Are our stats lying?

[Phube]

Our past three performances (ignoring Man City) we have; combined:

 

Shots: 72

On target: 18

Off target: 54 

 

Corners: 29

 

Opposition clearances: 141

 

Now people are moanjng at our boring, sideways possession style. But in our past three home games those offensive stats are pretty good.

 

So are the stats ‘lying’ and not truly representative of our play; or are we just not taking the chances our new style of play are offering up?

 

How many one on one’s are we missing or close range chances in the box (most are from McGuire as well weirdly, due to a lack of a Slim or Ulloa?).

 

Any rational thoughts?

 

[Beechey]

We're just really lacking a final ball. Everything seems to hit the first man or we get nowhere near it.

[Nigel Graham Pearson]

I haven’t found our recent football to be boring. Just regularly lacking quality. 

[urban.spaceman]

4 minutes ago, Phube said:

Our past three performances (ignoring Man City) we have; combined:

 

Shots: 72

On target: 18

Off target: 54 

 

Corners: 29

 

Opposition clearances: 141

 

Now people are moanjng at our boring, sideways possession style. But in our past three home games those offensive stats are pretty good.

 

So are the stats ‘lying’ and not truly representative of our play; or are we just not taking the chances our new style of play are offering up?

 

How many one on one’s are we missing or close range chances in the box (most are from McGuire as well weirdly, due to a lack of a Slim or Ulloa?).

 

Any rational thoughts?

 

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THIS IS FOXESTALK.

[AjcW]

I mentioned how worrying our Shots to On Target Shots ratio is a few weeks back. 

 

Nowhere good enough for the level we’re trying to be at, perhaps some attacking coaches needed? Always felt we lacked specialism in that area since Phillips left

[Dan]

Shots ≠ chances.

[davieG]

Desperate players snatch at the ball without thinking, our general approach and ideas are ok but our execution is park level stuff, so many unforced errors with the passing often when under no pressure, see Silva, Morgan  and McGuire to name just 3 guilty ones today means you lose momentum and give the opposition confidence.

Quality is lacking.

[Ian Nacho]

I've thought we've had no cutting edge and those statistics. Would prefer us to have 3 shots and 3 goals. Maybe an exaggeration but I at least would wish we were more clinical.

[ARTY_FOX]

6 minutes ago, Phube said:

Our past three performances (ignoring Man City) we have; combined:

 

Shots: 72

On target: 18

Off target: 54 

 

Corners: 29

 

Opposition clearances: 141

 

Now people are moanjng at our boring, sideways possession style. But in our past three home games those offensive stats are pretty good.

 

So are the stats ‘lying’ and not truly representative of our play; or are we just not taking the chances our new style of play are offering up?

 

How many one on one’s are we missing or close range chances in the box (most are from McGuire as well weirdly, due to a lack of a Slim or Ulloa?).

 

Any rational thoughts?

 

The problem is in those games the chances have only fell once the opposition have decided they've snatched what they've came for and camp in the box for 20 minutes. Also us turning it on to a degree aswell. But why can't we start with such intent? 

[Stadt]

Without checking I’m sure our underlying xG figures are ok. We’ve been unfortunate in the sense that against Stoke and swansea they scored from a corner and a longshot. We’re not regularly conceding open play goals that are preventable. We’ve massively outshot our opponents recently but we’re on the wrong side of negative variance at the minute.

 

We have been too timid but even so normally the chances we’ve created go in.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Only 2 players score regularly for us, that’s the problem.

[bovril]

With better final balls and better finishing in two of the last three home games we wouldn't be far behind Arsenal. What's frustrating is that's come against teams that we should have beaten reasonably comfortably, although Swansea had hit some form and Bournemouth are hard to beat. Selling Slimani then losing Okazaki was a blow. 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

We are more likely to score from a goal kick than a corner

[Vacamion]

 

 

Yes, I think our stats do lie a bit. Until Mahrez’s goal, we’ve not had very much luck.

 

Against Stoke especially, we kept hitting the woodwork and on many other days we’d have won it.

 

The problem is that the stat which counts (the result) is not great, so stuff which would be overlooked or laughed off when we win suddenly becomes a massive problem.  In here, anyway.

 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

With better final balls and better finishing in two of the last three home games we wouldn't be far behind Arsenal. What's frustrating is that's come against teams that we should have beaten reasonably comfortably, although Swansea had hit some form and Bournemouth are hard to beat. Selling Slimani then losing Okazaki was a blow. 

I like Slimani, but he’s been injured anyway and we do seem to play better with Shinji in the side.

Our central midfielders never score, and I’d expect a couple of goals from our centre backs from our countless corners but that never happens, we need to find other ways of scoring instead of relying on Vardy and Mahrez

[Phube]

21 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Shots ≠ chances.

 

Today’s XG:

 

2.98 to 1.40

[NewEnglandFox]

1 minute ago, Phube said:

 

Today’s XG:

 

2.98 to 1.40

[09bballer]

We lose a lot of the pressing option without Okazaki. The pressing creates random errors further up the pitch and creates breaks for Vardy.

 

But also recent teams have sat much deeper against us to guard against it too.

 

I don't think N'didi, James, Silva worked out at all today although on paper it probably should have been stronger than Bournemouth.

[Nick]

Well I’m not sure about the stats but our position in the table is quite frankly a miracle after two points out of twelve.

[Dan]

13 minutes ago, Phube said:

 

Today’s XG:

 

2.98 to 1.40

I think xG is probably far more accurate than shots. Can't believe ours was as high as that though, especially considering the one we got was a screamer.

[jayfox26]

As much as people don't rate him, our best finisher is Iheancho by a distance. Maybe Puel needs to start giving him a run of games and creating some chances for him and perhaps we will start converting more of our chances. Im not convinced the stats always tell the full story as other than Mahrez' one on one 1st half, I don't recall begovic making too many saves 

Edited 3 March 2018 by jayfox26

[jayfox26]

19 minutes ago, 09bballer said:

We lose a lot of the pressing option without Okazaki. The pressing creates random errors further up the pitch and creates breaks for Vardy.

 

But also recent teams have sat much deeper against us to guard against it too.

 

I don't think N'didi, James, Silva worked out at all today although on paper it probably should have been stronger than Bournemouth.

I agree, 3 in the middle is ok against the top teams but at home to teams like these we should have started Iheancho and played 442 and id play Iborra with ndidi. James and Silva offered little today as did Albrighton. Although to be fair to Albrighton he's not a rb and always plays  better on the left 

[Legend_in_blue]

Here's one stat for you:

 

In one game less in charge, Puel has managed 1 point less than Shakey in his spell in charge.

 

Now think on that.

[Stadt]

22 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I think xG is probably far more accurate than shots. Can't believe ours was as high as that though, especially considering the one we got was a screamer.

Understat where that screen is from normally overstates xG compared to other data providers however we had a lot of efforts from very close up to the goal

Edited 3 March 2018 by Wookie

[davieG]

Just now, Wookie said:

Understat where that screen is from normally overstates xG compared to lots and other data providers however we had a lot of shits from very close up to the goal

Well I shit myself every time we play mostly diarrhoea as my mood reflects the play i'm seeing.