Solomon Kvirkvelia

[Gerard]

9 hours ago, brucey said:

So after Maddison, £50m spent this summer already. Think someone on here said 50m was our summer budget and any more would have to come through sales. Plus a possible FFP wages issue.. The Kvirkvelia deal can't be that close, if we need to sell before buying any more?

 

Something doesn't add up to me, I'm wondering if he's a replacement for Maguire?

 

We must be desperate to shift on a lot of players this summer and spending £15m on a centre half who I would assume won't get in ahead of Maguire or Evans seems strange business. I think we're about 0.5 of a centre half light. Morgan, Benalouane, Amartey and some of the academy lads might not quite be up to playing the first centre half reserve role but bringing in this lad seems overkill.

 

We're very close to FFP limits so this buy seems a luxury we can do without unless we're either selling Maguire or shifting on the likes of Morgan and Benalouane which seems unlikely.

[OhYesNdidi]

3 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

Something doesn't add up to me, I'm wondering if he's a replacement for Maguire?

 

We must be desperate to shift on a lot of players this summer and spending £15m on a centre half who I would assume won't get in ahead of Maguire or Evans seems strange business. I think we're about 0.5 of a centre half light. Morgan, Benalouane, Amartey and some of the academy lads might not quite be up to playing the first centre half reserve role but bringing in this lad seems overkill.

 

We're very close to FFP limits so this buy seems a luxury we can do without unless we're either selling Maguire or shifting on the likes of Morgan and Benalouane which seems unlikely.

Morgan, Simpson, Okazaki, Ulloa, king(?), yohan, Fuchs will all be gone next summer. That's probably £250k +  ish in wages per week. Isn't FFP about wages also? 

Edited 18 June 2018 by OhYesNdidi

[Superpants82]

1 minute ago, Gerard said:

 

Something doesn't add up to me, I'm wondering if he's a replacement for Maguire?

 

We must be desperate to shift on a lot of players this summer and spending £15m on a centre half who I would assume won't get in ahead of Maguire or Evans seems strange business. I think we're about 0.5 of a centre half light. Morgan, Benalouane, Amartey and some of the academy lads might not quite be up to playing the first centre half reserve role but bringing in this lad seems overkill.

 

We're very close to FFP limits so this buy seems a luxury we can do without unless we're either selling Maguire or shifting on the likes of Morgan and Benalouane which seems unlikely.

Why does shifting Benny and Morgan seem unlikely? Surely if you were either of them and saw another CB coming in you'd want to be off. Morgan was crap last season and Benny got nowhere near the team. If we are going 5 at the back it makes complete sense. 

[Gerard]

4 minutes ago, StevieB said:

Why does shifting Benny and Morgan seem unlikely? Surely if you were either of them and saw another CB coming in you'd want to be off. Morgan was crap last season and Benny got nowhere near the team. If we are going 5 at the back it makes complete sense. 

 

There's no evidence of us playing five at the back and we've basically been trying to shift Benalouane since he got here. I'm sure the club would love to move on both Morgan and Benalouane but we'll really struggle to get any takers as no one will pay them what they're on here.

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

 

Something doesn't add up to me, I'm wondering if he's a replacement for Maguire?

 

We must be desperate to shift on a lot of players this summer and spending £15m on a centre half who I would assume won't get in ahead of Maguire or Evans seems strange business. I think we're about 0.5 of a centre half light. Morgan, Benalouane, Amartey and some of the academy lads might not quite be up to playing the first centre half reserve role but bringing in this lad seems overkill.

 

We're very close to FFP limits so this buy seems a luxury we can do without unless we're either selling Maguire or shifting on the likes of Morgan and Benalouane which seems unlikely.

Are we? Last accounts we made the biggest profit didn't we, so I'd imagine there is wiggle room.

[Grey Fox]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Are we? Last accounts we made the biggest profit didn't we, so I'd imagine there is wiggle room.

But people need something to worry about.  If they can't worry about the lack of signings they may as well worry about making too many.

[TheUltimateWinner]

Wish Alan Young still commentated on Radio Leicester so we could hear him try and pronounce his name  

Edited 18 June 2018 by TheUltimateWinner

[LCCFox96]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

There's no evidence of us playing five at the back and we've basically been trying to shift Benalouane since he got here. I'm sure the club would love to move on both Morgan and Benalouane but we'll really struggle to get any takers as no one will pay them what they're on here.

