Puel’s KPI’s

[Izzy]

8 hours ago, Manini said:

It's the same in any job/industry and I feel strongly about this. You can over analyse KPI's to death but it's the bottom line that counts and in football that's the amount of points you accumulate throughout a season. 

 

It doesnt even really work in football because the only KPI there is, is actually the ammount points you have? 

You’re right. The only KPI that really matters is total points.

The rest are just PI’s 

[Vlad the Fox]

When I was a kid, most teams would have a streak of good form followed by streaks of bad form, the ones that didn't either won the league or got relegated, things haven't changed, it's how football works. Some people need to relax a bit and give Puel and the team time to adapt to each other and see what happens, we're  in a good position as a club and in the league so it's not as if things are desperate. Too much analysis that points fingers and lays blame doesn't account for many of the other human factors that can effect performance. 

[Vlad the Fox]

13 hours ago, davieG said:

For better or worse we're in a transition phase moving to passing/possession set up. Presumably under instructions of the LCFC Executive.

The squad he has is full of players unsuited to that style and overloaded in certain positions.

In many respects he's in a similar situation that Pearson found himself following Sven's exit

On that basis you could argue that maintaining the position we're in with respect to the PL and the FA Cup he's performing rather well.

I guess it depends on your expectations

 

I've been wondering myself if he's been given a similar job to Pearson in that he has been bought in to build a new team, a new styl, a new era. To build on where the club is to move us further on in our long term goels and ambitions.

[Babylon]

14 hours ago, UPinCarolina said:

Some of the advanced statistics out there seem to point to the fact that we are just on a horrendous streak of luck. I tend to agree with them.

Whilst I agree that we haven't particularly had the rub of the green in terms of shots going in. We've caused our own problems by failing to get into gear early enough, gifting the oppo a goal and then having to throw the kitchen sink at it to get back into it. Considering how much better we look when we do that, how about we try doing it before the 70th minute of a game?

[nnfox]

Focus on getting players to run further and faster, increase passing accuracy (a biggy), improve shots on target ratio, increase tackles, increase interceptions, increase headers won.

 

Do this and the results will look after themselves.

[foxinsocks]

Kpis:

Points from last 6 games

Goal diff in last 6 games

 

If puel believes we should have possession then presumabably this will reduce goals conceded.. and increase points results.

 

 I would like to think it would increase goals scored.... so to improve scoring  i would have a kpi based on:

expected goals per game over the last 6 games played weighted by the position of the oposition team's position in the league: wieght = (21 - position)/20

Edited 6 March 2018 by foxinsocks

[NotTheMarketLeader]

16 hours ago, Corky said:

If, for example, we had more games like the Arsenal one and losing 4-3 and 3-2 was a regular thing, would the fans be happier with that?

 

Results are all that matter, if we'd won the last three home games 2-1 (as we should at least have done) people wouldn't be complaining.

Well I ****ing well would be complaining; I’m not so much bothered about the results as the style of play that we have taken on in the last two months.

 

How we go about playing is important. 

 

We’ve won the league, played in the CL, and if that sort of thing is not happening again then I want to be entertained.

 

If we played high energy, attacking and entertaining football and finished 17th I would be happy.

 

Watching an attacking team the like of Liverpool or Man City at the moment is what it’s all about. There are loads of PL games which are as boring as shit and that’s not want to see from my team.

 

We lost at Arsenal, but despite some of Shake’s decisions, I was fairly content because we had a go, and most importantly had an intent to try and win the game. 

 

We now now start off passing the ball around, and only up the intensity when we are behind. That attitude is a massive handicap in the pursuit of winning games; and makes for incredibly boring first halves.

 

Edited 6 March 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[Manwell Pablo]

Fck me I have enough of these to deal with at work without letting them get into football.

 

 

[Mapperleyfox]

18 hours ago, Wookie said:

It is a bit boring at times I'll concede but you watched us Holloway, Levein, Megson etc? It's not that bad.

 

The idea of a KPI is that it's a numerical figure easy enough to keep track of rather than subjective qualitative data.

There is an alternative - for example Net promoter score which is used by loads of organisations as a KPI, is derived from a customer scoring a service 1-10.

