - charge those who end up in A and E for injuries due to their own fault ; for example, a drunk person coming in to get cuts/gashes treated after falling over etc..

 

I've worked in the NHS for nearly 5 years and have known colleagues working in A and E treating drunk patients etc. for very minor things.

smokers = cancer
red meat = cancer
take away eaters = obesity

Just a few "own fault" people prevented from attention

[MPH]

4 hours ago, Wymsey said:

There should be a charge for patients to access the A and E, GP services etc., in particular those who abuse it somewhat unnecessarily.

 

Forgot to add… there already is a charge! It’s called the National insurance .  Once you start putting blanket ‘taxes’ like that, you can’t really choose who does and doesn’t get to use it. Don’t forget the tax on petrol of 55p per litre! The US pays a fraction of that. Plus VAT at 20% ( in North Carolina the sales tax is 7%)

 

I wonder what it is that costs so much to warrant the high taxes?!?

 

anyway my point is people DO pay for the NHS and you’d be treading on very shaky ground limiting its access based on socioeconomic choices that people make..

[Daggers]

All A&E needs is a volunteer Dad to sit on a chair outside prior to triage. 
 

“Is it probably fatal? No? **** off home and take a paracetamol or put on a plaster.”

 

Job done. 
 

Guaranteed to reduce A&E queue by 90%. 
 

Meanwhile you get another volunteer Dad to go around turning down all the thermostats and saving the NHS on heating bills. 
 

Trust me, whatever problems the NHS is facing, the answer is Dads.