Under Claude Puel, nine players have been sent off in 33 matches

[Bazly]

I read this in a news article today, I didn't realise it was quite that bad.

 

Officially the dirtiest team in the EPL with twice as many red cards. OK Morgan's two this season is due to his being too slow to catch anyone so the only way to stop players now is to hack, push, pull or find any other means to foul. That probably not dirty, more a sign of a player that has passed their sell by date. It'd be a keen fact to know how many minutes the side has played as 10 from the 13 sending off. Whichever way you look at it, its a damning stat not in our favour.

Edited 26 November 2018 by Bazly

[Countryfox]

 

No diseeepleeen.

[elvisfmcfly]

Nothing is down to Puel only a win! Foxestalk rules! 

[Dames]

People will bury their head in the sand and say its not an issue with the manager but that of the players but they are wrong. Puel is at fault for picking Morgan and other teams have exploited it by putting pacey strikers up against him - This is an example of Puel being out thought tactically and the ramifications of that is Morgan getting sent off for making desperate challenges.

 

Other wise I think its the style of play we are implementing because everything is slow and patient even the transitions between defence and attack are so if we get caught out during one of these slow transitions we are on the backfoot and desperate challenges are made.

 

There have been exceptions I.e. Vardy and Maddison but it is definitely an issue that needs addressing by the manager.

[demon_dog]

I thought about this on Saturday following the sending off.

It's an appalling disciplinary record, this needs stamping on by the manager.

At the end of the day playing with only ten men has cost us points, simply not good enough.

 

[Xen]

Bit harsh to blame these all on Puel.

 

Morgan's two have been individual errors. Perhaps Puel could have taken him off sooner in the Everton game, but as our long-term captain you'd trust Morgan to be sensible when already on a yellow. Remember that Morgan has been absolutely fine keeping his discipline against pacey strikers in previous years, so not sure why you think it's bad management to play him in those situations this year. Especially when injuries for Evans/Soyuncu have essentially forced Morgan to start, anyway!

 

Vardy saw red in an instant and paid the price. We all know Vardy has that in him but usually he channels it well. That aggression is exactly what makes him so effective, when he uses it correctly. Again, nothing Puel could have done for the individual error.

 

Maddison was stupid and I'd like to think that Puel will encourage our players not to dive, but it happens right across the prem so again, chastising Puel for that is unneccessarily harsh. The second yellow was so swift after the first that he couldn't have done anything to prevent that, either.

 

 

There are many things Puel can improve upon - and I'm certain he'll be addressing the discipline issue - but he can only affect it so much. Ultimately, that part is down to the players.

 

Edited 26 November 2018 by Xen

[LestaAl]

My view - the players have been frustrated with the way the teams have been set up and the style of play they are being asked to follow. 

Claude is responsible for that so its up to him to get on it and sort things out as its costing us points.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Here we go again. 

[FoxNotFox]

It's reaching to suggest it's Puel's fault.

[OhYesNdidi]

Just now, LestaAl said:

My view - the players have been frustrated with the way the teams have been set up and the style of play they are being asked to follow. 

Claude is responsible for that so its up to him to get on it and sort things out as its costing us points.

What? 

 

Ndidi - Dived

Maddison - Dive

Vardy vs Wolves was unforgivable considering he had an easy 5 yard pass he should have made just before he took a heavy touch.

Amartey vs United was just lazy + the fact he’d just come on.

The two Wes Morgan’s were poor from the captain.

 

i just don’t see how people can seriously blame puel for these incidents? Maybe Wes vs Everton as he could have taken him off but that’s it. 

[Babylon]

It's happening too often for questions not to be asked, but I think we've been treated quite harshly a well. Some of them have been as soft as you'll see sending off wise. We're far from a dirty team, 21 yellows is pretty average to be honest. So it comes down to poor decision making from players, they've continued to do that, so the manager needs to be trying to stamp it out.

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, LestaAl said:

My view - the players have been frustrated with the way the teams have been set up and the style of play they are being asked to follow. 

Claude is responsible for that so its up to him to get on it and sort things out as its costing us points.

The yellows would be through the roof if that were the case. They aren't thought, we've got no more yellows that Bournemouth. The second yellows have more often than not been under no pressure in nothing areas, totally needless.

[AKCJ]

• Albrighton bringing Zaha down when he was 1 on 1 away at Palace
• Ndidi booked twice for two good tackles IIRC away at Brighton
• Chilwell booked twice away at Chelsea, pretty soft.
• Amartey making two fouls on Rashford in the space of about 5 minutes at home to Man United.
• Wes pair of daft fouls at home to Everton.
• Vardy clattering Doherty at home to Wolves.
• Maddison two stupid bookings away at Brighton.
• Wes away at Bournemouth first booking deserved second booking very harsh.
• Ndidi sent off for 2nd yellow dive at home to Palace.

 

[BKLFox]

5 minutes ago, Xen said:

Bit harsh to blame these all on Puel.

 

Morgan's two have been individual errors. Perhaps Puel could have taken him off sooner in the Everton game, but as our long-term captain you'd trust Morgan to be sensible when already on a yellow. Remember that Morgan has been absolutely fine keeping his discipline against pacey strikers in previous years, so not sure why you think it's bad management to play him in those situations this year. Especially when injuries for Evans/Soyuncu have essentially forced Morgan to start, anyway!

 

Vardy saw red in an instant and paid the price. We all know Vardy has that in him but usually he channels it well. That aggression is exactly what makes him so effective, when he uses it correctly. Again, nothing Puel could have done for the individual error.

 

Maddison was stupid and I'd like to think that Puel will encourage our players not to dive, but it happens right across the prem so again, chastising Puel for that is unneccessarily harsh. The second yellow was so swift after the first that he couldn't have done anything to prevent that, either.

