Under Claude Puel, nine players have been sent off in 33 matches

[urban.spaceman]

It’s quite obvious that we’re being punished for winning the league and ****ing with their top 6 clique. 

 

I’m not one for conspiracies but this one is definitely true.

 

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[yorkie1999]

Just now, foxy boxing said:

I don't think we are necessarily a dirty team it's just we seem to get away with things less than other teams do. a lot of it is down to individual errors of judgement. we need to be a lot cleverer.

When Maddison got "tripped" he should have got straight back up and carried on trying to get the ball back, and not appeal for a penalty, that then looks like he was tripped instead of diving and forces the ref to think whether or not it was a penalty. Against Brighton, the first thing the ref thought was "he's trying to con me".

[Father Ted]

3 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

It’s quite obvious that we’re being punished for winning the league and ****ing with their top 6 clique. 

 

I’m not one for conspiracies but this one is definitely true.

 

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Was literally about to post something similar. I can't stand Puel and it would be easy to point the finger at him but for me we have been treated extremely harshly by referees to the point that it has become a joke. Of the 13 red cards, I would honestly say perhaps only 4 or 5 are totally justifiable. 

[StriderHiryu]

49 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

• Albrighton bringing Zaha down when he was 1 on 1 away at Palace
• Ndidi booked twice for two good tackles IIRC away at Brighton
• Chilwell booked twice away at Chelsea, pretty soft.
• Amartey making two fouls on Rashford in the space of about 5 minutes at home to Man United.
• Wes pair of daft fouls at home to Everton.
• Vardy clattering Doherty at home to Wolves.
• Maddison two stupid bookings away at Brighton.
• Wes away at Bournemouth first booking deserved second booking very harsh.
• Ndidi sent off for 2nd yellow dive at home to Palace.

 

Thanks for making this list.

 

All of these come down to clumsiness and / or stupidity. Only one of these, the Vardy one, was aggressive in nature. It's certainly a strange anomaly because we are NOT a dirty team, and for the most part not a team of cheats (though Maddison 100% cheated). 

 

If you were the manager, sure you'd want to sort it out, but looking at that list how do you even do that!? Maybe the Morgan ones at Bournemouth and Everton you could say he should have been subbed but other than that you can't account for them. There isn't really a pattern to it!

Edited 26 November 2018 by StriderHiryu

[Countryfox]

51 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

We're not dirty. We're just thick. 

 

46 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Watching our players I think that's sadly quite a big part of it.

 

Well Maddison certainly is ...    been watching that cheating fooker Dele Alli too much.

 

Hope he really has learnt a lesson ...   thicko !! 

[sylofox]

44 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Watching our players I think that's sadly quite a big part of it.

 

41 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wes-morgan-leicester-city-brighton-2257505

 

Leicester City captain Wes Morgan has called for talks with referees to clarify what exactly is a booking offence after growing increasingly frustrated with the inconsistency of decisions.

Morgan, who has been sent off twice already this season for picking up two yellow cards in games, does not dispute the two yellow cards, awarded to James Maddison inside three minutes which saw the attacking midfielder awarded the fourth red card of the season.

Maddison has publicly apologised for the dive which led to his second yellow , but Morgan and his City team-mates were visibly frustrated with referee Chris Kavanagh as challenges that earned yellow cards for some players were then deemed unworthy of a yellow for others.

However, Morgan admits City need to learn from their mistakes when on a yellow card, but insists there needs to be more clarity.

The dive that got James Maddison sent off in Leicester City's draw with Brighton (Image: Gareth Fuller/PA Wire)
“From my position, I thought it was a penalty but I’ve looked at the replay and there wasn’t much contact so it’s down to the referee to make a decision,” Morgan said of Maddison’s second booking.

“We need to learn or referees need to tell us what are yellow cards as there seems to be a lot of yellow cards dished for minimal things and maybe we need to sit down with the referees and find out exactly what would be a yellow card and what’s not.

