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[LiberalFox]

I just don't find it sad. It's not funny either but I might have laughed at some of the dark humour being shared because we've had the whole thing absolutely rammed down our throats as though it was a monumental tragedy and not an example of people being stupid and suffering the consequences. 

 

That's on top of the fact I find it unsavory to want to gawp at the site of a tragedy where 100's of people died. So there's also massive irony there.  

 

It's typical rich narcissist behaviour.

[The Bear]

Dark humour is fine about these sorts of situations is long as it doesn't mock the people that died or their families. 

 

There are already pictures in the Funny Photos thread that are fine IMO. 

[bovril]

The death of the teenager is awful. Especially as apparently he was terrified of getting on it. What the mother is going through I can't even comprehend. 

 

But there is definitely something darkly humorous about the videos of the CEO talking about "breaking the rules" and not hiring "old white guys". Just shit he had to take other people with him. 

[The Bear]

8 minutes ago, bovril said:

The death of the teenager is awful. Especially as apparently he was terrified of getting on it. What the mother is going through I can't even comprehend. 

 

But there is definitely something darkly humorous about the videos of the CEO talking about "breaking the rules" and not hiring "old white guys". Just shit he had to take other people with him. 

At least they all knew nothing about it when it happened. The implosion at that depth/pressure would have meant instantaneous death within milliseconds. 

[grobyfox1990]

I don’t think it’s sad. I doubt those passed away think it’s sad either given their mindsets. Live by the sword die by the sword etc, if I had to choose a way to die this would probably be it, or in a drug gang shootout in Medellin. Certainly not via something debilitating disease when I’m 80 

[SpacedX]

3 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Eh, the situation is grimly funny. They tried to go to the Titanic using a submarine made from bits from Camping World and Amazon. Like if I tried to go to the top of Everest in a homemade rocket I'd put together with stuff from B&Q, and it inevitably went wrong because I'd followed literally no safety standards or certification, people would be going "lol ****ing idiot" and talking about the Darwin awards

It's not that simple though. There was a Father and Son aboard that submersible and although naive in the extreme to board that death trap and pay half a million quid in the process, they are now both dead. Perhaps they did so in blind faith, but they saw the disclaimer and as a parent, it's inconceivable that you'd expose your child to such appalling risk. Stockton Rush is now also dead, but I do expect his colleagues at Ocean Gate to face the consequences since they also have blood on their hands. The litigation and lawsuits will be lengthy and severe. The waiver is legally useless, since the submersible was so flawed, lacking in adequate certification and the operation so negligent. 

[RonnieTodger]

People are desensitised by death. It’s so pervasive on news and you’ll find that social media is awash with memes or jokes about people dying. Especially when they’re rich and/or white. 

I’m not offended by that, it’s just an observation. 

[leicsmac]

34 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

I don’t think it’s sad. I doubt those passed away think it’s sad either given their mindsets. Live by the sword die by the sword etc, if I had to choose a way to die this would probably be it, or in a drug gang shootout in Medellin. Certainly not via something debilitating disease when I’m 80 

Interesting though morbid topic for thought this.

 

Personally, I'd like my death to be quick, but bloody far away.

[Bellend Sebastian]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

The death of the teenager is awful. Especially as apparently he was terrified of getting on it. What the mother is going through I can't even comprehend. 

 

But there is definitely something darkly humorous about the videos of the CEO talking about "breaking the rules" and not hiring "old white guys". Just shit he had to take other people with him. 

Yeah, it's the loss of the lad that is particularly tragic as it sounds like he was there under at least some duress.

 

On a completely unrelated note, I did wonder if the cost of the trip might have inspired a bit of false confidence in those signing up. I'm sure designing, building and operating a deep sea submersible isn't cheap, but if I was paying a six figure sum for a trip on anything, especially one to the bottom of the sea, I'd be a bit surprised to see it operated by an Xbox controller or whatever it was, a pretty obvious cost saving. If they've saved money on that, what else have they saved money on?

 

Did they get onboard and get the same feeling as the people that pay 50 quid for a "Winter Wonderland" experience, and it's an emaciated reindeer in a pen in a car park, an inflatable snowman and a swearing, smoking elf? At least in that situation there's no danger of being crushed to atoms, although at some of these 'attractions' that might seem light relief

 

 

 

[ozleicester]

2 hours ago, Dunge said:

I don’t think anyone’s happy about the people on the sub dying*, but isn’t dark humour just something we do in this country? There’s an argument to say it’s healthy.

 

*maybe Oz.

 tbf im not "happy" about it...

Im angry that this relatively irrelevant and self induced problem has received 1000x the coverage of the deaths of the 100+ children and 400 others on a refugee boat and ...that if the selfish fvckers on that sub had used their money to help the world they alone couldve prevented it 

[grobyfox1990]

2 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

 tbf im not "happy" about it...

