Leicester v West Ham- Pre Match Thread

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

Liverpool and Southampton??  We were toothless against Liverpool ( wonder just what we were missing that day .....) and Southampton were just a poor side (our goals being a defensive error and a speculative grass cutter from thirty yards). you can play well but you need someone up top to finish things off. Don’t underestimate how opposition defences sh1t themselves against Vardy and are less comfortable taking risks with the ball, turning possession over to us cheaply. 

This is no excuse.

 

"Southampton/Huddersfield were a poor side" yet if we lose to Liverpool/Man Utd then we weren't/aren't "good enough". 

 

The man can't win.

Edited 27 October 2018 by Fox92

[Old Fox]

1 hour ago, Albert said:

For me when it comes to Vards then yes he’s undroppable! Who would u replace him with?? Regardless of form you don’t drop your best player especially when he’s such an influencial leader of the squad! U can dress it up however u want with regards to form etc but the fact of the matter is we are by far a better team when Vardy is in it than when he’s not! It’s just another erratic decision from a manager that will just alienate himself even more from the players, staff & the majority of fans that aren’t wearing blinkers

Albert - spot on!

However the way we are being set up to play is frustrating the life out of him and he is one of several who are becoming more and vociferous in the lack of flexibility in CP.

All of his claims around changing the system, bringing youth in and referring to his past records in Europe is becoming tiresome for the players when it is abundantly clear he has tactically made us worse by demanding complete possession football which has blunted any threat from our best threat.

Fans backing this imo should be careful what they wish for because 16 or 17 sides in the prem would die for a Vardy and his piece by piece breaking up of our title wining squad reminds me of a certain P Taylor - we needed to evolve but utilise the qualities and build on them - don't just destroy them!

Personally hope he goes quickly before the window as he is not all be appears to me and we have gone backwards in the past 18 months - so so frustrating!!

[UniFox21]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Dropping Vardy is a big gamble. Reminds me of when Ruud Gullit dropped Shearer

Win, and Puel will get a stay of execution from the fans, lose and he’ll be slated, especially if we don’t score.

Big game today imo. I think Puel’s tenure is more tentative than most would dare say.

But, id rather Puel take a gamble and see what happens then just stick with the usual.

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

This is no excuse.

 

"Southampton/Huddersfield were a poor side" yet if we lose to Liverpool/Man Utd then we weren't/aren't "good enough". 

 

The man can't win.

He is a target coz there is no resoect fir him.... he does some good things but we cant fathom his decisions on matchday 

[Fox92]

5 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Anyone else strangely excited to see what happens? If we win and perform well without Vardy playing this could turn out to be a good thing for our squad... 

Mate Iheanacho could score 4 goals and we could beat West Ham 10-0 but the same old people will come out with the same of stuff like "oh West Ham are just poor". 

[Fox92]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

He is a target coz there is no resoect fir him.... he does some good things but we cant fathom his decisions on matchday 

Because we sit on a forum and don't watch the players every day in training?

[whoareyaaa]

Would be a risk dropping him he hasn't exactly been on fire this season but hes our main goal threat and strikers go through bad patches...

 

I'd be more worried about the midfield and defence

 

 

[mozartfox]

I am not in the Puel out camp, but struggling to understand he may be dropping Vardy but insists on playing Wes week in week out?   Is Puel trying to engineer an early sacking?

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Think this could be a potential disaster if  true.

He's halved our strike force this season by getting rid of Slimani and Ulloa

without replacing them and relying on Nacho and a pissed off Vardy is skating on thin ice.

 

[woollett the bullet]

1 hour ago, Albert said:

For me when it comes to Vards then yes he’s undroppable! Who would u replace him with?? Regardless of form you don’t drop your best player especially when he’s such an influencial leader of the squad! U can dress it up however u want with regards to form etc but the fact of the matter is we are by far a better team when Vardy is in it than when he’s not! It’s just another erratic decision from a manager that will just alienate himself even more from the players, staff & the majority of fans that aren’t wearing blinkers

Exactly 

Form is temporary , class is permanent.

