Demarai Gray

[H.a.r.r.y]

He can't get past league 1 defenders, shouldn't be in our team

[LC/FC]

https://www.lcfc.com/news/1295896/rodgers-praises-citys-tactical-intelligence

 

If this is anything to go by then Demarai is fuchsed. 

Brendan wants us to play in a system that has no egos and is full of hardworking and willing runners. None of which applies to Gray. 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-citys-lack-arm-throwers-3142765

 

Oh and he doesn't like players who throw their arms up and don't immediately get back into the game. 

 

Grays time at Leicester is going to be over. 

[Dan LCFC]

He's an individual. Always has been, and probably always will be. He's also not got the quality to back that up.

 

Sell. Absolutely not good enough.

[trabuch]

I was hoping Brendan could sort him out. He's an attitude change away from being pretty decent, but maybe he can't change that.  

[LC/FC]

27 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

He's an individual. Always has been, and probably always will be. He's also not got the quality to back that up.

 

Sell. Absolutely not good enough.

There is something about him that gives off the vibe that he thinks the team should be built around him. But as you said, he hasn't got the quality for that. Not many players do, unless your name is Messi or Ronaldo, and even then they are team players that also create for others. 

 

18 minutes ago, trabuch said:

I was hoping Brendan could sort him out. He's an attitude change away from being pretty decent, but maybe he can't change that.  

Some players get given too much too soon before they've earned it and unfortunately Demarai is one of them. He's definitely someone that needs the hard graft of struggling in the lower leagues to hone his craft and fight to the top, but unfortunately he lucked out due to Raneiri's bad judgement and has ended up with a Premier League medal, a decent contract that means he doesn't have to worry about the money struggles of life and a stick up his ass. 

 

Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to be hypercritical. I would love for him to come good and be the best they can. I want that of every player that puts on the shirt. I do agree that if there was to be a change in attitude and application he could become a cracking player. The basic tools are there but the maturity isn't yet. He is still young and yet to fully bloom but there definitely needs to be a change in circumstances for anything of that sort to happen. Maybe a loan somewhere else or just accepting that despite having him, he just wasn't meant to be with us. Kramaric comes to mind in that respect. Talented but didn't fit. 

Edited 27 July 2019 by LC/FC
Added thoughts

[trabuch]

20 minutes ago, LC/FC said:

There is something about him that gives off the vibe that he thinks the team should be built around him. But as you said, he hasn't got the quality for that. Not many players do, unless your name is Messi or Ronaldo, and even then they are team players that also create for others. 

 

Some players get given too much too soon before they've earned it and unfortunately Demarai is one of them. He's definitely someone that needs the hard graft of struggling in the lower leagues to hone his craft and fight to the top, but unfortunately he lucked out due to Raneiri's bad judgement and has ended up with a Premier League medal, a decent contract that means he doesn't have to worry about the money struggles of life and a stick up his ass. 

 

 

In the long run that is debatable - career wise at least - if not financially. It may be that he is a simple soul who is happy with his lot.. (which is quite a lot). But he'll be nothing in football if he's not careful. 

 

Balotelli, Sturridge and Welbeck are all available on free transfers at under 30yrs old - and that should scare him. 

Edited 27 July 2019 by trabuch

[NasPb]

Sell him

[Maybes]

Came after being tagged as a promising winger. Has never really hit the ground running with us or found any type of prolonged form. I don’t think he’s majorly improved since being with us.

 

If someone comes in like Bournemouth did last year, I would offload him.

[Stevosevic]

Shit

[Ian Nacho]

I don't think attitude is his main problem, it's mainly decision making. Whenever he does something good 9 times out of 10, he'll just make the wrong decision after. For example he'll beat a player then shoot when he should pass or pass when he should shoot. Very frustrating player. He strikes me as the type of player who looks like the best player at the club in training but awful on a match day. 

[UniFox21]

Just now, Ian Nacho said:

I don't think attitude is his main problem, it's mainly decision making. Whenever he does something good 9 times out of 10, he'll just make the wrong decision after. For example he'll beat a player then shoot when he should pass or pass when he should shoot. Very frustrating player. He strikes me as the type of player who looks like the best player at the club in training but awful on a match day. 

Exactly this. 

 

People jumping on attitude straight away, yet we have nothing to say he has a bad attitude. 

 

He's a young pro, still making bad decisions after good bits of play. Hopefully we see the Gray the u21s see rather than the bit part at Leicester. 

[Stadt]

0.8 key passes per 90 last season as a winger. Choudhury also got 0.8.

 

Ghezzal 1.9

Albrighton 1.6

Barnes 1.5

 

Chilwell 1.2

Pereira 1.0

 

He's got 6 assists in 111 Premier League games, you can't defend that record, he's not some inexperienced kid anymore he's just not very good. The PL website says he's created 9 "big chances" in his PL career, Pereira made 10 last season alone. His terrible chance creation would be fine if he scored goals which he doesn't do either having scored 8 in the league across in 3 and a half seasons he's been here.

Edited 27 July 2019 by Stadt

[LC/FC]

24 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Exactly this. 

 

People jumping on attitude straight away, yet we have nothing to say he has a bad attitude. 

 

He's a young pro, still making bad decisions after good bits of play. Hopefully we see the Gray the u21s see rather than the bit part at Leicester. 

