Will we see Andy King leave in January ?

[dannythefox]

I’d be surprised if any manager would sell someone who is a top professional, enjoys training every day is happy to play anytime, even with very limited minutes and is someone who I’m sure the younger lads look up to. Every club needs someone like kingy.

[fuchsntf]

2 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

I’d be surprised if any manager would sell someone who is a top professional, enjoys training every day is happy to play anytime, even with very limited minutes and is someone who I’m sure the younger lads look up to. Every club needs someone like kingy.

Agree...plus he did sacrifice or lets say, gave up his better position.

He was interviewed a few yrs back, he said then he would be happy to play any position for the team but prefers, an

AM role, to high holding role. 

Imo his last best performances were those against Swansea and the title handover-game Everton.

He always looked good when surging forward or playing the positive side of the halfway line.

Never understood, how he was thought of or forced to play that deep defending midfielder.

Strange but that 2nd season of Ranieris and CSs coaching, confused me why they had Kingy playing deep.

Before then, he was a good and well above average PL midfielder.

In these latter years, he would of done a good job, for teams like CP, WBA, Stoke, Everton and Southampton.

Thats why I have been happy he stayed here, not forgetting, he put in 2 top performances in those special

Wales games...His early Int.years were also with good honest performances. Leicesters last 3-4 seasons of

backfoot performances imo, curtailed his latter years developement.

When he was used as an attacking midfielder, I actually thought he was better than Drinkwater, but DD was

more flexable , when we were experiencing continual pressure...

I would still love him to stay, and get a few more good PL ( not now 1st choice) and cup games, in his book.

[Bayfox]

4 hours ago, Stopper said:

Oh dear !  Read the title.  Its a question.  Not slagging off, not wishing he was gone, just considering that HE may actually view things from  a career and playing point of view.  Nothing like a constructive debate and response.

[Stevosevic]

2 hours ago, Monsell1976 said:

Won league one yes 

won the championship, yes but barely played.

Won the premier league, yes but barely played.

 King has offered very little for a long time, and yes his loyalty is commendable, but let’s not get to carried away, I should imagine that loyalty comes at a price, and in the shape of the sort of money, nobody in their right mind would pay him, for what he offers the squad, and the amount of time he’s played since league one.

 

 King won’t go anywhere because he has it cushy here, rarely does he play, gets paid exceptionally good money, has won things, and realistically the only teams that would want him are lower end championship, or top of league one, who are not going to pay him anywhere near his money now, and he would have to work more.

 I have questioned his ambition in the past, if it was me, I would want to play every week, but that doesn’t seem to appeal to him, as he seems settled in his bit part role

 

Barely played?

 

That's not true is it. Inler barely played... King was 3rd choice CM.

[Monsell1976]

4 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Barely played?

 

That's not true is it. Inler barely played... King was 3rd choice CM.

Amartey and king were used last season when required, I’m just stating a fact, king other than subs, or out of not having a choice, hasn’t had any form of consistent game time since Pearson in the championship, I don’t get all the defensive comments about the time we have used him, he hasn’t been an integral part of anyone’s team for years, and he’s had a very good time/ deal at Leicester.

 If he’s not going to be used, as a player I would look for a loan, as again he’s been a bit part player

[moseeds]

Getting rid of Andy King would remove a significant piece of 'memory' from the team. Would be surprised if Puel took such drastic action judging by his desire to integrate new ideas rather than overhaul outright.

[Stevosevic]

32 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

Amartey and king were used last season when required, I’m just stating a fact, king other than subs, or out of not having a choice, hasn’t had any form of consistent game time since Pearson in the championship, I don’t get all the defensive comments about the time we have used him, he hasn’t been an integral part of anyone’s team for years, and he’s had a very good time/ deal at Leicester.

 If he’s not going to be used, as a player I would look for a loan, as again he’s been a bit part player

I was talking about the Premier League winning season - barely played cannot be used there.

 

He started in a 1/3 of games and featured in 2/3.