Like Mahrez always likely to provide a match winning moment - regardless of drifting in and out of games.

[reynard]

12 hours ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

So when defenders can't adapt to new styles of play they are useless old frauds. But when forwards can't adapt it's the managers fault.... Classic FT

A manager should be able to utilise all the best players he has in his squad. The fact is that Vardy is the joint leading goal scorer this season, he also has at least one assist. This is ahuge gamble and without him we are a poorer side.

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Because we sit on a forum and don't watch the players every day in training?

We can only measure progress on match day.... and he should too.   Bafflingly tactics and substitutions.... what us tge rest if his decision making like.

He wobt be here in 12mths time.  We need to line up someone better and move on.  The sooner we accept this the brighter the futute

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

This is no excuse.

 

"Southampton/Huddersfield were a poor side" yet if we lose to Liverpool/Man Utd then we weren't/aren't "good enough". 

 

The man can't win.

I’m speaking about missing Vardy as a player ........  we should be able to beat sides which are playing v poorly without him. It’s not a comment on Puel. 

[UniFox21]

1 hour ago, Albert said:

For me when it comes to Vards then yes he’s undroppable! Who would u replace him with?? Regardless of form you don’t drop your best player especially when he’s such an influencial leader of the squad! U can dress it up however u want with regards to form etc but the fact of the matter is we are by far a better team when Vardy is in it than when he’s not! It’s just another erratic decision from a manager that will just alienate himself even more from the players, staff & the majority of fans that aren’t wearing blinkers

Vardy is a huge player for us, a leader on the pitch and really represents us as a team.

 

But no one is undroppable. 

He hasn't been performing of late and hence should be considered to be dropped or the system changed. Undroppable is where you start getting player power and unrest from. 

 

and your final comment is ridiculous. He chooses who he thinks is best to get the win, if he thinks thats without vardy for a game, then we support that.

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Mate Iheanacho could score 4 goals and we could beat West Ham 10-0 but the same old people will come out with the same of stuff like "oh West Ham are just poor". 

If we win comfortably today then I will make a judgement as to whether having Vardy in/out of the side would have made any difference. West Ham, despite their injuries, are a decent side and capable of winning today.  I’m not dissing the manager for the sake of  it , just making the point that this could tip him over the edge before the owners wanted to make a call which could screw up any planned succession. 

[Guest Col city fan]

51 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

Reminds me of when Taylor dropped Steve Walsh because of players discontent 

Aye.. and look what happened there

My concern is this: IF Puel is playing politics here, I’m unconvinced he has the stomach for the fight. 

[Guest Col city fan]

14 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

But, id rather Puel take a gamble and see what happens then just stick with the usual.

That’s your opinion mate. The point I’m making is it better work 

[reynard]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Aye.. and look what happened there

My concern is this: IF Puel is playing politics here, I’m unconvinced he has the stomach for the fight. 

The other alternative view could be that he is so certain of his postion it is a gamble he is willing to take.

Edited 27 October 2018 by reynard

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Liverpool and Southampton??  We were toothless against Liverpool ( wonder just what we were missing that day .....) and Southampton were just a poor side (our goals being a defensive error and a speculative grass cutter from thirty yards). you can play well but you need someone up top to finish things off. Don’t underestimate how opposition defences sh1t themselves against Vardy and are less comfortable taking risks with the ball, turning possession over to us cheaply. 

I was impressed with our general play at Man U and Liverpool. As I said, well aware someone needs to finish the chances we create.

[GingerrrFox]

Anyone backing Vardy in this can **** off quite simply.

 

No player is bigger than the team or indeed the club itself. Vardy by his own standards has been piss poor this season. People can talk bollocks about him being marginalised and not playing to his strengths - it’s all hot air. The basics of effort and determination have been lacking all season.