The attitude problem we're saying he has is based on the reports of people who were at the Rotherham game and his previous behaviour. He's a player who if something goes wrong throws his arms up in the air which means seconds are wasted. 

The arm throwing when things don't go his way is the attitude problem. As I've highlighted with the articles above, Brendan doesn't want that type of attitude that he exudes, the petulance of going 'tsk' instead of the immediacy to regain possession or press the opposition back if he's lost it. 

And if it's his decision making then that says in the years he's been here, he's barely improved in making the right decision in when to shoot or assist. Which shows somewhere he's not comprehending the tactics and playstyle asked of him. So he's either lacking a football brain or he not bothered and will go the way of Ballotelli, Sturridge and Welbeck, as mentioned above. 

[Sampson]

Eh. He's surely 4th choice in the pecking order behind Perez, Albrighton and Barnes next season anyway so I don't expect to see too much of him.

[ARM1968]

1 hour ago, trabuch said:

I was hoping Brendan could sort him out. He's an attitude change away from being pretty decent, but maybe he can't change that.  

We’ve all know those kids at school and the dicks in the pub and at work with the entitled, bitter, self satisfied expressions that never slip. Gray is one. He seems unable to grasp that talent alone is not enough. I detest Ronaldo, but by god that man puts the effort in, works at every aspect of the game and his physical condition. Gray just hasn’t got and will never have that level of awareness. 

[tsintskaro]

He is not starter for higher than average premier league team

sadly

 

Edited 27 July 2019 by tsintskaro

[Lesterlad]

I am hopeful that we will see a change in his end product this season. He can be quality at times. We will see

more of it next season I believe 

[turtmcfly]

15 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

We’ve all know those kids at school and the dicks in the pub and at work with the entitled, bitter, self satisfied expressions that never slip. Gray is one. He seems unable to grasp that talent alone is not enough. I detest Ronaldo, but by god that man puts the effort in, works at every aspect of the game and his physical condition. Gray just hasn’t got and will never have that level of awareness. 

 

You not to shabby yourself when it comes to being bitter and self satisfied. 

 

The level of vile cod psychology in this thread... 

[trabuch]

20 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

We’ve all know those kids at school and the dicks in the pub and at work with the entitled, bitter, self satisfied expressions that never slip. Gray is one. He seems unable to grasp that talent alone is not enough. I detest Ronaldo, but by god that man puts the effort in, works at every aspect of the game and his physical condition. Gray just hasn’t got and will never have that level of awareness. 

I'm not sure why you brought Spurs fans into this but..  it's sad, but if you, me and Brendan Rodgers can't sort him out then let's give up on him.

[trabuch]

I detest Renaldo too. I really do. Unfathomably. Oh actually - my family lives in the Barcelona catchment area (and he's a see you etc.). 

I'd like Rodgers to sit down with him and explain the importance of the pass. I think it's quite old fashioned to think of strikers as the most valuable players these days. I'm not so sure goals = price any more. Even goalkeepers are breaking records. Gray should learn this.

Edited 28 July 2019 by trabuch

[Stadt]

48 minutes ago, Lesterlad said:

I am hopeful that we will see a change in his end product this season. He can be quality at times. We will see

more of it next season I believe 

You probably said that at the start of last season and the one before that too

[brucey]

I think his attitude and work rate has improved. But his decision making and shooting haven’t. His shots are all either passes to the keeper, or close to but on the wrong side of the woodwork. I don’t quite understand it.

 

I still hold some hope for Nacho, and possibly Ghezzal. I hadn’t even fully given up on Musa by the time he left. Those three are ‘confidence players’ who can play well if/when they have confidence. Gray on the other hand is a player full of confidence who can’t play well. I gave up hoping he’d develop about two seasons ago.

 

Anyway, I wondered if selling him might upset a few of his buddies, but from the sounds of some ITKs on here, even his teammates are getting a bit tired of his football. Seems to hang out less with Chilly and Madders as well now due to his new baby, and they’ve got a new bff in Youri. Just need to find a buyer now... although I don’t think we’ll find one and he’ll probably end up seeing out the rest of his contract here on the bench.

[Stadt]

lmao

[Guest]

A lot of the talk is about how he's got all the ability but not the mentality to fulfill it, but I'm not convinced he's got the ability at all. His close control and running at speed are good but his first touch is poor, finishing is erratic, crossing is poor, can't spot or pick a penetrating pass. His one standout quality is his ability to take on and beat a player but he regularly decides instead to check back and play a simple pass or cut in and belt it from distance. I've no complaints about his supposed bad attitude or work rate on the pitch, he's just not that good and there's no evidence that he's getting any better or that he will do in the future. Maybe Rodgers will improve him, maybe he's one of those players who needs a change of environment and will go up a level at a different club, but I seriously doubt it.

[Dan LCFC]

2 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Exactly this. 

 

People jumping on attitude straight away, yet we have nothing to say he has a bad attitude. 

 

He's a young pro, still making bad decisions after good bits of play. Hopefully we see the Gray the u21s see rather than the bit part at Leicester. 

I don't really think his U21 performances are that much different really. Average standard of opposition is lower as well.

Edited 28 July 2019 by Dan LCFC