Kasper Schmeichel...

[adejo92]

I'm really not a fan of Kasper Schmeichel. 

 

I get he can be a great shot stopper for the most part but his positioning is questionable for a number of goals throughout the years. 

 

Another frustration is his inability to actually kick a ball and keep it within the field of play. 

 

I've also heard, from a fairly reliable source who works for the club, that Kasper is the instigator of the 'click' that saw managers sacked through player power. Having seen his attitude and arrogance over and over, this becomes more believable. 

[coolhandfox]

30 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Don't attempt to misquote or misrepresent. But a sense of position does help

It was neither, I was asking you a question, as implied by the ? 

[Toddybad]

This season so far. Goalkeeping performance based on expected save percentage (a gk version of xG)

 

 

[coolhandfox]

3 minutes ago, Toddybad said:

This season so far. Goalkeeping performance based on expected save percentage (a gk version of xG)

 

 

Don't post this, it doesn't fit with the boo boys agenda.....

[StanSP]

4 minutes ago, Toddybad said:

This season so far. Goalkeeping performance based on expected save percentage (a gk version of xG)

 

 

So he's actually doing alright (or better) and we need to stop being so dramatic about a keeper who's been seriously good for an extended period of time?

[HankMarvin]

18 minutes ago, Toddybad said:

This season so far. Goalkeeping performance based on expected save percentage (a gk version of xG)

 

 

Outdated

4 games ago

7 conceded goals since then 

[KingsX]

1 hour ago, adejo92 said:

I'm really not a fan of  Kasper Schmeichel  anybody or anything.

 

     We've noticed. 

[The_Rorab]

I don't mean this as ammo for replacing Kasper, I'm not exactly sure where I stand on the topic - but that data, whilst sure, being valid, implies Roberto for West Ham for example was a decent keeper who performed above average in his xSave Percentage, which might be true, but he was an absolute garbage fire for them. We all know Kasper excels at shot stopping, but it's the other areas of his game that he could stand to improve on.

Edited 3 February 2020 by The_Rorab

[st albans fox]

20 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Outdated

4 games ago

7 conceded goals since then 

So all we are seeing last few games is the swinging back of the statistical pendulum ........  Kasper remains a v good keeper 

 

Edited 3 February 2020 by st albans fox

[HankMarvin]

4 minutes ago, The_Rorab said:

I don't mean this as ammo for replacing Kasper, I'm not exactly sure where I stand on the topic - but that data, whilst sure, being valid, implies Roberto for West Ham for example was a decent keeper who performed above average in his xSave Percentage, which might be true, but he was an absolute garbage fire for them. We all know Kasper excels at shot stopping, but it's the other areas of his game that he could stand to improve on.

agreed

shot stopping percentage range from the best 1 Henderson 74%  to 19 pickford 62.5%

there isn't much in it with top flight keepers.

 

What does become noticeable, is if you check the other assets of a keepers game

 

high claims

 

 

punches

 

 

[adejo92]

1 hour ago, KingsX said:

 

     We've noticed. 

To be fair, I had to thumbs up you myself for that one. 

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

The real mystery to me is why after all this time, people still don't know his name... 

That is probably because I've got a dog named Caspar,  no family connection however 😁

[bmt]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

agreed

shot stopping percentage range from the best 1 Henderson 74%  to 19 pickford 62.5%

there isn't much in it with top flight keepers.

 

What does become noticeable, is if you check the other assets of a keepers game

 

high claims

 

 

punches

 

 

But that’s also misrepresentative as there’s way more than 20 goalkeepers who have played in the prem

[StanSP]

Kasper also has 8 clean sheets this season.

Only Alisson, Pope and Henderson above him in that regard so far.

[volpeazzurro]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Kasper also has 8 clean sheets this season.

Only Alisson, Pope and Henderson above him in that regard so far.

Strange how we alot clean sheets to goalkeepers and not the defence or other players in front of them. If the opposition don't have any shots on target for example, how can that be credited to the goalkeeper? Or, arguably you could have a goalkeeper like Fabianski who despite a  poor defence in front of him regularly protects his team. Therefore it is a misleading statistic unless broken down further. I don't know what it would look like in Schmeichel's case but outside of Liverpool up until Christmas, I would suggest that he had one of the strongest back fours in the Premiership in front of him. 

[volpeazzurro]

8 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

I don't see any reason Manchester United doesn't recall Henderson and make him their #1 keeper.  He's not being sold permanently to us or anyone else.

