Grebfromgrebland Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 One issue I can see is that tend will wait until our full backs are both up the field then attack us on the break, a bit like how we used to play when we won the league. It's clear that if you let us have the ball our centrebacks will steadily move up to the halfway line and full backs to their 18 yard line then you can start tackling us and you'll have a foot race against the slowest centre backs in the league. Huddersfield scored a simple goal against us last season when their striker simply rolled Maguire and out paced him. This have won't be as easy as people hope it will.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 3 hours ago, AjcW said: I believe he needs time to implement such a monumental change in style. One thing I don't get is why we have to have such a monumental change in style. Are we trying to build towards challenging Man City and Liverpool for the title in 2 years time with these players? Maybe we've lost some sight of realism. 1
Md9 Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 Think we need to get an early goal to get everyone settled as the longer it goes 0-0 against these the more frustrated everyone will get and will prob lose to a sloppy goal from a corner or something. But I do think we will get the early goal and go on to win 3-0 ??
UniFox21 Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 36 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: One thing I don't get is why we have to have such a monumental change in style. Are we trying to build towards challenging Man City and Liverpool for the title in 2 years time with these players? Maybe we've lost some sight of realism. There is genuine confusion with what Puel's end game is, what does he want us to become? Like you mentioned, does he want us to be playing a style to challenge the elite in a few years? I feel he's almost pushed the change too much in his first season, this year is more understandable changing more but feel he's suffering from last year's poor results.
Foxxed Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 (edited) We're constantly caught out on the right. I think the idea was Mendy comes back to makes a back three to catch counter attacks. It ain't working though. Play Amartey. He will at least be there to catch counter attacks. Give Richardo the right wing. He's better than Ghezzal who can come on for Amartey if we're chasing a goal. On 17/09/2018 at 10:18, AKCJ said: As much as I want us to go with 3-5-2 in the long run, I think we're best continuing with a 4-2-3-1 against Huddersfield. They have next to no pace in their side, they won't be able to get into the space Chilwell and Pereira create when going forward. Schmeichel Ricardo Evans Maguire Chilwell Ndidi MEndy Ghezzal Maddison Gray Vardy We need to beat these and do it with a bit of a swagger. If we're going to drop Ndidi then give Hamza a shout. He spent an impressive end to last season screening the back four. I can't think of a better player given our woes at defending the counter. Edited 18 September 2018 by Foxxed 1
StriderHiryu Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 Regarding full backs out of position, we are totally guilty of it, but take a look at Liverpool versus PSG tonight in the Champions league. Both Alexander-Arnold and Robertson are two of Liverpool's most threatening players despite being full backs. That's what Puel is aiming to bring to us, but we just haven't got the balance right yet. 1
Foxxed Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 1 minute ago, StriderHiryu said: Regarding full backs out of position, we are totally guilty of it, but take a look at Liverpool versus PSG tonight in the Champions league. Both Alexander-Arnold and Robertson are two of Liverpool's most threatening players despite being full backs. That's what Puel is aiming to bring to us, but we just haven't got the balance right yet. In that "Puel at Nice in 2015" article it claimed Mendy would come back to help prevent counter attacks. What happened to that? For Bournemouth's first I could see Morgan and Maguire. Mendy's passing in the first 20 minutes was sublime. But neither he nor Ndidi were back helping with the defence. Does Puel not realise we taught the entire league in 2015/2016 that you counter attack the big teams?
UniFox21 Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 5 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: Regarding full backs out of position, we are totally guilty of it, but take a look at Liverpool versus PSG tonight in the Champions league. Both Alexander-Arnold and Robertson are two of Liverpool's most threatening players despite being full backs. That's what Puel is aiming to bring to us, but we just haven't got the balance right yet. It's taken Liverpool a couple of years to get to this, feel we're close, just not quite there yet. Worrying is Puel won't be given the time Klopp has 2
leicesterseddon Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 I’m sceptical about how long Puel can persist with the 4-2-3-1. Particularly when we’re playing at home it’s clear a lot of fans just hate it, believe it’s negative, etc. But I doubt he will change it just yet - so I think he will bring in Evans as a straight swap for Morgan. Personally I’d bring in Iborra/Silva for Mendy (who offers little going forward and does little more than duplicate Ndidi’s role). I’d bring Albrighton in for Gray, who I think has been largely awful this year. 1
Danno Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 They’ll take the lead from a corner and we’ll spend all game hoofing the ball up to their massive centre backs.
