Will we see Andy King leave in January ?

[Webbo]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

 

I want to see him getting an FA cup winners medal to go with his collection.

[Kitchandro]

2 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Constant threads about him going, every "Transfer Window Thread" has people wishing he'd go etc etc.

 

Don't get it.

Clearly well liked around the club.

Clearly a club legend.

Clearly in no rush to leave.

Clearly won't kick up a stink if he doesn't play.

Clearly competent enough to fill in here and there.

 

Why the need to get rid?

If he was anyone else no one - literally no one would say he shouldn't be sold.

 

Based on his form and contribution to the team over the last 4 years he's surplus to requirements.

 

Well liked, good attitude, nice bloke - sorry, but these things don't add up to much in the end. Management's job is to improve the squad and get rid of players who aren't worth the money they are being paid.

 

Now, everyone can understand the attachment the fanbase have to King, and that is clearly the main argument for him staying.

 

But from a footballing point of view, there isn't a good reason why he's here. And obviously you do get that, because 'good footballer' or even 'effective from the bench' were not among your list of points.  'Clearly competent enough to fill in here and there' is not a commited or confident argument in defence of his footballing abilities. And the fact you left this til last speaks volumes as well.

 

So don't say you 'don't get it', because of course you get it, everyone gets it. Everyone can see why people think he should be sold.

 

If we're honest, the only real reason he hasn't is because, like Conrad Logan, he doesn't really have the desire the leave. Which is fine, but people are entitled to get fed up of seeing him on the teamsheet because we've screwed up in the transfer market again, for him to, more often than not, put in a disappointing performance.

 

Basically, the Andy King debate is very basic. Some people think we should get rid because he's not good enough, and others think he should stay because of his longevity in the squad. But there's not much debate about his footballing worth, because it's similar or less than several players we have sold in recent years (out of choice, not because a bigger club came in).

[Poznan34]

The witch hunt against him from some on here is bizarre. He's a club legend and he's not leaving. 

[Guest]

It doesn't matter if he's good enough for the team. Unless he wants to leave, he stays. 

 

He's been there whenever needed for over a decade and never complained about being sidelined, always ready to step up when needed.

 

As Webbo says (!), let's win the FA Cup, bring him on in the 89th minute when 3-0 up against Arsenal, and him and Wes can jointly lift the trophy.

[Fox92]

Not bothered either way. He ain't good enough to start. I guess it's whether he wants to go and play first team somewhere else as I don't think we'll look to sell him.

Edited 30 November 2017 by Fox92

[FLAN]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

AKCJ pretty much explained how I feel about him and his position at the club.

 

You don't force out these kinds of players and us as fans should show him a bit more respect. Yeah he may not be the best midfielder at the club but to have someone who is still happy to be around despite not regularly playing is great; further testament to his character and when he is called upon to play, 100% is all he gives.

 

He's given us so many good times over the years and been through everything with us - we owe it to him not to hound him out just because he may not be good enough. To say he's going to contend with some players just to get on the bench is unfounded as I'm pretty sure he's been in most, if not all, match squads when available. Choudhury gets ahead of him for one game and suddenly he has to go . Some people have clearly never heard of utilising the squad or even listened to Puel recently. We've got something like 8 games in 28 days coming up; nearly a game every 3.5 days. 

 

It speaks volumes that King has been through about 15 managers (at least) and not one has looked to get rid of him or try and force him out. Says even more that when Premier League clubs came in for him (when we weren't a PL side), he rejected them and chose to stay with us.

 

Clearly a likeable character and a role model for youngsters and is popular around the dressing room for other players. Very influential in the club. Hope he stays with us til the end of his career.

Evidence anyone came in for him?

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

I know he wasn't best pleased when James was preferred for him in the first game of the season - i think the club will want to keep him as a squad player, but he's now being used less and less - if I was him I'd move on.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

3 minutes ago, F1_AN said:

Evidence anyone came in for him?

Villa a while ago.

 

Also West Brom and Swansea in the first season after we were promoted.

[KansasFox]

26 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

If he was anyone else no one - literally no one would say he shouldn't be sold.

 

Based on his form and contribution to the team over the last 4 years he's surplus to requirements.

 

Well liked, good attitude, nice bloke - sorry, but these things don't add up to much in the end. Management's job is to improve the squad and get rid of players who aren't worth the money they are being paid.

 

Now, everyone can understand the attachment the fanbase have to King, and that is clearly the main argument for him staying.