 

Our best hope for moving Benalouane is that he shows some decent form in the World Cup, which in turn garners the attention of potential buying clubs and gives him the motivation to play more elsewhere. 

[brucey]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

 

Something doesn't add up to me, I'm wondering if he's a replacement for Maguire?

 

We must be desperate to shift on a lot of players this summer and spending £15m on a centre half who I would assume won't get in ahead of Maguire or Evans seems strange business. I think we're about 0.5 of a centre half light. Morgan, Benalouane, Amartey and some of the academy lads might not quite be up to playing the first centre half reserve role but bringing in this lad seems overkill.

 

We're very close to FFP limits so this buy seems a luxury we can do without unless we're either selling Maguire or shifting on the likes of Morgan and Benalouane which seems unlikely.

I cannot see Maguire being sold, that would go against everything the owners are trying to do. There won't be anything happening until after the WC, by which time we can pull out our classic delaying tactics that we perfected on Mahrez (not for sale, hard bargaining, no replacement available) until the window closes. Unless a 100m bid comes in, but we won't be already buying a replacement now in anticipation of one..

 

I reckon most likely we made enquiries before Evans but are no longer interested. I'm hoping anyway.

[EnderbyFox]

KVIRKVELIAAAA, YOU'VE GOTTA SEE HER

[urban.spaceman]

54 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Wish Alan Young still commentated on Radio Leicester so we could hear him try and pronounce his name  

 

"KenockEart"

[Spudulike]

35 minutes ago, LCCFox96 said:

 

Our best hope for moving Benalouane is that he shows some decent form in the World Cup, which in turn garners the attention of potential buying clubs and gives him the motivation to play more elsewhere. 

Except not tonight

[STUHILL]

Wonder if we are going to have to come to mutual agreements with a few of these players like Benny and co.

 

Not sure if that's possible with FFP, but maybe a better option if we agree to pay up on % of their remaining contracts and let them find another club. 

 

 

[moore_94]

Im just wondering why people think FFP is an issue?

 

Only thing recently reported that connects the club to FFP was over the 13/14 season.

 

We reported record profits for the club didnt we?

 

Yes continuous high spending could be an issue in the future, but if a club like Everton after all their spending recently are not reporting FFP issues then it isnt something we should really be concerned about.

[Tielemans63]

Maybe we're going to play 3 at the back? Maguire, Evans and Big Sol?

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Just now, Paddy. said:

Maybe we're going to play 3 at the back? Maguire, Evans and Big Sol?

This is what I was hoping. Chilly and Ricardo on the wings 

[Richard]

FFP is an issue because there is a limit there every club is allowed to increase their wage bill by season by season, I think it's a percentage of the wage bill from the previous season. Therefore although we made a big profit on the books (a fair amount of that has already been spent) we cannot just spend as we wish. I think this rule came in 2016 which goes someway to explaining why bumper contracts were handed out to (ageing) title winners when maybe it would've been against financial sense to do so. As it essentially incentivises clubs to increase their wage bill by as much as they're allowed to in order to keep raising their FFP threshold.

[Ted Maul]

2 hours ago, EnderbyFox said:

KVIRKVELIAAAA, YOU'VE GOTTA SEE HER

 

 

KVIRKVELIAAA, HE PLAYS FOR LEICESTER

 

DUH DUH DUH

 

THAT BIG F**KING GEORGIAN AT THE BACK

[W88DY]

11 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

This is what I was hoping. Chilly and Ricardo on the wings 

It`s a clever way of filling the Mahrez void !!

[Scotch]

40 minutes ago, Richard said:

FFP is an issue because there is a limit there every club is allowed to increase their wage bill by season by season, I think it's a percentage of the wage bill from the previous season. Therefore although we made a big profit on the books (a fair amount of that has already been spent) we cannot just spend as we wish. I think this rule came in 2016 which goes someway to explaining why bumper contracts were handed out to (ageing) title winners when maybe it would've been against financial sense to do so. As it essentially incentivises clubs to increase their wage bill by as much as they're allowed to in order to keep raising their FFP threshold.