[SuperMike]

For a number of years now Andy King has been the most inconspicuous footballer in the game. When he plays I honestly never see him! My family and friends have christened him 'The Invisible man' and if the commentator ever says '.....Andy King' there is always a chorus of 'WHO???' I am sure this used to work to his advantage in the early years when defenders simply didn't see him before he ghosted in to score. 

I didn't read the thread title properly and thought it said 'will we see Andy King in january' - I started thinking mebee his cloak of invisibility had failed its MOT.

Edited 1 December 2017 by SuperMike
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[Shefffox2]

Could see Kingy going to Sunderland on loan in January, to be Colemans  safe pair of hands in midfield at championship level

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

He’s not leaving yet... he has an FA Cup to lift in May.

[Monsell1976]

1 hour ago, Stevosevic said:

I was talking about the Premier League winning season - barely played cannot be used there.

 

He started in a 1/3 of games and featured in 2/3.

He got a few runs whilst kante was bedded in early on,  again as I said he’s used when no other options available, and was then back to his bit part role since really getting out of league one, and then he had minutes had sub, I’m not a stat man, but it would probably more telling to see how many minutes he played, compared to what was available, just to validate my point, but to much like hard work .

 We know have younger players, who are as good, and offer as much, and a manager that has stated youth is being brought in, so for the money he’s on, he’s a more expensive option, and for his sake, as puel moves forward, I think he needs games elsewhere, as he couldn’t get much game time under most managers since the Thais came in, and it’s looking like even less with this man, and the better quality ahead of him now.

 

[baldeagle]

42 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

He got a few runs whilst kante was bedded in early on,  again as I said he’s used when no other options available, and was then back to his bit part role since really getting out of league one, and then he had minutes had sub, I’m not a stat man, but it would probably more telling to see how many minutes he played, compared to what was available, just to validate my point, but to much like hard work .

 We know have younger players, who are as good, and offer as much, and a manager that has stated youth is being brought in, so for the money he’s on, he’s a more expensive option, and for his sake, as puel moves forward, I think he needs games elsewhere, as he couldn’t get much game time under most managers since the Thais came in, and it’s looking like even less with this man, and the better quality ahead of him now.

 

Well 64% of his appearances in that  season was when he came on as a sub and 1% when he was subbed off so it doesn’t leave s lot of minutes on the pitch 

[Farrington fox]

I would be sorry to see him leave. Although not the most gifted player, he has been a fantastic and loyal Servant of our club. One club players are rare these days, hope he enjoys a bumper testimonial. 

[Gerard]

I'm not a fan of sentimentality in football and his place in the squad should be judged on where Puel sees him in the pecking order and what offers we may get for him.

 

That said it's important to have people in the squad who are content to be squad players and be capable to come in and do a job when required and King fits that bill. 

[murphy]

On 30/11/2017 at 15:23, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Bizarre isn't it. I don't think there's a fanbase in the country that would be more unappreciative of somebody who has done for their club what Kingy has done for ours.

 

Utterly shameful. 

I do appreciate Andy King for what he has done in L1 and the Championship but why keep a player that is clearly not up to this level?  By your logic we might as well still have Steve Walsh jr, on the payroll.  Teams progress and players need to prove themselves worthy of playing at that level.  King now needs to leave and take a step down to find his.

[HighPeakFox]

12 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

I don't know whether this is nasty, homophobic or just not even vaguely funny, or all three.

Let me help you - it's called being c***y.

[Nigel Graham Pearson]

Something something club servant something something good for morale 

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

 

[murphy]

13 hours ago, TiffToff88 said:

For me this is the big reason he has to stay. Everyone can agree he's no longer good enough to play week in week out, but he's proven to be more than capable of stepping up as and when he's needed. I can imagine if some of the other starters suddenly found themselves on the fringes of the first team they would kick up a massive fuss and demand either first team football or a transfer (See Gray, Ulloa, Slimani). That kind of attitute rubs off on the rest of the team.

But wouldn't you respect him a little bit more if he wanted to play?  Where is his hunger?

 

If I were him I'd take the step down and the pay cut to play regular football.  King is just content to stay in his highly paid, non-playing  comfort zone.  It's nothing to do with loyalty.

