Under Claude Puel, nine players have been sent off in 33 matches

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, Father Ted said:

Was literally about to post something similar. I can't stand Puel and it would be easy to point the finger at him but for me we have been treated extremely harshly by referees to the point that it has become a joke. Of the 13 red cards, I would honestly say perhaps only 4 or 5 are totally justifiable. 

Don’t forget the extra suspension for Vardy and the ludicrous red card for Drinkwater at Old Trafford in the title winning season. The FA are as bad as the illuminati. 

[KrefelderFox666]

1 hour ago, lcfc sheff said:

VAR!

To be fair, when it comes to diving, this would be really useful for the referee. 9 times out of 10 (or more) when a player goes down in the box and the ref says no foul, no card is given for a dive. There were plenty of examples this weekend where refs were conned and no cards produced. It was only Maddison who got punished (and it was correct). The annoyance is not Maddison being sent off, it's the fact that players in other games doing the same get away with it. This inconsistency needs cutting out.

 

Unfortunately, VAR would be extremely time consuming to review things like this. What happened to post match diving reviews? Nothing comes out of those anymore.

[FoxNotFox]

7 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Not that I’m suggesting bringing him back but could you imagine most of these happening under Pearson? No. I don't know.

FTFY

 

or should that be 'yes, you could IMAGINE it happening under Pearson'? Oh, I don't know....

 

But what a player does on the pitch must ultimately be there own responsibility. Whilst there might be something in suggesting that Puel creates a certain thought, belief or environment for the players, he is not responsible for how they respond to that. I'm sure nobody is suggesting that Puel says to players before matches 'get yourself sent off'

[lcfc sheff]

12 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

To be fair, when it comes to diving, this would be really useful for the referee. 9 times out of 10 (or more) when a player goes down in the box and the ref says no foul, no card is given for a dive. There were plenty of examples this weekend where refs were conned and no cards produced. It was only Maddison who got punished (and it was correct). The annoyance is not Maddison being sent off, it's the fact that players in other games doing the same get away with it. This inconsistency needs cutting out.

 

Unfortunately, VAR would be extremely time consuming to review things like this. What happened to post match diving reviews? Nothing comes out of those anymore.

for me it actually makes it more exciting! that paired with it more often than not leading to the right decision makes it worth it for me 

[Guest Col city fan]

Has anyone any comparative stats when we were under Nige, Shakes and Don Claudio?

That would be interesting. It would have to be relative of course, taking into account numbers of games etc but 9 in 33 seems big?

However, the rules have changed too. Players are getting sent off for breathing on each other these days...

[yorkie1999]

46 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Wes - can hardly string a sentence together. Thick

Evans - Irish. Thick

Maguire & Vardy - northern monkeys. Thick.

Albrighton & Gray - Brummies. Thick

Maddison - from Cov. Thick

Nacho & Wilf - vacant stares, the lights on but no-ones home. Thick

Amartey & Mendy. Smile a lot but there's something missing. Thick

Chilwell. Nice but dim. Thick

 

Fuchs is the only one I'd trust to look after my kids tbh

 

Says the bloke who spells Muzzy Izzet backwards.

[elvisfmcfly]

5 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Says the bloke who spells Muzzy Izzet backwards.

Tezzi yzzum? 

[UPinCarolina]

3 hours ago, AKCJ said:

• Albrighton bringing Zaha down when he was 1 on 1 away at Palace
• Ndidi booked twice for two good tackles IIRC away at Brighton
• Chilwell booked twice away at Chelsea, pretty soft.
• Amartey making two fouls on Rashford in the space of about 5 minutes at home to Man United.
• Wes pair of daft fouls at home to Everton.
• Vardy clattering Doherty at home to Wolves.
• Maddison two stupid bookings away at Brighton.
• Wes away at Bournemouth first booking deserved second booking very harsh.
• Ndidi sent off for 2nd yellow dive at home to Palace.

 

Poor decision making + poor calls + deserved gaffs

It's appalling to be certain, and has no doubt cost us 9 - 12 points at least.

[Dan]

I don't put it entirely on Puel because the players need to take some responsibility, but I don't absolve him of blame either as this is frankly ridiculous, we get red cards at more than twice the rate of any other team without being particularly dirty.

