Everyone back for corners

[dmayne7]

Ignoring all the debate about our style of play etc. One thing that I cannot abide and never understood is why you bring everyone back for a corner/set piece. It's one of the most negative and brainless tactics out there.

 

Look at Wolves: they score by leaving somebody up the pitch to exploit the space. The more players you leave up the pitch, the more the opposition has to keep back. What happens when you clear the ball? It comes straight back. With the pace we have on the break, why an earth would you be bringing everyone back. The only time I'd advocate that, is when you're winning by a goal with a minute to go.

 

Got a lot of mixed feelings about our style of play but this is one tactic that is completely indefensible (in more ways than one!)

 

 

[Woodsey1727]

We won the league by having 3 players left up when we were defending corners 

[st albans fox]

34 minutes ago, Woodsey1727 said:

We won the league by having 3 players left up when we were defending corners 

It’s the zonal system we play ..... requires more personnel ....

 

[The Doctor]

Ok it didn't work today, but how many have we conceded from corners this season compared to recent years? As a system it's working overall

[chapero82]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

Ok it didn't work today, but how many have we conceded from corners this season compared to recent years? As a system it's working overall

It’s stops us from being able to counter attack too, the amount of times we have tried to come out if our own box but nobody is up front

[funkyrobot]

Should always leave at least one up. Basic stuff IMO. Every team does it against us. With all men back we clear the ball but it just comes straight back. Those heady days of 15/16 when we had three left up top seem a lifetime ago... 

[The Doctor]

3 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

It’s stops us from being able to counter attack too, the amount of times we have tried to come out if our own box but nobody is up front

Goals from counters this season - 6 https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/goal_fastbreak

 

Goals from counters in the title winning season - 6 https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/goal_fastbreak?se=42

 

Doesn't seem like that's the case. The issue is far more that we're missing other dimensions. How many did Huth and Wes knock in from set pieces that season? I think we've got one goal from a corner all season, and one from a crossed free kick now as well

[stretch1965]

We have been saying this for months, Vardy is arguably one of the quickest in the prem so why doesn’t he stand on the half way line for corners?

he will take out at least two of their players who I would back to outpace on cleared corner.

I can only think that Claude Packs the box  to minimise clear shots on goal.

[Devonfox1884]

Makes zero sense. It just asks for pressure... Just leave 1 up, give us something to aim for instead of aimlessly hoofing it clear ffs.

[tsintskaro]

They never score from corner and it makes this fact even more tragic

[Guest]

We were shit at defending corners and set pieces in general for ages so presumably we've decided to just get as many bodies back in the box as possible. I imagine there could well be a more tactical explanation than that but by and large it seems to be working. I can't say I really have a problem with it.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Leave 1 up the opposition need to leave at least 2 up, leave 2 up then they’ll leave 4 back, makes sense.

[Woodsey1727]

31 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It’s the zonal system we play ..... requires more personnel ....

 

Go back to man marking 

[FOXSE]

1 hour ago, dmayne7 said:

Ignoring all the debate about our style of play etc. One thing that I cannot abide and never understood is why you bring everyone back for a corner/set piece. It's one of the most negative and brainless tactics out there.

 

Look at Wolves: they score by leaving somebody up the pitch to exploit the space. The more players you leave up the pitch, the more the opposition has to keep back. What happens when you clear the ball? It comes straight back. With the pace we have on the break, why an earth would you be bringing everyone back. The only time I'd advocate that, is when you're winning by a goal with a minute to go.

 

Got a lot of mixed feelings about our style of play but this is one tactic that is completely indefensible (in more ways than one!)

 

 

I was at the game, and people were saying 'why have we got everyone back in the box' and then they score with their header! But actually, I do agree!

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, Woodsey1727 said:

We won the league by having 3 players left up when we were defending corners 

We also had Huth and Morgan battering players in the box so we never conceded. Now everyone is scared to make a foul and Kasper flapping every cross doesnt help

 

[Guest ttfn]

A few points here:

1) Wolves are able to leave a man up because they have 3 big centre backs. We don’t have a big team and can’t take the risk of clearing the box. Back in 15/16 it worked to our advantage to have the box as empty as possible when defending corners because Huth and Morgan won everything.

2) It doesn’t stop us counter attacking. Today we conceded the first goal from a great counter attacking chance from a corner. Had Gray passed rather than pissing about with it we were away.

3) We’re (largely successfully) using a zonal system to defend. The bigger the zone a player has to cover the harder it is to defend it. 

 

 

 

[Dan]

We've done it under Puel from the off, without being any better at defending them and now having absolutely zero threat on the break from them. It's the most brainless widely used tactic I can think of.

[Hollyfox]

Also a succession of managers still have us doing the same routine from kick off.

Knock it back and launch it towards the left wing near their penalty area for Chilwell or someone to not win a header and give them a throw in.

 

 

[Guest ttfn]

5 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

We've done it under Puel from the off, without being any better at defending them and now having absolutely zero threat on the break from them. It's the most brainless widely used tactic I can think of.

We are good at defending corners.

 

Today was the exception rather than the rule.

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Woodsey1727 said:

Go back to man marking 

We concede much less zonal marking. One thing Puel has done well is address our defending set pieces.

 

I don't like bringing all players back though. Vardy/Gray should stay up top.

[5waller5]

It drives me nuts too.

 

NP used to do it too and Craig Shakespeare explained why in an interview (might have been BootRoom on R Leicester) ..... they'd had the stats guys on it and statistically it leads to less goals being conceded from corners, what i can't remember is whether it took into account the attacking threat and was a net figure!

[Vacamion]

 

You either accept that the payoff for *generally* tighter defence at corners is less counterattacking menace, or you accept conceding more from corners and put players on the halfway line.

 

I remember how thrilling it was that time when we had three men on their marks on the halfway line, but you have to admit, we conceded more in those days.

 

 

[Babylon]

We started bringing everyone back to combat the fact we were conceding from endless set pieces. Yes we conceded today, but in the main it's been very effective. We've conceded 5 set pieces this season, last season we conceded 16 and the year before 15. That's a very clear and undeniable improvement. 

[That_Dude]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

We've done it under Puel from the off, without being any better at defending them and now having absolutely zero threat on the break from them. It's the most brainless widely used tactic I can think of.

Really? bar today it's been a while since we conceded a goal on  a set piece.