 

No player is untouchable. His **** Mrs liking tweets asking for Puel out, him making sly Instagram posts and then speaking out to John Percy are all actions of a man who cares more about himself than the team. Quite frankly it stinks of “who the **** does the manager think he is dropping me?”. He needs to look in the mirror. As an example, he barely played in the World Cup as he said himself and missed pre-season, yet when he got his three match ban, rather than staying to work hard in training and get sharp. He swanned off to Disneyland Paris, get your priorities right. 

 

[Devonfox1884]

I’m hoping that come next season the whole ‘player power’ thing will die down... We have a few players out of contract (including Simpson and Wes) and a couple of others will be moved on. It’ll be a minor overhaul of the squad which could be exactly what’s needed.

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, Devonfox1884 said:

I’m hoping that come next season the whole ‘player power’ thing will die down... We have a few players out of contract (including Simpson and Wes) and a couple of others will be moved on. It’ll be a minor overhaul of the squad which could be exactly what’s needed.

It won't die down whilst the fans and owners constantly back the players. 

 

If players are unhappy with Puel, I'm fine with that but you still need to be professional. 

 

People whining to the press and taking sly digs is out of order and no matter what people think of the manager, it shouldn't be condoned. 

 

The writing is on the wall for Puel, but I'm glad he's got the guts to try and deal with it.

[lgfualol]

24 minutes ago, Old Fox said:

Albert - spot on!

However the way we are being set up to play is frustrating the life out of him and he is one of several who are becoming more and vociferous in the lack of flexibility in CP.All of his claims around changing the system, bringing youth in and referring to his past records in Europe is becoming tiresome for the players when it is abundantly clear he has tactically made us worse by demanding complete possession football which has blunted any threat from our best threat.

Our best threat got Ranieri and Shakespeare the sack because it didnt work anymore. You cant rely on counter attacks forever, especially with our defence and no Kante. The only teams that defend for 90 minutrs and rely on counter attacks are at the bottom of the table.

 

With or without Puel we had to become more of a team that can control games with possession. If Vardy had such a problem he shouldnt have signed a 4 year deal while Puel was in charge.

[Babylon]

28 minutes ago, Old Fox said:

Albert - spot on!

However the way we are being set up to play is frustrating the life out of him and he is one of several who are becoming more and vociferous in the lack of flexibility in CP.

All of his claims around changing the system, bringing youth in and referring to his past records in Europe is becoming tiresome for the players when it is abundantly clear he has tactically made us worse by demanding complete possession football which has blunted any threat from our best threat.

Fans backing this imo should be careful what they wish for because 16 or 17 sides in the prem would die for a Vardy and his piece by piece breaking up of our title wining squad reminds me of a certain P Taylor - we needed to evolve but utilise the qualities and build on them - don't just destroy them!

Personally hope he goes quickly before the window as he is not all be appears to me and we have gone backwards in the past 18 months - so so frustrating!!

He got 20 goals last season and we are scoring from counters more than ever under Puel. Made us worse? When the last two got sacked for being in the bottom three... give it a rest.

[Guest Col city fan]

10 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Anyone backing Vardy in this can **** off quite simply.

 

No player is bigger than the team or indeed the club itself. Vardy by his own standards has been piss poor this season. People can talk bollocks about him being marginalised and not playing to his strengths - it’s all hot air. The basics of effort and determination have been lacking all season.

 

No player is untouchable. His **** Mrs liking tweets asking for Puel out, him making sly Instagram posts and then speaking out to John Percy are all actions of a man who cares more about himself than the team. Quite frankly it stinks of “who the **** does the manager think he is dropping me?”. He needs to look in the mirror. As an example, he barely played in the World Cup as he said himself and missed pre-season, yet when he got his three match ban, rather than staying to work hard in training and get sharp. He swanned off to Disneyland Paris, get your priorities right. 

 

That’s just too simplistic imo. Probably why you’ve got 4 likes already.

A strong manager would surely take one of the club’s best ever strikers and still our best striker, get him under his wing and get him performing. Evolution not revolution is generally more effective. Even contemplating dropping Vardy, and playing the likes of Ghezzal, Mendy and Amartey appears crazy. As I said, IF this is the way Puel is going, it better work.