StriderHiryu Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Foxxed said: In that "Puel at Nice in 2015" article it claimed Mendy would come back to help prevent counter attacks. What happened to that? For Bournemouth's first I could see Morgan and Maguire. Mendy's passing in the first 20 minutes was sublime. But neither he nor Ndidi were back helping with the defence. Does Puel not realise we taught the entire league in 2015/2016 that you counter attack the big teams? Positionally Mendy does do that job, he slots in between the three when we push up. Actually we've been doing this for a while; Iborra did it when he partnered Ndidi too. But your point is super valid, he's not making the difference in terms of protecting the two centre backs and guarding against counter attacks. In fact it's not just the two goals that we conceded on the counter because King and Wilson were unlucky not to spring the trap on a few more occasions. It's been a huge problem in every game we've played so far, even the ones we've won. 12 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: It's taken Liverpool a couple of years to get to this, feel we're close, just not quite there yet. Worrying is Puel won't be given the time Klopp has I think it might take quite a while yet because we don't yet have a settled back four yet alone team. But I have a feeling that even if Puel went, the next coach that would come in would probably play a similar system, maybe change 4-2-3-1 for a more traditional 4-3-3 like Liverpool, but I expect our fullbacks to go raiding for the foreseeable future and at 21 and 24 years of age respectively, they should be able to do that for us. Edited 18 September 2018 by StriderHiryu 1
Popular Post Master Fox Posted 18 September 2018 Popular Post Posted 18 September 2018 Chillwell, Wes, Maddison, Mendy and Gray should all be dropped for this game. Albrighton, Fuchs, Shinji, Iborra, Evans to come in. 7
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 34 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: It's taken Liverpool a couple of years to get to this, feel we're close, just not quite there yet. Worrying is Puel won't be given the time Klopp has Come alive. We play with no intensity whatsoever now so we are a million miles away from being a Liverpool or even our own title winning side based on that factor alone. For some reason only known to the hierarchy we’ve thrown every good facet of what made us Champions and done the exact opposite including employing Puel and his style of play. A club of our size cant make it work playing the big boys at their own game. Total bullshit.
Guest Manini Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 (edited) If we can’t beat these dog bothering weirdos then I honestly won’t know where to turn. Puel must know he needs a reaction and a bit of a shake up so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Vardy and Ihnenacho starting and Soyuncu to make his debut. And for the record I’m of the opinion that it was always meant for Soyuncu to make his debut against these at home anyway, so regardless of his red card I think Morgan would have been on the bench for this. It’ll be absolutely madness if he comes back in after his suspension though, I’ll honestly start believing that something dodgy is going on behind the scenes if that happens. Edited 18 September 2018 by Manini
Popular Post UniFox21 Posted 18 September 2018 Popular Post Posted 18 September 2018 9 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Come alive. We play with no intensity whatsoever now so we are a million miles away from being a Liverpool or even our own title winning side based on that factor alone. For some reason only known to the hierarchy we’ve thrown every good facet of what made us Champions and done the exact opposite including employing Puel and his style of play. A club of our size cant make it work playing the big boys at their own game. Total bullshit. Close, being we have the personnel to do it. A couple of years away to get the formation and tactics sorted to fully utilise what we have. Didn't say we were a Liverpool, simply said its taken them a few years to get the system right, before you start "come alive" me read what I said. As I said to someone else, did you not watch the 2016/17 or 17/18 season? Teams knew what we'd do and countered our style. We lost Kante, a huge cog in our machine. We couldn't stay playing as we were, otherwise Ranieri or Shakey would still be in charge. The change was needed, maybe not as extreme as Puel has brought in, but a change was needed. It's not total bullshit. Bullshit is thinking we can stay as a counter attacking team for ever and not evolve into a team comfortable with holding possession. 3 3
Foxxed Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 30 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: Positionally Mendy does do that job, he slots in between the three when we push up. Actually we've been doing this for a while; Iborra did it when he partnered Ndidi too. But your point is super valid, he's not making the difference in terms of protecting the two centre backs and guarding against counter attacks. In fact it's not just the two goals that we conceded on the counter because King and Wilson were unlucky not to spring the trap on a few more occasions. It's been a huge problem in every game we've played so far, even the ones we've won. It's even more strange given Mendy knows Puel's tactics from Nice where apparently Mendy did prevent counter attacks. I don't know why Mendy is further back then Ndidi most of the time either. I assume Ndidi's tackling ability would better serve the defence. And Mendy's passing would better serve the midfield. I know it's crazy to sub the Premier League's best tackler but I'd like to see Choudhury. In the u23s he's very happy helping the defence and recycling lost balls back into midfield. 2