“Obviously the players in most teams in the league get a lot of yellow cards which in other seasons, wouldn’t be yellow cards.

“Referees come in at the start of every season and make their points. I don’t always agree but it’s clear this season especially that they need help and I know whether they’re introducing the VAR which I think is going to be a good thing.

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“They need to make it clear what is a yellow card and what’s not because certainly the yellow cards I’ve got this season, I certainly feel weren’t deserved and I’ve won the ball clearly on many occasions which I’ve got yellow cards for, so from my point of view, I’m not sure where we stand.”

Manager Claude Puel echoed Morgan’s belief that City have been harshly dealt with by referees this season.

“It was the first foul we can discuss,” said Puel, referring to the cynical trip by Maddison on Anthony Knockaert which earned the first booking.

“I saw an opponent pull the shirt of one of our players without taking a yellow card. It is football.

Claude Puel, Manager of Leicester City looks on during the Premier League match between Brighton & Hove Albion and Leicester City at American Express Community Stadium. (Image: Bryn Lennon/Getty Images)
“Since the beginning of the season with decisions, not just the sending off, before the last game we deserved a penalty after a handball.

“I hope for the future we have a balance about the decisions. About Maddison perhaps he deserved a sending off, but I will watch the replay.”

Well Babs the above says you're probably right. A dozen games into the season and our captains asking for help with the rules. But he's says refs have been to all clubs before the season started. 

 

Well Wes a little advice FVCKING LISTEN NEXT TIME. 

[lcfc sheff]

VAR!

[Winchesterfox]

Most of our red cards are down to poor decision-making by players who are already on yellow cards, e.g. diving and risky tackles a long way from our goal.  

[HighPeakFox]

I agree with the title of the thread. 

[MattyFromLE]

1 hour ago, Xen said:

Bit harsh to blame these all on Puel.

 

Morgan's two have been individual errors. Perhaps Puel could have taken him off sooner in the Everton game, but as our long-term captain you'd trust Morgan to be sensible when already on a yellow. Remember that Morgan has been absolutely fine keeping his discipline against pacey strikers in previous years, so not sure why you think it's bad management to play him in those situations this year. Especially when injuries for Evans/Soyuncu have essentially forced Morgan to start, anyway!

 

Vardy saw red in an instant and paid the price. We all know Vardy has that in him but usually he channels it well. That aggression is exactly what makes him so effective, when he uses it correctly. Again, nothing Puel could have done for the individual error.

 

Maddison was stupid and I'd like to think that Puel will encourage our players not to dive, but it happens right across the prem so again, chastising Puel for that is unneccessarily harsh. The second yellow was so swift after the first that he couldn't have done anything to prevent that, either.

 

 

There are many things Puel can improve upon - and I'm certain he'll be addressing the discipline issue - but he can only affect it so much. Ultimately, that part is down to the players.

 

Stop talking sense Xen, people don't like it. 

[Babylon]

17 minutes ago, sylofox said:

 

Well Babs the above says you're probably right. A dozen games into the season and our captains asking for help with the rules. But he's says refs have been to all clubs before the season started. 

 

Well Wes a little advice FVCKING LISTEN NEXT TIME. 

If the refs say one thing and then do another, then perhaps he's got a right to question them? Wasn't there a big thing about shirt pulling being punished not long ago, week in week out they fail to punish the opposition though. I'm not surprised he mentioned that in his comments, because as I said earlier I'd noticed how lenient refs were being at our place.

[sylofox]

9 minutes ago, Babylon said:

If the refs say one thing and then do another, then perhaps he's got a right to question them? Wasn't there a big thing about shirt pulling being punished not long ago, week in week out they fail to punish the opposition though. I'm not surprised he mentioned that in his comments, because as I said earlier I'd noticed how lenient refs were being at our place.

But unless you go full conspiracy theory why is it us suffering the most. 