 

The majority of them just seem to be naive challenges that you could argue the toss I think for it being the players being idiots, or the tactics being wrong leaving them exposed - decide for yourself (although I think most people will have made their minds up already, both 'sides' of the Puel debate).

 

Maddison at the weekend however I think has grounds to be docked a weeks wages. Totally let the side down. That we got a draw is irrelevant, he stacked the odds completely against us.

[Xen]

8 minutes ago, UPinCarolina said:

Poor decision making + poor calls + deserved gaffs

It's appalling to be certain, and has no doubt cost us 9 - 12 points at least.

The 4 this season:

Morgan vs Bournemouth - game was already lost. We scored twice when down to 10 men.

Vardy vs Wolves - we won.

Morgan vs Everton - arguably cost us the game, we were in control beforehand.

Maddison vs Brighton - happened early on, we were poor at the time and actually better with 10 men.

 

So of the 4 red cards, probably 3 points lost. Maybe more when you consider missing key players for the following matches. That'd put us on at least 21 (and Everton to drop back a couple points) in 6th.

[Raw Dykes]

1 hour ago, lgfualol said:

Puel telling the players to get reds and smear dirt on our great club. Obviously.

 

19 minutes ago, FoxNotFox said:

FTFY

 

or should that be 'yes, you could IMAGINE it happening under Pearson'? Oh, I don't know....

 

But what a player does on the pitch must ultimately be there own responsibility. Whilst there might be something in suggesting that Puel creates a certain thought, belief or environment for the players, he is not responsible for how they respond to that. I'm sure nobody is suggesting that Puel says to players before matches 'get yourself sent off'

I know some people are trying to be funny when they suggest that others believe the manager is instructing the players to get themselves sent off, but it's clear that some people say it with 100% sincerity.

 

Yes, the players on the pitch are responsible for their actions and should be much better at avoiding leaving the team in the lurch. However, that's not to say that the manager has no influence on them. Let's imagine that the 3 reds before Maddison's had been punished severely. Maddison had seen his teammates face harsh words, a big fine and a spell training with the youth team. Would he still have tried a dive like that while on a yellow, with that in the back of his mind? Maybe. We don't know. I think it's fair to say it would be much less likely, though.

 

32 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Not that I’m suggesting bringing him back but could you imagine most of these happening under Pearson? No. Absolving Puel of any blame is so naïve, two players have got second yellows for diving in just over a year which screams a lack of discipline.

 

Obviously Puel isn’t to blame for all of them as the players have been absolutely senseless but it’s gettibg worse. The Everton game was one we should have took at least a point in and a sending off ruined any chances of that. If we’re playing with 10 men at a rate of 1 in less than 4 games we’re writing points off because of avoidable situations.

Thanks. I've already commented something similar in a couple of other threads.

 

I find it very surprising how many people think that the manager has absolutely no influence on the lack of discipline shown by the players. 4 reds in a third of a season, or 9 reds in 33 games is disgraceful. It's working out at roughly 1 red for every 3 games. That is nothing short of fvching pathetic.There is certainly something wrong.

 

I'm not saying Puel should cure this completely, or that there are never mistakes made by the refs, but I've no doubt that CP can do a lot more to remedy it. He may need to make the punishment for a red more severe, or maybe hire a coach who can get the players into line. I don't really think we're a dirty team, as others have said. A lot of it is down to over-the-hill ageing legs, the inexperience of younger players or plain stupidity. Still, it's CP who picks the players.

 

It can't go on like this. The PL is difficult enough with 11 players.

[AKCJ]

22 minutes ago, UPinCarolina said:

Poor decision making + poor calls + deserved gaffs

It's appalling to be certain, and has no doubt cost us 9 - 12 points at least.

• Albrighton bringing Zaha down when he was 1 on 1 away at Palace

2-0 down, finished 5-0.

• Ndidi booked twice for two good tackles IIRC away at Brighton

1-0 up, finished 2-0

• Chilwell booked twice away at Chelsea, pretty soft.

Finished 0-0

• Amartey making two fouls on Rashford in the space of about 5 minutes at home to Man United.

2-1 down, finished 2-2.

• Wes pair of daft fouls at home to Everton.

1-1, finished 1-2. 2 points dropped.

• Vardy clattering Doherty at home to Wolves.

2-0 up, finished that way.

• Maddison two stupid bookings away at Brighton.