 

But from a footballing point of view, there isn't a good reason why he's here. And obviously you do get that, because 'good footballer' or even 'effective from the bench' were not among your list of points.  'Clearly competent enough to fill in here and there' is not a commited or confident argument in defence of his footballing abilities. And the fact you left this til last speaks volumes as well.

 

So don't say you 'don't get it', because of course you get it, everyone gets it. Everyone can see why people think he should be sold.

 

If we're honest, the only real reason he hasn't is because, like Conrad Logan, he doesn't really have the desire the leave. Which is fine, but people are entitled to get fed up of seeing him on the teamsheet because we've screwed up in the transfer market again, for him to, more often than not, put in a disappointing performance.

 

Basically, the Andy King debate is very basic. Some people think we should get rid because he's not good enough, and others think he should stay because of his longevity in the squad. But there's not much debate about his footballing worth, because it's similar or less than several players we have sold in recent years (out of choice, not because a bigger club came in).

Don't entirely disagree.  But I would say that his long service to the club means he understands the club ethos, he understands rivalries, derbies, the fans.  As a result this has an impact on the football club as a whole and does contribute towards the footballing side of things. 

Also a squad needs balance and the best players (footballing wise) are not always the most essential to a team or squad.  King has bought into the club and that makes him important in helping others to do the same.

I would agree that you would not keep him for on field performance alone.  But I'd argue that to judge every player in the squad solely on that would be to the detriment of the club as a whole

[z-layrex]

3 hours ago, filbertstreet said:

maybe the january in 4.5 billion years after humanity has gone long extinct and the sun has turned in to a white dwarf and there's no more life and the algerians have finally stopped commenting on the leicester facebook page, he will leave, but not a moment sooner imho

Hahahaha!!!

[baldeagle]

1 hour ago, Kitchandro said:

If he was anyone else no one - literally no one would say he shouldn't be sold.

 

Based on his form and contribution to the team over the last 4 years he's surplus to requirements.

 

Well liked, good attitude, nice bloke - sorry, but these things don't add up to much in the end. Management's job is to improve the squad and get rid of players who aren't worth the money they are being paid.

 

Now, everyone can understand the attachment the fanbase have to King, and that is clearly the main argument for him staying.

 

But from a footballing point of view, there isn't a good reason why he's here. And obviously you do get that, because 'good footballer' or even 'effective from the bench' were not among your list of points.  'Clearly competent enough to fill in here and there' is not a commited or confident argument in defence of his footballing abilities. And the fact you left this til last speaks volumes as well.

 

So don't say you 'don't get it', because of course you get it, everyone gets it. Everyone can see why people think he should be sold.

 

If we're honest, the only real reason he hasn't is because, like Conrad Logan, he doesn't really have the desire the leave. Which is fine, but people are entitled to get fed up of seeing him on the teamsheet because we've screwed up in the transfer market again, for him to, more often than not, put in a disappointing performance.

 

Basically, the Andy King debate is very basic. Some people think we should get rid because he's not good enough, and others think he should stay because of his longevity in the squad. But there's not much debate about his footballing worth, because it's similar or less than several players we have sold in recent years (out of choice, not because a bigger club came in).

Exactly if Andy King was someone that we had recently signed and turned in performances like he has over the last few years people would be screaming what a waste of money and get rid 

Edited 30 November 2017 by baldeagle

[SheppyFox]

Why would he leave  he doesn’t want to play regularly.

[Koke]

48 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Basically, the Andy King debate is very basic. Some people think we should get rid because he's not good enough, and others think he should stay because of his longevity in the squad. But there's not much debate about his footballing worth, because it's similar or less than several players we have sold in recent years (out of choice, not because a bigger club came in).

 

If we are being honest, isn't King doing what Ulloa is doing. Barely playing whilst collecting a hefty wage at the peak of their careers. One is vilified and the other is seen as loyal. Well maybe Ulloa is loyal as well. 

 

SAF had no problems selling long loyal servants like Butt, O'Shea, Brown, Evans, Phil Neville etc. All of those have won multiple medals and know the club inside out but ultimately they were taking squad places from better players so they had to go.

 

As I mentioned earlier I'm totally indifferent to whether he stays or goes but I do wonder why at his age he doesn't have more ambition than beibg 5th choice midfielder. 

[StanSP]

36 minutes ago, F1_AN said:

Evidence anyone came in for him?

 

32 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

Villa a while ago.