You're right in terms of how FFP works but I don' see our wage bill being massively more than last year. 

 

Mahrez is on What? £100k a week?

Huth on about £65k ish

Hamer on about £30k? 

That's £195k free to begin with.... 

 

Evans is on around £65k I'm assuming Pereira will be on similar, Maddison and this Georgian lad I would prob guess will get around £50-55k.....

 

So that's probably around a £50k increase on last year after Mahrez goes.... (of ourse these numbers are hearsay and guesswork but I doubt they are a million miles away)

 

When you consider we're likely to get rid of at east some of Benny,King,Slimani, ulloa, James, Mendy, Morgan? Amartey?...... That's prob around £250k worth on wages

 

..... I reckon we are fine in that regard

[Richard]

The fact is any guesses on wages are pure conjecture, but your post illuminates what has widely been said on here: We need to get rid of the dead wood (Mendy, Ulloa, Slimani, King, James, Kapustka, Musa the list goes on and on...).

 

It probably isn't quite penny pinching stage yet hence why we seem to be pushing on with Maddison and Kvirkvelia but we certainly need some names off the books.

[Tielemans63]

Think a few people need to relax a bit. Surely it's far better to get some quality new players in before shifting the dead wood than it is to offload a glut of players to bring in new players at a later date. We might well have missed out on Pereira, Evans, Maddison and Kvirkelia if we'd focused on the departures first.

Edited 18 June 2018 by Paddy.

[WigstonWanderer]

Regarding FFP, my understanding is that any increase in wages above 4m from one season to the next has to be financed by extra profit from commercial sales, gate receipts, transfer profits, CL winnings, etc.

 

I assume that for next season, the baselines will be taken from the season just gone. The profits from 17/18 will be considerably less than those of 16/17 as there were no CL receipts. Therefore wages cannot increase by more than 4m this coming season compared to last. 

 

Perhaps some of the dead wood could be moved on at a loss to just get them off the payroll to comply with FFP, even if that reduces profits further for this season, or results in a loss. At least that would avoid FFP issues.

 

Anyway, I’m no expert. I may have dreamt all this or made it all up.

Edited 18 June 2018 by WigstonWanderer

[brucey]

16 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Regarding FFP, my understanding is that any increase in wages above 4m from one season to the next has to be financed by extra profit from commercial sales, gate receipts, transfer profits, CL winnings, etc.

 

I assume that for next season, the baselines will be taken from the season just gone. The profits from 17/18 will be considerably less than those of 16/17 as there were no CL receipts. Therefore wages cannot increase by more than 4m this coming season compared to last. 

 

Perhaps some of the dead wood could be moved on at a loss to just get them off the payroll to comply with FFP, even if that reduces profits further for this season, or results in a loss. At least that would avoid FFP issues.

 

Anyway, I’m no expert. I may have dreamt all this or made it all up.

 

Half of the old guard's contracts expire next summer which will free up a large chunk of wages and enable us to go on a mini spending spree.

 

Just need to see things through this summer. Perhaps some creative accounting with renegotiating the KP shirt sponsorship deal. As I recall we are paying ourselves less than most other mid table teams are getting from their gambling shirt sponsors. And Mahrez leaving (and freeing up his wages) isn't guaranteed, as we should know from previous windows.

Edited 18 June 2018 by brucey

[WigstonWanderer]

12 minutes ago, brucey said:

Half of the old guard's contracts expire next summer which will free up a large chunk of wages and enable us to go on a mini spending spree.

 

Just need to see things through this summer. Perhaps some creative accounting with renegotiating the KP shirt sponsorship deal. As I recall we are paying ourselves less than most other mid table teams are getting from their gambling shirt sponsors. And Mahrez leaving (and freeing up his wages) isn't guaranteed, as we should know from previous windows.

 

Yes if the rules I referred to above are correct, we’re not that far off even with the new signings. If the total extra wages for them is about 200k per week, 80k is allowed and about another 40k or so reduction from Huth leaving. The rest could easily be financed from loan outs.

 

Surely any more buys need to be matched by sales though.

Edited 19 June 2018 by WigstonWanderer