 

So fans could give every game an 'entertainment' score out of 10 and you could infer it from the match by match average....

[SouthStandUpperTier]

The boring football stuff has only reared it's ugly head again now that the wins have dried up. Win a couple of games and it'll go away again.

 

[Stadt]

48 minutes ago, Mapperleyfox said:

There is an alternative - for example Net promoter score which is used by loads of organisations as a KPI, is derived from a customer scoring a service 1-10.

 

So fans could give every game an 'entertainment' score out of 10 and you could infer it from the match by match average....

Would you trust our fans? I'd imagine last week there'd be a load of 1s which just isn't true at all.

[KingsX]

"FT Match Ratings -- Manager Confidence %"

 

 

[Crinklyfox]

I dislike the extensive use of stats as they can be misleading if taken out of context.

 

Firstly a manager has to be given the chance to manage,  that means a meaningful review should only be carried out when there is enough data to provide confidence in the analysis.  I regularly laugh when posters praise or call for the manager's head every time a goal is scored or conceded.

 

The manager inherits a squad.  One KPI could be the success of his signings.  He must have the ability to identify and attract talent to the club, and to get the best out of them once in the squad.  A poor manager is likely to overspend on rubbish, whereas a good one should be able to spot and develop potential.  

 

 

[NorthfieldsFox]

11 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

Fck me I have enough of these to deal with at work without letting them get into football.

 

 

Sorry buddy , what do you use them at work for ?? I lay bricks for a living not sure bricks and mortar could have a KPI  

[Foxxed]

On 05/03/2018 at 19:32, Sharpe's Fox said:

Win some games against shite sides and don’t bore me to ****ing tears.

Indeed. KPIs... Can we not stick to normal English and avoid business speech? Out of "What are Puel's KPIs" and "Is Puel good enough?" I think I can live without the former.

[st albans fox]

For goodness sake, we were sh1t first half against Huddersfield and no one remembers that cos we won

 

we should have been out of sight of Swansea - no slow start then

 

we found it tough against Stoke but had one of those late chances gone in, who would be moaning 

 

saturday was turgid for much of the game but it  was bournemouth - we played against ten men in our title winning season and didn’t make as many chances as we did on Saturday. 

 

Puel is making some mistakes but in a sliding doors moment, we could easily be 3 points behind Arsenal. Let’s see how flabby we are against Chelsea in a game that really means something 

Edited 7 March 2018 by st albans fox

[gerrytaggart]

On 05/03/2018 at 18:57, davieG said:

For better or worse we're in a transition phase moving to passing/possession set up. Presumably under instructions of the LCFC Executive.

The squad he has is full of players unsuited to that style and overloaded in certain positions.

In many respects he's in a similar situation that Pearson found himself following Sven's exit

On that basis you could argue that maintaining the position we're in with respect to the PL and the FA Cup he's performing rather well.

I guess it depends on your expectations

 

always the voice of reason...very well put.

[Manwell Pablo]

15 hours ago, NorthfieldsFox said:

Sorry buddy , what do you use them at work for ?? I lay bricks for a living not sure bricks and mortar could have a KPI  

 

It  could actually if you had a target number of bricks you had to lay.

 

You'd have to have some sad C**t following you around all day counting though so probably counter productive. 

[Mapperleyfox]

On ‎06‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 13:39, Wookie said:

Would you trust our fans? I'd imagine last week there'd be a load of 1s which just isn't true at all.

Possibly not, fair point!

[l444ry]

I reckon most people are jumping on the "boring football"" tag because they've made hard work chasing games recently. If we had taken the lead it would be seen differently by any fair minded pundit, For heavens sake, they've only been beaten 4 times in the last 20 odd games (90 mins) so all this negative reaction is amusing.   

[Lionheart10]

22 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

It  could actually if you had a target number of bricks you had to lay.

 

You'd have to have some sad C**t following you around all day counting though so probably counter productive. 

That would be the Clerk of Works then.

[Manwell Pablo]

7 minutes ago, Lionheart10 said:

That would be the Clerk of Works then.

 

 Sure they do a bit more than following one brick layer around the site counting how many individual bricks they lay.

 

Or maybe they don't I dunno I have to confess I've never built a house.