 

Also West Brom and Swansea in the first season after we were promoted.

Everton as well. 

[Dr The Singh]

Although I believe he is not good enough anymore, I would like to see him end his career here.  

[NeilLCFC]

I hate these new ‘fans’ we’ve picked up over the last few seasons.

[lgfualol]

No chance. Mainly because his influence, steadiness, etc but also because he must be on about 40k a week? Championship teams wont pay him as much, unless someone's desperate.

[AKCJ]

Just now, lgfualol said:

No chance. Mainly because his influence, steadiness, etc but also because he must be on about 40k a week? Championship teams wont pay him as much, unless someone's desperate.

You're massively under estimating the Championship's spending there.

 

If we announced that King was for sale, the entire Championship and probably 5/6 Premier League clubs would be desperate for him.

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Kitchandro said:

If he was anyone else no one - literally no one would say he shouldn't be sold.

 

Based on his form and contribution to the team over the last 4 years he's surplus to requirements.

 

Well liked, good attitude, nice bloke - sorry, but these things don't add up to much in the end. Management's job is to improve the squad and get rid of players who aren't worth the money they are being paid.

 

Now, everyone can understand the attachment the fanbase have to King, and that is clearly the main argument for him staying.

 

But from a footballing point of view, there isn't a good reason why he's here. And obviously you do get that, because 'good footballer' or even 'effective from the bench' were not among your list of points.  'Clearly competent enough to fill in here and there' is not a commited or confident argument in defence of his footballing abilities. And the fact you left this til last speaks volumes as well.

 

So don't say you 'don't get it', because of course you get it, everyone gets it. Everyone can see why people think he should be sold.

 

If we're honest, the only real reason he hasn't is because, like Conrad Logan, he doesn't really have the desire the leave. Which is fine, but people are entitled to get fed up of seeing him on the teamsheet because we've screwed up in the transfer market again, for him to, more often than not, put in a disappointing performance.

 

Basically, the Andy King debate is very basic. Some people think we should get rid because he's not good enough, and others think he should stay because of his longevity in the squad. But there's not much debate about his footballing worth, because it's similar or less than several players we have sold in recent years (out of choice, not because a bigger club came in).

You're only lying to yourself if you're suggesting that he has little footballing worth to our club.

 

It would baffle me if any other poster had opinions like;

"Well liked, good attitude, nice bloke - sorry, but these things don't add up to much in the end."

"If we're honest, the only real reason he hasn't is because, like Conrad Logan, he doesn't really have the desire the leave"

"But there's not much debate about his footballing worth, because it's similar or less than several players we have sold in recent years (out of choice, not because a bigger club came in)."

But statements like that are par for the course for you.

 

You'd likely bleat on till your're blue in the face about football losing connectivity with the fans and solely being a results business but the facts are these...

 

1) He's been a very valuable member of the squads for 13 full time Leicester City managers.

2) He's never once kicked up a fuss. I've never heard a single player speak a bad word of him. The absolute true professional. You're talking bollocks (as usual) if you think that holds little worth.

3) He's barely costing the club a penny to keep. It genuinely boggles my mind that people want to get rid of someone that isn't causing the club any harm whatsoever.

[WigstonWanderer]

As a matter of interest, how long does he have on his contract, and what is he being paid?

[Izzy]

1 minute ago, WigstonWanderer said:

As a matter of interest, how long does he have on his contract, and what is he being paid?

Contracted to 2020 now I think. On about £30k a week?

[ajthefox]

6 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

You're massively under estimating the Championship's spending there.

 

If we announced that King was for sale, the entire Championship and probably 5/6 Premier League clubs would be desperate for him.

There would be interest but "desperate"? you're definitely over egging it.

[foxinsocks]

16 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Contracted to 2020 now I think. On about £30k a week?

How old?  That sounds reasonable... he doesnt look like the kind of guy to throw his cash about in a casino

[Innovindil]

You don't get rid of a player like King. His footballing ability is irrelevant. His attitude with the team is everything. If he was getting in trouble or not contributing I'd understand wanting to get rid, but he's never been anything but professional and always gives his best when called upon. 

 

People really need to have a word with themselves about how they want this club to be. If you want us to be a soulless trophy hunting club that axes players left right and centre with no sentiment then I feel really bad for you. 

[ScouseFox]

the fact of the matter is kingy was here before most the fans on this board and kingy will probably be here when they've f ucked off. cannot wait.