Im angry that this relatively irrelevant and self induced problem has received 1000x the coverage of the deaths of the 100+ children and 400 others on a refugee boat and ...that if the selfish fvckers on that sub had used their money to help the world they alone couldve prevented it 

 

Generated loads of cash though. A firm from Jersey was involved in the rescue, a huge carrier from the US landed at Jersey airport to transport the search vessel to the search area. Big money involved in that for a local firm. There'll be loads of tours and sponsorship opportunities cropping up from the deaths.

[ajthefox]

5 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

 tbf im not "happy" about it...

Im angry that this relatively irrelevant and self induced problem has received 1000x the coverage of the deaths of the 100+ children and 400 others on a refugee boat and ...that if the selfish fvckers on that sub had used their money to help the world they alone couldve prevented it 

Just a bit of a stretch there but in general I agree with the point about the migrant boat coverage. I think a lot of people feel the same.

[ozleicester]

4 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Just a bit of a stretch there but in general I agree with the point about the migrant boat coverage. I think a lot of people feel the same.

not really... 1 billion couldve put all 500 of them in a hotel for 50 years

[ealingfox]

11 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

 

Generated loads of cash though. A firm from Jersey was involved in the rescue, a huge carrier from the US landed at Jersey airport to transport the search vessel to the search area. Big money involved in that for a local firm. There'll be loads of tours and sponsorship opportunities cropping up from the deaths.

 

Give it a few weeks and OceanGate will be offering a 2 for 1 deal - buy a ticket to see the Titanic wreck and see the Titan sub wreck free!

[grobyfox1990]

10 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Give it a few weeks and OceanGate will be offering a 2 for 1 deal - buy a ticket to see the Titanic wreck and see the Titan sub wreck free!

Good shout! Now there's two wrecks to see down there, from competing generations. Can do a 'travel through the centuries' type tour, sponsored by an insurer who will 'protect you across all generations'. Catering on board could be from the 1920s and 2020s. I'll have a business plan with you by COB.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Good shout! Now there's two wrecks to see down there, from competing generations. Can do a 'travel through the centuries' type tour, sponsored by an insurer who will 'protect you across all generations'. Catering on board could be from the 1920s and 2020s. I'll have a business plan with you by COB.

And you know the best thing? This probably isn't the most ghoulish idea someone somewhere has had for monetisation today.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

4 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Good shout! Now there's two wrecks to see down there, from competing generations. Can do a 'travel through the centuries' type tour, sponsored by an insurer who will 'protect you across all generations'. Catering on board could be from the 1920s and 2020s. I'll have a business plan with you by COB.

I'll get to work on building the sub. Got some old trash cans out back I can cobble together and we can control it with my old Kempston Interface joystick that came with my ZX Spectrum 48k.

[SpacedX]

31 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

 ...that if the selfish fvckers on that sub had used their money to help the world they alone couldve prevented it 

That is a very skewed, logically flawed and somewhat irrational claim. There's no defence for the owner Stockton Rush and the operation he presided over. Nargeolet meanwhile, was a renowned ocean explorer, Hamish Hunter was an adventurer and that leaves Shahzada Dawood and his 19-year-old son Suleman (who went under duress) that were essentially the passengers. You have no idea what any of the wealthy involved did with their money or the extent of their deeds, philanthropy or altruism. It seems to me that it's ok to laugh at this because they are perceived as wealthy. 

 

Save your outrage for the shameful weighting that both tragedies were given in the media coverage. 

[Captain...]

14 hours ago, marbles said:

Weird to see people on here laughing and making fun of those who died in the sub.

 

 

Dark humour is quite a British way of dealing with things. I think that most of the jokes I've seen have been laughing at the absurdity of the situation rather than delighting in the deaths of anyone. 

 

It's a part of our culture, you've got your guns we've got our twisted sense of humour.

[Daggers]

I find the submarine humour as feeble as the faux online experts in conspiracies, aquatic structural engineering and deep sea recovery.

 

Honestly, it’s OK just not to have an opinion because you aren’t an  expert and stfu.

[LiberalFox]

The block function is kind of useless because you still see the blocked people's messages quoted by someone else and can tell what is being said by the replies. 

[Captain...]

52 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

The block function is kind of useless because you still see the blocked people's messages quoted by someone else and can tell what is being said by the replies. 

But it does help you to not engage with said user.

[HighPeakFox]

People died, that's dreadful. The only possible consolation is that these people (hopefully) led better lives than the poor bastards trying to flee their countries for a happier existence. 

[ajthefox]

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

not really... 1 billion couldve put all 500 of them in a hotel for 50 years

Well yes of course, but you aren't solving migration and what causes it with that are you?

[Finnegan]

I'm just glad they found the wreckage so we don't have to hear about it all over again in five years time when Netflix would have bought the rights to UnSoLvEd MyStErY.