Harvey Barnes - West Brom (loan)

[yorkie1999]

22 minutes ago, Babylon said:

So you agree they aren't competing for places then.

No, I’m saying Barnes can play in nachos position as well as a winger but nacho can’t play in either cos he’s crap. Plus Barnes chases the ball to try and win it.

[Foxxed]

Zero tackles that game. Played as a left sided striker. Villa looked better but Barnes always looked dangerous. Two goals off the Baggies top scorer. One assist away from top assists. His confidence will improve the more he stays at West Brom and I'm happy they're playing him up front yet he's already at the top of that league. At least he has guaranteed game time even if his opponents aren't guaranteed to test him too much.

[baldeagle]

Soooooo yep it’s great Harvey is doing well in the championship  but the Premiership is an all different kind of animal . We bossed the Championship the year we went up  with 100 points plus . But let’s be honest how many players struggled the first year in the prem. Let him do a full season in championship 

[mozartfox]

47 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

Soooooo yep it’s great Harvey is doing well in the championship  but the Premiership is an all different kind of animal . We bossed the Championship the year we went up  with 100 points plus . But let’s be honest how many players struggled the first year in the prem. Let him do a full season in championship 

Maddison is doing OK

[turtmcfly]

https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/12/blogs/west-brom-fans-head-over-heels-for-barnes-v-villa/

 

BeanMalpass? @Ric Flair you are a tart. 

[mozartfox]

 Claude please press recall button.  We need more creativity.  

[urban.spaceman]

9 hours ago, Foxhead said:

Beautiful. Still think Barnes should stay at WBA for the season to mature and improve but looks like he'll be a hell of a player.

 

Anyone thinks Tammy Abraham is worth a shout again? (11 in 14 this season for villa) another young, hungry talent!

4 of them were against Forest tho

[baldeagle]

6 hours ago, mozartfox said:

Maddison is doing OK

Yep , but he has struggled in some games plus he had a season in Scotland and a full season in the championship not just half a season before going into the prem . 

[mozartfox]

1 hour ago, baldeagle said:

Yep , but he has struggled in some games plus he had a season in Scotland and a full season in the championship not just half a season before going into the prem . 

Not sure this is a relevant comparison.  The Year in the Scottish Pub League certainly isn‘t.  Let’s face it, our creativity is not great and we are a couple of injuries away from being in the brown stuff.

[st albans fox]

Please let’s not recall him  .....the experience of a promotion campaign will be useful to us when we get relegated ............

[baldeagle]

28 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Not sure this is a relevant comparison.  The Year in the Scottish Pub League certainly isn‘t.  Let’s face it, our creativity is not great and we are a couple of injuries away from being in the brown stuff.

But there is ,  my point is Maddison had a season in Scotland and a full season in the championship and has struggled in some games as it’s a tougher league Barnes has had not even half a season in the championship so has even less experience  Having a full season in the championship with a winning team will give him more experience. 

[murphy]

10 hours ago, baldeagle said:

Soooooo yep it’s great Harvey is doing well in the championship  but the Premiership is an all different kind of animal . We bossed the Championship the year we went up  with 100 points plus . But let’s be honest how many players struggled the first year in the prem. Let him do a full season in championship 

And then we went and won the title the following year.

[ithuriel]

If we are actually going to play him, then recall, if however he is only going to warm the bench then he might as well stay where he is and continue his footballing education.

[Foxxed]

2 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

But there is ,  my point is Maddison had a season in Scotland and a full season in the championship and has struggled in some games as it’s a tougher league Barnes has had not even half a season in the championship so has even less experience  Having a full season in the championship with a winning team will give him more experience. 

I worry he needs to be playing against better opposition. He was easily one of the Baggies best players and showed composure for his assist in one of the biggest games of the season last night. I'm sure he can improve at the Hawthornes and the confidence and experience will do him good. But we're not even half way though the season and he's excelled in two position in one of the best clubs in the championship in their biggest games.

 

Whether the experience and confidence at the Baggies or the step up in the Premier League will be the best for his development is very much an open question. The only thing that makes me think he should stay is that he doesn't defend enough to be a winger here and I'm not sure we can play him alongside Maddision without a serious change in formation, a change that may benefit him but perhaps not the rest of the players.

[Foxxed]

And, fair enough, he's a young lad and the pressure of a promotion push will be good experience, even if he's not being tested by the opposition as much as he would in the Prem.

[matty98]

22 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

But there is ,  my point is Maddison had a season in Scotland and a full season in the championship and has struggled in some games as it’s a tougher league Barnes has had not even half a season in the championship so has even less experience  Having a full season in the championship with a winning team will give him more experience. 

Barnes has half a season in league 1 and also another half a season in the championship with Barnsley, if he's good enough, get him back and get him playing

[Mehrez]

I’d bring him back and start him on the left as West Brom have done frequently and allow the three behind the striker to be fluid and interchange

[mozartfox]

2 hours ago, matty98 said:

Barnes has half a season in league 1 and also another half a season in the championship with Barnsley, if he's good enough, get him back and get him playing

[baldeagle]

4 hours ago, murphy said:

And then we went and won the title the following year.

Yep after adding some players and the current players having a full season in the premier 

[baldeagle]

4 hours ago, matty98 said:

Barnes has half a season in league 1 and also another half a season in the championship with Barnsley, if he's good enough, get him back and get him playing

Yep didn’t he get recalled from Barnsley as he’s was getting played I might be wrong it a while ago 

[baldeagle]

20 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

When Mahrez was here he struggled in a quite a few games last season and we know how good he is, point is, there’s quality there but when Barnes comes back we can’t expect him to be a 8 or 9/10 every week just because he usually is in the Championship

I’m not expecting him too . I just think pulling him now for him to sit on our bench and possible getting the odd few minutes  is a backward move for his development . And the more he can experienced in mans football before playing for us the better 

[Fox92]

5 hours ago, mozartfox said:

Not sure this is a relevant comparison.  The Year in the Scottish Pub League certainly isn‘t.  Let’s face it, our creativity is not great and we are a couple of injuries away from being in the brown stuff.

The whole Scotland "pub league" thing is quite boring. Some players from the SPL, even in recent times, make the PL look easy too. There's two players in Liverpool's defence as an example.

[Dan]

57 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

The whole Scotland "pub league" thing is quite boring. Some players from the SPL, even in recent times, make the PL look easy too. There's two players in Liverpool's defence as an example.

Agree with this. It's obviously not a great standard but it's not like no good players have ever played there.

[mozartfox]

3 hours ago, Fox92 said:

The whole Scotland "pub league" thing is quite boring. Some players from the SPL, even in recent times, make the PL look easy too. There's two players in Liverpool's defence as an example.

There are always exceptions to the rule. Agree, the SPL is quite boring.  The League Leaders just got thrashed 5-1.

[Ric Flair]

Happy 21st Harvey, now come back in 3 weeks please and help this turgid season.