I think you're quite possibly right as he's an outstanding young prospect. 

[HankMarvin]

13 minutes ago, bmt said:

But that’s also misrepresentative as there’s way more than 20 goalkeepers who have played in the prem

feel free to contact the premier league to ask them why there is only 20 on the page

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, volpeazzurro said:

Strange how we alot clean sheets to goalkeepers and not the defence or other players in front of them. If the opposition don't have any shots on target for example, how can that be credited to the goalkeeper? Or, arguably you could have a goalkeeper like Fabianski who despite a  poor defence in front of him regularly protects his team. Therefore it is a misleading statistic unless broken down further. I don't know what it would look like in Schmeichel's case but outside of Liverpool up until Christmas, I would suggest that he had one of the strongest back fours in the Premiership in front of him. 

Same goes for saves then, as well.

 

Kasper is relatively middle ground (11th) but does he make less saves because the defence in front of him stops the amount of shots that get through?

[bmt]

3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

feel free to contact the premier league to ask them why there is only 20 on the page

Not saying that or that it was intentional but 12 and 16/20 looks way worse than 12 and 16 out of 29 (I think).

 

also absolute numbers tell us very little anyway 

Edited 3 February 2020 by bmt

[HankMarvin]

Just now, bmt said:

Not saying that or that it was intentional but 12 and 16/20 looks way worse than 12 and 16 out of 29 (I think).

what relevance would it be for the keepers that have played a couple of games

29 keepers haven't played 25 games or even 10 

[bmt]

5 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

what relevance would it be for the keepers that have played a couple of games

29 keepers haven't played 25 games or even 10 

To be honest i hadn’t seen it was absolute numbers until after I responded. But using absolute numbers isn’t that fair either, note Alisson isn’t on the lists because nobody ever manages to get a cross in against them and Adrian has played half the games. You wouldn’t argue they’re bad keepers because of it.

Edited 3 February 2020 by bmt

[David Hankey]

10 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Strange how we alot clean sheets to goalkeepers and not the defence or other players in front of them. If the opposition don't have any shots on target for example, how can that be credited to the goalkeeper? Or, arguably you could have a goalkeeper like Fabianski who despite a  poor defence in front of him regularly protects his team. Therefore it is a misleading statistic unless broken down further. I don't know what it would look like in Schmeichel's case but outside of Liverpool up until Christmas, I would suggest that he had one of the strongest back fours in the Premiership in front of him. 

Clean sheets can only be credited to goalkeepers on the number of saves they've had to make. I agree if you have a solid defence and the opposition doesn't actually get a shot on target the clean sheet cannot be credited to the goalkeeper.

[volpeazzurro]

8 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Same goes for saves then, as well.

 

Kasper is relatively middle ground (11th) but does he make less saves because the defence in front of him stops the amount of shots that get through?

I think they are both indeterminate hence statistics can be flawed depending upon how you measure them. However, if the opposition don't have a shot, both of us, if employed between the sticks could attain the same stats.

[HankMarvin]

7 minutes ago, bmt said:

To be honest i hadn’t seen it was absolute numbers until after I responded. But using absolute numbers isn’t that fair either, note Alisson isn’t on the lists because nobody ever manages to get a cross in against them and Adrian has played half the games. You wouldn’t argue they’re bad keepers because of it.

Leno

ARSGKP

Ryan

BHAGKP

Pope

BURGKP

Pickford

EVEGKP

Schmeichel

LEIGKP

de Gea

MUNGKP

Dubravka

NEWGKP

Foster

WATGKP

Patrício

WOLGKP

Ramsdale

BOUGKP

Kepa

CHEGKP

Henderson

SHUGKP

Guaita

CRYGKP

Krul

NORGKP

Ederson

MCIGKP

Heaton

AVLGKP

Gazzaniga

TOTGKP

Alisson

LIVGKP

McCarthy

SOUGKP

Fabianski

WHUGKP

Gunn

SOUGKP

 

only 21 keepers have played over 10 games 900 minutes, the rest are irrelevant when considering the punch and high clams stats

Edited 3 February 2020 by HankMarvin

[brucey]

2 hours ago, Toddybad said:

This season so far. Goalkeeping performance based on expected save percentage (a gk version of xG)

 

 

Pope was top and Kasper was near-bottom a couple seasons ago, now they've switched places. Debatable how accurate this metric is.