Popular Post Aus Fox Posted 24 September 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted 24 September 2019 8 minutes ago, Goober said: I’ve got a great idea for it, why don’t we get the teams that win the cups in each country to all compete in the third competition. We could have the Champions League for the league winners, the Europa League for other league placings and the other competition just for domestic cup winners. I would name it something like the European Cup Winners Cup. Crazy idea, don’t know how I came up with it, but I think it might work well! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 24 September 2019 Author Share Posted 24 September 2019 5 minutes ago, KFS said: So this is to stop Burnley, West Ham, Wolves in recent years gate crashing the EL. The winner of the EFL/ 7th place if a Europe qualified team wins the EFL will go into the Conference. It works until Manchester United finish 7th and then they come up with a ruling as to why they need to be in the EL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKoala Posted 24 September 2019 Share Posted 24 September 2019 I'm curious what is the benefit of winning UECL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 More European football means bigger squads which means yet more money spent on transfers and it goes on and on. Or, more emphasis spent on academies as a source of extra players. I hope this gives our directors more focus on making long overdue changes to our academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 Kind of cheapness European football a bit, I mean clubs similar to our ilk Everton at a push Southampton didnt even take the Europa league seriously so why add yet another competition? A European trophy shouldn't be used as a gateway to get to the higher tournament completely devalues the merit of the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 I hope it's for sides from Andorra, Kosovo, Estonia etc and teams that lose in the early rounds of Europa League qualifiers rather than 8th place in England, Spain and Italy. It's not particularly fair for the champions of those nations to have no European football whilst Wolves are cutting about having achieved basically nothing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 22 minutes ago, Stadt said: I hope it's for sides from Andorra, Kosovo, Estonia etc and teams that lose in the early rounds of Europa League qualifiers rather than 8th place in England, Spain and Italy. It's not particularly fair for the champions of those nations to have no European football whilst Wolves are cutting about having achieved basically nothing I imagine this is exactly the idea, spread more money around the less established leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Nacho Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 So basically anyone who wins the Championship is pretty much guaranteed to get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: More European football means bigger squads which means yet more money spent on transfers and it goes on and on. Or, more emphasis spent on academies as a source of extra players. I hope this gives our directors more focus on making long overdue changes to our academy. Maybe Or more European football means the death knell of smaller clubs and division 2 in England. UEFA are far worse than the EU for wanting to replace national with European. why don't UEFA just reform European leagues so that they manage 35 European leagues from Premier to Coventry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 This is bad for football. But what can you do, it was always going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49828745 Lmao. Try actually winning the league first pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 18 minutes ago, Finnegan said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49828745 Lmao. Try actually winning the league first pal. I think they'll do it this season, unfortunately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420Hashish Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 (edited) On 24/09/2019 at 06:46, Nicolo Barella said: This is very true in fairness. However the sheer density of Manure support in places like India and China plus the power of their brand (ask some football noob from the US to name a football team and if they can only name one it'll be Man Utd) means they'll be valuable for a very very long time. Double post... Edited 25 September 2019 by DrezZone Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420Hashish Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 (edited) On 24/09/2019 at 06:46, Nicolo Barella said: This is very true in fairness. However the sheer density of Manure support in places like India and China plus the power of their brand (ask some football noob from the US to name a football team and if they can only name one it'll be Man Utd) means they'll be valuable for a very very long time. Thank God I'm not a football noob then. I can almost name the entire EFL along with most clubs in the top 2 tiers of the top 5 leagues in Europe. I actually feel accomplished compared to the dumbasses and plastics we have here. Edited 25 September 2019 by DrezZone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 (edited) That new European cup competition sounds awful. There is a reason why we did away with the Cup Winners Cup. Hell even now the Europa League is crap until the knockout rounds begin. I think it's a real trap as teams that get into that competition will have too many games to overtake teams above them in the league. In fact as a word of caution, what is happening to Wolves will almost certainly happen to us next season too as I am convinced we will get a European place of some kind and those extra games cause havoc for a small squad as we found out in 16/17. Rodgers is smart enough to know we'd need a bigger squad when that happens, but it will still result in dropping a couple of league positions I reckon. Edited 25 September 2019 by StriderHiryu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 1 minute ago, StriderHiryu said: That new European cup competition sounds awful. There is a reason why we did away with the Cup Winners Cup. Hell even now the Europa League is crap until the knockout rounds begin. I think it's a real trap as teams that get into that competition will have too many games to overtake teams above them in the league. In fact as a word of caution, what is happening to Wolves will almost certainly happen to us next season too as I am convinced we will get a European place of some kind and those extra games cause havoc for a small squad as we found out in 16/17. I don't think the extra Champions League games had anything to do with our failings in the league that season tbh. We looked shit before the European campaign even started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 13 minutes ago, Stadt said: I think they'll do it this season, unfortunately Still Man City for me. Liverpool bubble far more likely to burst than Cities imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 34 minutes ago, Finnegan said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49828745 Lmao. Try actually winning the league first pal. Yep nothing bad could possibly happen after saying things like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: That new European cup competition sounds awful. There is a reason why we did away with the Cup Winners Cup. Hell even now the Europa League is crap until the knockout rounds begin. I think it's a real trap as teams that get into