1-0 down, finished 1-1

• Wes away at Bournemouth first booking deserved second booking very harsh.

3-0 down, finished 4-2.

• Ndidi sent off for 2nd yellow dive at home to Palace.

2-0 down, finished 3-0.

 

 

If anything we've played better with 10 men.

[Smudge]

2 hours ago, Simoken said:

Please give me a couple of points to why you 'cant stand a man' you have never met? I feel you are treating him very harshly more like.

I've never met Donald Trump! 

[marbles]

I just noticed there are still a few threads on the first page, that dont blame Puel for anything.

Can we fix that first, before starting a new one ?

 

Just asking. 

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, FoxNotFox said:

FTFY

 

or should that be 'yes, you could IMAGINE it happening under Pearson'? Oh, I don't know....

 

But what a player does on the pitch must ultimately be there own responsibility. Whilst there might be something in suggesting that Puel creates a certain thought, belief or environment for the players, he is not responsible for how they respond to that. I'm sure nobody is suggesting that Puel says to players before matches 'get yourself sent off'

I  think the point about Pearson was that he would have been stamping out that sort of behaviour early on. Maddison has the tendency to go down easily, as does Gray and Okazaki can barely stand up at times. They are by no means the worst for it in the league, it is clearly not under instruction from Puel, but I also don't see Puel as the sort of manager to pull them up after a game and tell them to cut out the play acting in games where it goes unpunished.

 

You're right it is ultimately their responsibility but that is influenced by the manager and coaches.

[Master Fox]

4 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

We're not dirty. We're just thick. 

This 

[Farrington fox]

unenviable record, instil some discipline, Claude.

[Hanan96]

It's odd that it's purely his fault while this kind of things didn't happen to all Puel's previous team. 

[Wymsey]

4 hours ago, Countryfox said:

 

It rained a lot in Brighton on Saturday and I got very wet.   Puel out !!!

[FoxNotFox]

3 minutes ago, Hanan96 said:

It's odd that it's purely his fault while this kind of things didn't happen to all Puel's previous team. 

Oh come on, it's obvious - he speaks better English now, he's able to make his wishes more clearly known.

 

I look forward to Soyuncu being sent off as it'll be a sign of his integration into the squad!

[Hanan96]

Just now, FoxNotFox said:

Oh come on, it's obvious - he speaks better English now, he's able to make his wishes more clearly known.

 

I look forward to Soyuncu being sent off as it'll be a sign of his integration into the squad!

Can't see this post response to my quoted post at all

[FoxNotFox]

3 minutes ago, Hanan96 said:

Can't see this post response to my quoted post at all

Are you ignoring me?  Don't answer that

[Hanan96]

2 minutes ago, FoxNotFox said:

Are you ignoring me?  Don't answer that

I'm too confused to relate my post to yours and to understand what's you are really saying. Is it a statement, joke, news, idk. 

[FoxNotFox]

2 minutes ago, Hanan96 said:

I'm too confused to relate my post to yours and to understand what's you are really saying. Is it a statement, joke, news, idk. 

It was a joke, nothing more.

[jayfox26]

5 hours ago, AKCJ said:

• Albrighton bringing Zaha down when he was 1 on 1 away at Palace
• Ndidi booked twice for two good tackles IIRC away at Brighton
• Chilwell booked twice away at Chelsea, pretty soft.
• Amartey making two fouls on Rashford in the space of about 5 minutes at home to Man United.
• Wes pair of daft fouls at home to Everton.
• Vardy clattering Doherty at home to Wolves.
• Maddison two stupid bookings away at Brighton.
• Wes away at Bournemouth first booking deserved second booking very harsh.
• Ndidi sent off for 2nd yellow dive at home to Palace.

 

Albrighton, Ndidi at Palace, Amartey and Maddison are the only justified red cards in my opinion. The vardy one was a strong challenge but he got the ball, some get away with it, some don't. Wes' 2nd against Everton was blatant cheating from Richarlison as he barely touched him. You could argue that wes should have been a bit more clever and not gone in for the tackle as it was clear Everton were trying to get him sent off. Wes against Bournemouth very soft. Chilwell was soft. 

 

Even still, we do have a disciplinary issue and it has cost us so many times! other than the vardy red vs wolves, we didn't win any of them other games where we've had a red card if my memory is correct.