 

Refs are not targeting us we have not adapted to the changes. Wes can't really say much having twice picked up two silly yellow card. Perhaps it's a betting thing

[Simoken]

57 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Was literally about to post something similar. I can't stand Puel and it would be easy to point the finger at him

Please give me a couple of points to why you 'cant stand a man' you have never met? I feel you are treating him very harshly more like.

[Captain...]

38 minutes ago, Winchesterfox said:

Most of our red cards are down to poor decision-making by players who are already on yellow cards, e.g. diving and risky tackles a long way from our goal.  

You still have to ask why? Whether it is a poor tackle, or a good tackle if you are diving in you give the referee a decision to make, same with trying to make the most of minimal contact. So are we diving in, or just plain diving more? 

 

The  yellow card tally says no, but when you look  at the guilty parties: Ndidi, Morgan, Vardy, Albrighton, Amartey, Maddison. Chilwell. These are some of the longer serving players at the club with very good disciplinary records up to Puel arriving. Maddison is the only  Puel signing on the list.  Chilwell's red was a year ago and he has adapted well since then.

 

So is it down to the older players struggling with Puel's formation? Vardy was a frustrated lunge, Morgan vs Everton you have to ask why your centre back is making tackles like that in that part of the pitch. Under previous managers he would not be following the fast tricky forward out to the flanks, he would stay in the middle and let Simpson deal with Richarlison when he goes wide. Ndidi, whilst harshly done by, is someone who doesn't fit the Puel mould and is very sloppy in possession leading to needing to make recovery tackles after giving the ball away. So is our disciplinary record a reaction to Puel's style and formation? Probably, but that does not make it Puel's fault.  He is trusting the players to execute a game plan. If they can't do it without getting sent off then that is down to the players.

[Babylon]

24 minutes ago, sylofox said:

But unless you go full conspiracy theory why is it us suffering the most. 

 

Refs are not targeting us we have not adapted to the changes. Wes can't really say much having twice picked up two silly yellow card. Perhaps it's a betting thing

I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or we're being targeted, but if you say x is going to be punished and then regularly let people get away with it, then it's fair to question it. It's the complete lack of consistency again from officials week in week out. Whether it's time added on, shirt pulls etc, from one week to the next you don't know what you're going to get.

 

Some of the stuff we've been booked for has been laughable, when in the same games we've had someone all over the back of one of our players and it goes unpunished. I'm not surprised players are frustrated, but they also need to look at themselves, because as you say some of the stuff they've been booked for has been down to stupid personal decisions.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Bazly said:

I read this in a news article today, I didn't realise it was quite that bad.

 

Officially the dirtiest team in the EPL with twice as many red cards. OK Morgan's two this season is due to his being too slow to catch anyone so the only way to stop players now is to hack, push, pull or find any other means to foul. That probably not dirty, more a sign of a player that has passed their sell by date. It'd be a keen fact to know how many minutes the side has played as 10 from the 13 sending off. Whichever way you look at it, its a damning stat not in our favour.

Red cards are not always due to "dirty" play. I would certianly not describe us as a dirty team let alone the "dirtiest".

 

The link you are making to Claude Puel is not really relevant is it? You may as well make the link to the chairman or Rudkin. Do you think that Puel's coaching/tactics are actually leading to the excessive number of red cards?

[Captain...]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or we're being targeted, but if you say x is going to be punished and then regularly let people get away with it, then it's fair to question it. It's the complete lack of consistency again from officials week in week out. Whether it's time added on, shirt pulls etc, from one week to the next you don't know what you're going to get.

 

Some of the stuff we've been booked for has been laughable, when in the same games we've had someone all over the back of one of our players and it goes unpunished. I'm not surprised players are frustrated, but they also need to look at themselves, because as you say some of the stuff they've been booked for has been down to stupid personal decisions.

It would be interesting to see some actual analysis on referees consistency, but it is probably impossible as no 2 incidents are identical.