that competition will have too many games to overtake teams above them in the league. In fact as a word of caution, what is happening to Wolves will almost certainly happen to us next season too as I am convinced we will get a European place of some kind and those extra games cause havoc for a small squad as we found out in 16/17. Rodgers is smart enough to know we'd need a bigger squad when that happens, but it will still result in dropping a couple of league positions I reckon. Wolves are reaping the benefits of their idiotic manager saying that he likes a small squad even in the face of Europe. The quality seriously drops after their first 11 as well. Meanwhile, we're starting to build some serious quality in our "second 11" - Praet, Hamza, Benkovic are all fairly concrete members of our squad that have high quality, with a few other decent members e.g. Albrighton, Ward. In a european football scenario: Assuming the sales of Iheanacho, Diabaté, Kapustka, Slimani, Silva, and others, we could be looking at a squad of New Winger Vardy Perez Maddison Ndidi Tielemans Chilwell SoyuncuEvans Ricardo Schmeichel Gray New Striker Albrighton Barnes Hamza Praet New LB New CB Benkovic J.J Ward I would personally sell Gray off as well and get a new prospect on the wing, but that's a solid second 11 to rely on particularly if we get in a real quality striker like Håland. I think we won't suffer too much provided we aren't incredibly unlucky with impact injuries. Edited 25 September 2019 by Nicolo Barella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 I'd treat that new European competition like winning a fcukin fruit bag off McDonalds Monopoly game. BIN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: It treat that new European competition like winning a fcukin fruit bag off McDonalds Monopoly game. BIN The Carabao Cup of Europe, but worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 36 minutes ago, Goober said: I don't think the extra Champions League games had anything to do with our failings in the league that season tbh. We looked shit before the European campaign even started. It wasn't the only reason but it didn't help! Results suffered in games before or after a Champions League match. Even when Shakespeare steadied the ship after his 5 wins, we drew games before and after the European game. It's happened to us, Burnley Everton and Wolves. You could argue it caused problem for Spurs last season too. It is extremely difficult to maintain two competitive teams when playing in Europe and the Premier League. 24 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said: Wolves are reaping the benefits of their idiotic manager saying that he likes a small squad even in the face of Europe. The quality seriously drops after their first 11 as well. Meanwhile, we're starting to build some serious quality in our "second 11" - Praet, Hamza, Benkovic are all fairly concrete members of our squad that have high quality, with a few other decent members e.g. Albrighton, Ward. In a european football scenario: Assuming the sales of Iheanacho, Diabaté, Kapustka, Slimani, Silva, and others, we could be looking at a squad of New Winger Vardy Perez Maddison Ndidi Tielemans Chilwell SoyuncuEvans Ricardo Schmeichel Gray New Striker Albrighton Barnes Hamza Praet New LB New CB Benkovic J.J Ward I would personally sell Gray off as well and get a new prospect on the wing, but that's a solid second 11 to rely on particularly if we get in a real quality striker like Håland. I think we won't suffer too much provided we aren't incredibly unlucky with impact injuries. I do think that the club are building toward having a squad that can sustain itself across multiple competitions. That's why I don't think we will have as traumatic a time as other teams before us. But put it this way, say if we finish 6th this season, then I think we will finish 7/th the 8th next. That's not too bad at all for a team that isn't in Europe every season, but if you fall out of the European places it can affect who you can bring in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: It wasn't the only reason but it didn't help! Results suffered in games before or after a Champions League match. Even when Shakespeare steadied the ship after his 5 wins, we drew games before and after the European game. It's happened to us, Burnley Everton and Wolves. You could argue it caused problem for Spurs last season too. It is extremely difficult to maintain two competitive teams when playing in Europe and the Premier League. I do think that the club are building toward having a squad that can sustain itself across multiple competitions. That's why I don't think we will have as traumatic a time as other teams before us. But put it this way, say if we finish 6th this season, then I think we will finish 7/th the 8th next. That's not too bad at all for a team that isn't in Europe every season, but if you fall out of the European places it can affect who you can bring in. Easy fix, we just finish 3rd so next season we'll finish 4th or 5th 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 51 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: That new European cup competition sounds awful. There is a reason why we did away with the Cup Winners Cup. Hell even now the Europa League is crap until the knockout rounds begin. I think it's a real trap as teams that get into that competition will have too many games to overtake teams above them in the league. In fact as a word of caution, what is happening to Wolves will almost certainly happen to us next season too as I am convinced we will get a European place of some kind and those extra games cause havoc for a small squad as we found out in 16/17. Rodgers is smart enough to know we'd need a bigger squad when that happens, but it will still result in dropping a couple of league positions I reckon. I think its worse than that. These type of European competitions just re-inforce domination by a few teams in each country at the expense of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_Dude Posted 25 September 2019 Share Posted 25 September 2019 2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: It wasn't the only reason but it didn't help! Results suffered in games before or after a Champions League match. Even when Shakespeare steadied the ship after his 5 wins, we drew games before and after the European game. It's happened to us, Burnley Everton and Wolves. You could argue it caused problem for Spurs last season too. It is extremely difficult to maintain two competitive teams when playing in Europe and the Premier League. I do think that the club are building toward having a squad that can sustain itself across multiple competitions. That's why I don't think we will have as traumatic a time as other teams before us. But put it this way, say if we finish 6th this season, then I think we will finish 7/th the 8th next. That's not too bad at all for a team that isn't in Europe every season, but if you fall out of the European places it can affect who you can bring in. They should make the EL a bit more attractive with less teams involved and a bit more financial reward. The whole competition is a bleeding marathon and only teams with a strong bench (the big ones) can handle it or just give up on the league position (the smaller ones). As crazy as it may sound, I'd personally have 0 interest in playing it next season, as it may well kill our momentum unless we massively strengthen our bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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