[HankMarvin]

19 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

I don't know whether this is nasty, homophobic or just not even vaguely funny, or all three.

Hardly homophobic unless you know something we don’t 

[southfox66]

I can't believe some people,  he served the club for over 10 loyal years through good and bad times and he has scored some important goals for us at vital times,  West Ham 2015 springs to mind 

[Foxhateram]

On 30/11/2017 at 16:37, baldeagle said:

I hope so . Whilst I am aware of how good he has  been in the 1st division and Championship and how he’s well liked at the club or a good pro and happy to sit on the bench or a club legend show respect blah blah blah . The fact of the matter is he just isn’t good enough for the premier league. It no coincidence that we started losing games by losing the midfield when he was in it , people were even questioning Ndidi when he was having  to do the work of two players . And it’s no coincidence that we started to control the midfield better and Ndidi looks good again since Iborra had come in from injury and King gone back on the bench. Since our return to the premier league I cannot remember one game where he has  played or came on as a sub and had an influence on a game . He has either done a job or gone missing . 

So if you have aspirations of getting in the top six of the table are you really going to get there with players getting by  doing just a job . If you look at the big 6 are they happy having players that can just do a job or are their squad players legitimately pushing to start.  Something which I don’t believe King does for one minute . I could never imagine Ferguson or Jose keeping a player cause they can just do a job . If the club wants to be successfully it needs to be a bit more ruthless with some of the dead wood and that applies to more than just Andy King 

It is a coincidence. N didi went through a patch where he looked exhausted and unfit. There were times where he couldn't be arsed to track back (from the start of games), he lost his identity and way under Shakey, probably due to the pressure he had upon him. Which he nows seems more able to cope with. 

 

King had some really solid games at the start of the season. He is the sort of player that does most of his work off of the ball, he draws players away and out of position. He also marks very closely to a player which means that player is not an option. This is why he gets the invisible name tag, because most fans don't understand that side to the game. 

 

He is quality as an option to help us see out games (he holds up the ball well, and picks out a pass that aids us in keeping possession) and I 100 percent garuntee he is still in the managers plans. As he has been for every manager we have had in the last 11 years. 12 managers have picked him over that time period, including 4 while we have been in the Prem. I trust theit professional judgement over FT personally. 

 

P.s. Kingy chap you are a club legend who deserves only the best. Please never leave us. You will aleays be the King of Filbert Way. 

[baldeagle]

2 hours ago, Foxhateram said:

It is a coincidence. N didi went through a patch where he looked exhausted and unfit. There were times where he couldn't be arsed to track back (from the start of games), he lost his identity and way under Shakey, probably due to the pressure he had upon him. Which he nows seems more able to cope with. 

 

King had some really solid games at the start of the season. He is the sort of player that does most of his work off of the ball, he draws players away and out of position. He also marks very closely to a player which means that player is not an option. This is why he gets the invisible name tag, because most fans don't understand that side to the game. 

 

He is quality as an option to help us see out games (he holds up the ball well, and picks out a pass that aids us in keeping possession) and I 100 percent garuntee he is still in the managers plans. As he has been for every manager we have had in the last 11 years. 12 managers have picked him over that time period, including 4 while we have been in the Prem. I trust theit professional judgement over FT personally. 

 

P.s. Kingy chap you are a club legend who deserves only the best. Please never leave us. You will aleays be the King of Filbert Way. 

Ndidi looked tired and exhausted because he was having to do the work of two players in midfield . And as for being in the last 12 managers plans he hasn’t really though has he , he has only  been picked to start when there are no other options with the last  3/4 managers . Also if he is so good to bring on to close games out why did Puel not bring him on against Spurs instead choosing a young Hamza with no experience.I can also remember a few occasions when he was apparently subbed on to help close games out and replaced Shinji and we’ve ended up losing . Now we may not have lost because of him directly but him being completely ineffective hasn’t helped . Probable best to agree to disagree. 