 

You also have to look at the ones we haven't been booked for, every game I will think at least once we've got away with one. The one that immediately springs to mind is Morgan vs Everton he should have had a second yellow sooner, but got away with a crude tackle which would be a booking 90% of the time.

[lgfualol]

Puel telling the players to get reds and smear dirt on our great club. Obviously.

[FoxNotFox]

15 minutes ago, Captain... said:

So is it down to the older players struggling with Puel's formation? 

I've been half-thinking along those lines. Old dogs and new tricks etc. It doesn't answer all red cards though, e.g. Maddison.

 

Still, it might have something to do with the frustration that follows from players implementing (or trying to) a plan but it still going tits up for them. Imagine; 'but gaffa we played it patiently like you said, keeping possession and looking good but we're still 1 down after 15 minutes' It's possible Puel is asking more than some of his players can deliver. Morgan, for instance, is a better player when he sticks to what we (and he) knows he can do. What's Puel to do in such cases? Stick to the plan or 'dumb down'?  

 

 

[sylofox]

I think we need a. Put the blame on Puel. Thread

 

I'll start my Mrs bought cheapo baked beans at the weekend. I fecking hate Puel. 

[Izzy]

Wes - can hardly string a sentence together. Thick

Evans - Irish. Thick

Maguire & Vardy - northern monkeys. Thick.

Albrighton & Gray - Brummies. Thick

Maddison - from Cov. Thick

Nacho & Wilf - vacant stares, the lights on but no-ones home. Thick

Amartey & Mendy. Smile a lot but there's something missing. Thick

Chilwell. Nice but dim. Thick

 

Fuchs is the only one I'd trust to look after my kids tbh

 

[sylofox]

2 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Wes - can hardly string a sentence together. Thick

Evans - Irish. Thick

Maguire & Vardy - northern monkeys. Thick.

Albrighton & Gray - Brummies. Thick

Maddison - from Cov. Thick

Nacho & Wilf - vacant stares, the lights on but no-ones home. Thick

Amartey & Mendy. Smile a lot but there's something missing. Thick

Chilwell. Nice but dim. Thick

 

Fuchs is the only one I'd trust to look after my kids tbh

 

Are you sh4gging Kasper? 

 

Just a thought. 

[Izzy]

2 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Are you sh4gging Kasper? 

 

Just a thought. 

Forgot about him. All keepers are a bit thick and a sandwich short of a picnic tbf. 

[FoxNotFox]

12 minutes ago, Captain... said:

It would be interesting to see some actual analysis on referees consistency, but it is probably impossible as no 2 incidents are identical.

I suspect you're right and it would be impossible.

 

Further, I think it unrealistic to expect referees to be be consistent. They're individuals for a start, not some kind of borg nation. So inconsistencies will arise; from game to game, across games, across the season and within a single game even. It's inevitable and all you can look to do is attempt to reduce it.

 

FWIW, I doubt any ref exercises any conscious bias towards a particular team. I doubt they even see decisions in terms of 'teams' - I reckon they simply attempt to put into practice the knowledge that they have garnered throughout their years. And, of course, they'll get it wrong sometimes.I think perhaps the only thing 'shady' they might do during the course of a match is keep a mental tally of who's being a bit naughty and perhaps give them a 'last straw' booking -  oh, and maybe perhaps call one back the other way after they've realised they've gotten one wrong. 

[Stadt]

Not that I’m suggesting bringing him back but could you imagine most of these happening under Pearson? No. Absolving Puel of any blame is so naïve, two players have got second yellows for diving in just over a year which screams a lack of discipline.

 

Obviously Puel isn’t to blame for all of them as the players have been absolutely senseless but it’s gettibg worse. The Everton game was one we should have took at least a point in and a sending off ruined any chances of that. If we’re playing with 10 men at a rate of 1 in less than 4 games we’re writing points off because of avoidable situations.