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Iborra - Key Player?

By StriderHiryu, in Leicester City Forum

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Babylon

Babylon

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19 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Iborra isn’t the messiah !

 

however, he has a bit of what Esteban had - he has a picture of what is around him so that when he receives the ball  a lot of his passes are first time simple ones. It’s the first time passes that give the player receiving more options because the opposition have less time to close down the space. 

 

Thats also true of drago v wes. 

Indeed, he switched the ball quickly and even a slpit second makes a big difference. Not that we particularly carved them open because of that yesterday. But it can make a huge difference going forward.

katieakita

katieakita

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Possession is not everything but simple maths tells you the more possession you have the less time the opposition have to score against you ** (unless you have a Mr F Sinclair in your side) Iborra gives us that but he also helps us play at a pace of our choice. This is often overlooked but dictating the pace of a game is a positive and being able to read the game and knowing when to speed up when to slow it down is a big plus for any side and he also has a positive effect on team mates. Also seems to have the ability to help others around him play better. 

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Guest Chocolate Teapot

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4 hours ago, Babylon said:

Mostly sideways actually. In fact you compare to the last two games for James at a quick glance of the graphics, James seemed to pass a higher % forward more. Mike McCarthy alluded to the same thing on twitter last night, that of things to criticise James for, it's probably the wrong one. Another one of those red herrings like "we hoof it loads with Simpson and Morgan".

 

He switched it quicker, was more involved, added a calmness to the game, defended well etc. Attacking forward passing... not so much. Not ones that hit the mark anyway, most of those he tried in red he lost possession. 

 

Felt sorry for McCarthy when he brought it up as everyone, as per usual missed the point he was making spectacularly. As per usual defending one aspect of someones game from unwarranted criticism, was seen as an all out defence of the player and a slight of Iborra. Which clearly it wasn't.

 

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When you pass the ball 25 times in a home game it's not really a fair comparison is it? The fact that James was only involved on the ball something like 39 times against Bournemouth is embarassing for him and when you've got a centre midfielder who contributes as little as he does you're always going to struggle to break sides down.

 

As you say it's not even just being forward, it's how positive he is with it. it's not even a debate really - we are a much better side with Iborra in it and as to just dismiss the impact of him on yesterday's game I can't really agree with that either.

 

Ndidi was much better yesterday as he has been most of the time with Iborra, and that's no coincidence. I'm sure it would be the same with Silva.

Babylon

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33 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

When you pass the ball 25 times in a home game it's not really a fair comparison is it?

I said last two, one of which was stoke were he made 45 passes. 65% of which were forward, compared to Iborra who made 56% forward passes against West Brom. yet I've read loads of times people making out James did nothing but go backwards and sideways, it's not the case.  

 

You're expanding the argument into something else a little, read my very last point. I'm defending one specific point in that post, as the radio leicester stat man did also. 

 

33 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

when you've got a centre midfielder who contributes as little as he does you're always going to struggle to break sides down.

We missed 51 shots in three games, many of which were easier than the ones we converted at the weekend. Attempting to blame James for that, or to give Iborra all the credit today, I just find odd. It's not like he was massively involved in any of them other than the header at the end. 

 

33 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

Ndidi was much better yesterday as he has been most of the time with Iborra, and that's no coincidence. I'm sure it would be the same with Silva.

 

I haven't dismissed his impact, I've said he played very well numerous times and I want him to play. I just don't believe it was a match winning impact, considering what happened during the game. I totally disagree with people suggesting the win was solely down to him replacing James. I believe it was down to finishing the chances we had clinically more than anything, something we've lacked massively. 

 

33 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

 

Ndidi was much better yesterday as he has been most of the time with Iborra, and that's no coincidence. I'm sure it would be the same with Silva.

Well, personally I thought thought N'didi had was of his quieter games, gave the ball away a bit more than usual. Certainly couldn't sit there and say he played better. 

 

Iborra should hopefully help the team improve, he was involved and did little wrong. James was appalling against Bournemouth, because he wasn't even really involved. He didn't do anything wrong, but to be so little involved is very worrying and we need more. Iborra provided it. 

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Babylon

Babylon

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4 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

Let’s not over analyse. Let’s keep it simple. As of late, james plays = lose.

 

iborra plays = win. 

Except the last two James played we drew and the previous game of Iborra's we lost. I'd suggest a bit more analysis Sheppy :P

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teblin

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Iborra isn't consistent, but I have seen games where he has taken control of it and ran the game. I can't say I've seen that if James. I like James but I think we look a better team with iborra in it. 

 

Gives a  presence, good in the air too and think he does have goals in him.

 

 

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Foxxed

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James was great against Chelsea last time we beat them, but surely Iborra can do the same job now?

 

I suspect Silva after missing last match for the birth of his child won't be starting.

Foxxed

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On 3/11/2018 at 11:52, st albans fox said:

Iborra isn’t the messiah !

 

however, he has a bit of what Esteban had - he has a picture of what is around him so that when he receives the ball  a lot of his passes are first time simple ones. It’s the first time passes that give the player receiving more options because the opposition have less time to close down the space. 

 

Thats also true of drago v wes. 

This is probably the most salient point for me. If you give the opposition more time to close us down the whole attacking movement is more likely to fail.

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smr

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He does boss it, he commands the midfield and has an air of authority about him. His physique is also excellent - he's very tall and athletic with it, looks quicker and more nimble than James. I also think he reads the game really well, he's got that play-maker ability about him. 

weller54

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4 minutes ago, smr said:

He does boss it, he commands the midfield and has an air of authority about him. His physique is also excellent - he's very tall and athletic with it, looks quicker and more nimble than James. I also think he reads the game really well, he's got that play-maker ability about him. 

The average 82 year old is more nimble than James! 

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