[Foxhateram]

8 hours ago, baldeagle said:

Ndidi looked tired and exhausted because he was having to do the work of two players in midfield . And as for being in the last 12 managers plans he hasn’t really though has he , he has only  been picked to start when there are no other options with the last  3/4 managers . Also if he is so good to bring on to close games out why did Puel not bring him on against Spurs instead choosing a young Hamza with no experience.I can also remember a few occasions when he was apparently subbed on to help close games out and replaced Shinji and we’ve ended up losing . Now we may not have lost because of him directly but him being completely ineffective hasn’t helped . Probable best to agree to disagree. 

Name the game we lost after his introduction. I can think of only one and that was because of shite defending from a set piece, hardly King's fault... Ndidi was shite from the start of games from the off this season. How can that be exhaustion for covering King (Myth busted!). 

 

Puel gave Hamza an oppertunity to prove himself, that means nothing. Its early days and Puel wants to see what everyone can do and keep everyone in and around the squad competing and ready. 

 

Jesus you lot will pluck anything out of thin air to try and prove your invalid points. You clearly don't understand the way King plays or the off the ball side of football. And I will clarify yet again, King has been chosen, even when we had James, Mendy, Amartey and Inler to chose on the bench, he has been chosen as sub to help see out games under all 4 of our prem managers, and has consistently proved that he is capable of plàying an important (albeit small) part in this squad. 

 

We need squad players, if we want to compete at a high level we need a good size squad of players, having some players in there who are happy with being called upon is vital. All teams have players like this, there are players at Man U that are similar, see attached image, there a few bit part players in there. You can't have a whole squad of big time Charlie's like Mahrez, Vardy and Gray, otherwise you would have constant petty squables about playing time. I.e. See current Everton side. 

 

 

[baldeagle]

33 minutes ago, Foxhateram said:

Name the game we lost after his introduction. I can think of only one and that was because of shite defending from a set piece, hardly King's fault... Ndidi was shite from the start of games from the off this season. How can that be exhaustion for covering King (Myth busted!). 

 

Puel gave Hamza an oppertunity to prove himself, that means nothing. Its early days and Puel wants to see what everyone can do and keep everyone in and around the squad competing and ready. 

 

Jesus you lot will pluck anything out of thin air to try and prove your invalid points. You clearly don't understand the way King plays or the off the ball side of football. And I will clarify yet again, King has been chosen, even when we had James, Mendy, Amartey and Inler to chose on the bench, he has been chosen as sub to help see out games under all 4 of our prem managers, and has consistently proved that he is capable of plàying an important (albeit small) part in this squad. 

 

We need squad players, if we want to compete at a high level we need a good size squad of players, having some players in there who are happy with being called upon is vital. All teams have players like this, there are players at Man U that are similar, see attached image, there a few bit part players in there. You can't have a whole squad of big time Charlie's like Mahrez, Vardy and Gray, otherwise you would have constant petty squables about playing time. I.e. See current Everton side. 

 

 

If you read what I said I did say it wasn’t down to him directly more the fact he was  totally ineffective which in its self  helped the opposition pile on the pressure as it was like playing with ten men and it was only a matter of time before we conceded . And your point about Ndidi being poor from the start of the season is incorrect if you remember  he started the season alongside James where he was ok . He wasn’t pulling up trees  I will  give you that but he was ok . And At the risk of repeating myself  people started to question his form and he looked tired once James got injured and King replaced him and our midfield just kept getting over ran which didn’t happen so much with James and Ndidi . Add to this we then suddenly start picking up results and look better in midfield once Iborra started playing and King was replaced  . No I’m not blaming him for all of poor games as there was other players on the pitch who were equally as poor  but there is certainly a pattern appearing . As for needing squad players I  understand that but I feel your squad players should be pushing to start and not being happy just to sit on the bench . When Drinky was here and he had a poor patch  he didn’t get dropped because even though his form Had dipped the back up was no better,  which in itself can breed complacency among players because if no ones breathing down their neck to get in the team they know they are okay if they form drops as their position in the team is safe . Oh and your point about being picked ahead of James, Mendy and  Amartey doesn’t really prove anything Mendy  and James were out injired for most of their seasons and Amartey not really a midfielder more a defender . 

Edited 2 December 2017 by baldeagle