 

 

There are many things Puel can improve upon - and I'm certain he'll be addressing the discipline issue - but he can only affect it so much. Ultimately, that part is down to the players.

 

Had my comments all typed out did a refresh and saw your comments Xen which virtually mirrored mine, its so hard for a manager to manage a rush of blood to the head, maybe he should go down the same lines as Ranieri with stick and treat and take away their Dr Beats for the trip home if they get a yellow.

[yorkie1999]

We're being targeted by refs to get their quotas up.

[FoxNotFox]

OYN (edit: and later AKCJ) highlights the question of just how you find a commonality to the sendings off to suggest a single cause. It's not that simple.

 

Perhaps the only element that I might tentatively suggest they have in common is, perhaps, frustration. And that frustration could be borne of different reasons. No, its far too simplistic to suggest it's entirely due to any one thing.

Edited 26 November 2018 by FoxNotFox

[Ian Nacho]

We're not dirty. We're just thick. 

[Countryfox]

 

It rained a lot in Brighton on Saturday and I got very wet.   Puel out !!!

[Xen]

5 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said:

What? 

 

Ndidi - Dived

Maddison - Dive

Vardy vs Wolves was unforgivable considering he had an easy 5 yard pass he should have made just before he took a heavy touch.

Amartey vs United was just lazy + the fact he’d just come on.

The two Wes Morgan’s were poor from the captain.

 

i just don’t see how people can seriously blame puel for these incidents? Maybe Wes vs Everton as he could have taken him off but that’s it. 

 

As you say, the Everton one is probably the only one where Puel could've done anything about in-game. But importantly, Morgan's discipline record has been fantastic for the last few seasons and as the experienced captain, you'd reasonably expect him to keep his head and play a safe game. Especially as we were more-or-less in control of the game at the time.

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

We're not dirty. We're just thick. 

Watching our players I think that's sadly quite a big part of it.

[Suzie the Fox]

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wes-morgan-leicester-city-brighton-2257505

 

Leicester City captain Wes Morgan has called for talks with referees to clarify what exactly is a booking offence after growing increasingly frustrated with the inconsistency of decisions.

Morgan, who has been sent off twice already this season for picking up two yellow cards in games, does not dispute the two yellow cards, awarded to James Maddison inside three minutes which saw the attacking midfielder awarded the fourth red card of the season.

Maddison has publicly apologised for the dive which led to his second yellow , but Morgan and his City team-mates were visibly frustrated with referee Chris Kavanagh as challenges that earned yellow cards for some players were then deemed unworthy of a yellow for others.

However, Morgan admits City need to learn from their mistakes when on a yellow card, but insists there needs to be more clarity.

The dive that got James Maddison sent off in Leicester City's draw with Brighton (Image: Gareth Fuller/PA Wire)
“From my position, I thought it was a penalty but I’ve looked at the replay and there wasn’t much contact so it’s down to the referee to make a decision,” Morgan said of Maddison’s second booking.

“We need to learn or referees need to tell us what are yellow cards as there seems to be a lot of yellow cards dished for minimal things and maybe we need to sit down with the referees and find out exactly what would be a yellow card and what’s not.

“Obviously the players in most teams in the league get a lot of yellow cards which in other seasons, wouldn’t be yellow cards.

“Referees come in at the start of every season and make their points. I don’t always agree but it’s clear this season especially that they need help and I know whether they’re introducing the VAR which I think is going to be a good thing.

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“They need to make it clear what is a yellow card and what’s not because certainly the yellow cards I’ve got this season, I certainly feel weren’t deserved and I’ve won the ball clearly on many occasions which I’ve got yellow cards for, so from my point of view, I’m not sure where we stand.”

Manager Claude Puel echoed Morgan’s belief that City have been harshly dealt with by referees this season.

“It was the first foul we can discuss,” said Puel, referring to the cynical trip by Maddison on Anthony Knockaert which earned the first booking.

“I saw an opponent pull the shirt of one of our players without taking a yellow card. It is football.

Claude Puel, Manager of Leicester City looks on during the Premier League match between Brighton & Hove Albion and Leicester City at American Express Community Stadium. (Image: Bryn Lennon/Getty Images)
“Since the beginning of the season with decisions, not just the sending off, before the last game we deserved a penalty after a handball.

“I hope for the future we have a balance about the decisions. About Maddison perhaps he deserved a sending off, but I will watch the replay.”

[Babylon]

Some of the stuff we've been booked for at times has been a joke, especially when in the context of what the opposition has got away with. I've pulled my hair out weekly with refs not booking opposition players for blatant shirt pulls, only to see our players booked for exactly the same no minutes later.

[Cincinnati Fox]

22 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

• Albrighton bringing Zaha down when he was 1 on 1 away at Palace
• Ndidi booked twice for two good tackles IIRC away at Brighton
• Chilwell booked twice away at Chelsea, pretty soft.
• Amartey making two fouls on Rashford in the space of about 5 minutes at home to Man United.
• Wes pair of daft fouls at home to Everton.
• Vardy clattering Doherty at home to Wolves.
• Maddison two stupid bookings away at Brighton.
• Wes away at Bournemouth first booking deserved second booking very harsh.
• Ndidi sent off for 2nd yellow dive at home to Palace.

 

9 red cards and no bad tackles in that list.

(Vardy got the ball)

 

[weller54]

40 minutes ago, demon_dog said:

I thought about this on Saturday following the sending off.

It's an appalling disciplinary record, this needs stamping on by the manager.

At the end of the day playing with only ten men has cost us points, simply not good enough.

 

Isn't stamping on a sending off offence? 

[foxy boxing]

I don't think we are necessarily a dirty team it's just we seem to get away with things less than other teams do. a lot of it is down to individual errors of judgement. we need to be a lot cleverer.