Ashley Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said: Regarding full backs out of position, we are totally guilty of it, but take a look at Liverpool versus PSG tonight in the Champions league. Both Alexander-Arnold and Robertson are two of Liverpool's most threatening players despite being full backs. That's what Puel is aiming to bring to us, but we just haven't got the balance right yet. I mentioned this at the Liverpool game. How Liverpool set up is actually brilliant, especially on attacks and playing from the back. The make the pitch wide as they possibly can with Robertson and TAA, Mane and Salah kept tucking into Firmino Robertson and TAA pushed into an attacking wide positions. Milner kept dropping into left back and im sure GW kept doing the same for right back so in the end it looked something like. Alison Gomez Vvd Milner Henderson GW TAA Robertson Salah Firmino Mane Milner and Robertson heat maps below. Edited 18 September 2018 by Ashley 1
Foxxed Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 16 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Come alive. We play with no intensity whatsoever now so we are a million miles away from being a Liverpool or even our own title winning side based on that factor alone. For some reason only known to the hierarchy we’ve thrown every good facet of what made us Champions and done the exact opposite including employing Puel and his style of play. A club of our size cant make it work playing the big boys at their own game. Total bullshit. Craig Shakespeare. Shakespeare tried to reignite every good facet that made up Champions. The management did try to keep every good facet of what made us Champions. We were dogshit. We nearly got relegated. When you're reminiscing about the past, if you're not careful, you may miss the present day and the future. 3
UniFox21 Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 Just now, Foxxed said: Craig Shakespeare. Shakespeare tried to reignite every good facet that made up Champions. The management did try to keep every good facet of what made us Champions. We were dogshit. We nearly got relegated. When you're reminiscing about the past, if you're not careful, you may miss the present day and the future. At times its like some posters forget of that whole period of last year. We lost the ability to play like that when Kante left and everyone knew our game plan
gurru991 Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 1 hour ago, Master Fox said: Chillwell, Wes, Maddison, Mendy and Gray should all be dropped for this game. Albrighton, Fuchs, Shinji, Iborra, Evans to come in. Please tell me this is tongue in cheek. Humor ??
Gubbins Posted 19 September 2018 Posted 19 September 2018 4 hours ago, UniFox21 said: At times its like some posters forget of that whole period of last year. We lost the ability to play like that when Kante left and everyone knew our game plan Its like the theory that Puel is purposefully not playing to Vardys strengths, totally ignoring that every side outside the top 6 now sits deep to specifically neutralise him by making it far more difficult to get the ball in behind the defence. This was repeatedly and painfully evidenced by the unsuccessful hoofing we used under Ranieri and Shakespeare the previous two seasons. The theory does however work with the narrative that a lot of posters have that Puel is utterly terrible and must be dispensed with immediately ? 1
gurru991 Posted 19 September 2018 Posted 19 September 2018 There are no easy games in the Premier League & Huddersfield are well coached and solid at the back. They will play a defensive game hoping to pick up a goal from a set piece or a quick break. It will not be a walk in the park and the longer we go without scoring the tougher it will get. Hopefully we can get a goal in the first twenty minutes and force Huddersfield to change their game plan a little. I would like to see more shots from around the edge of the box, maybe Maddison or Ndidi to pop one.
Jazzy_Jeff Posted 19 September 2018 Posted 19 September 2018 Schmeichel ricardo evans maguire chilwell ndidi silva ghezzal maddison gray vardy subs: ward, soyuncu, Fuchs, albrighton, mendy, Okazaki, iheanacho
Pete Campbell Posted 19 September 2018 Posted 19 September 2018 Albrighton in for Ghezzal and maybe Fuchs in for Chilwell.
CosbehFox Posted 19 September 2018 Posted 19 September 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: One thing I don't get is why we have to have such a monumental change in style. The 2015/16 style wasn't going to last - as proved by getting whacked by everyone in sight early doors in the next season. Teams play about fifteen yards deeper on us as there's a general appreciation that we are a good team with good players. Something had to change - whether a monumental shift was the correct way is hard to say. Edited 19 September 2018 by Cardiff_Fox
Recommended Posts