volpeazzurro Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, An Sionnach said: Short is not small, Phil is built like a 15 y o schoolboy. Iniesta is lightly built but he is a genius , Phil is very good but no genius. Messi and Maradona are very strong , Ayoze is not so others need to provide the muscle. Your can't do anything about talent like some of the names you mention, but you can do something about your own strength and Perez is certainly not small anyway compared to the names you mention. Some of those are very special talents. Some people on here are knocking Coutinho but his record suggests that he's a very good player and streets ahead of a poor player like Perez. I could see an argument for giving a player like Messi a minder but Perez wouldn't be worth the effort 🤣🤣🤣 I think the idea is a myth in anything case, how would they physically do that, instruct two players to stand either side of him at all times like nightclub doormen? I can just visualise Klopp doing his final team talk now, 'right chaps get out there and press them, release Mo with a through ball if possible, but, whatever you do, stick close to Phil! I don't want him getting pushed over again, he got his leg bruised last week and it's me that has to face his mum!' Edited 4 March 2020 by volpeazzurro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lako42 Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 He's got more movement off the ball than the rest of this team combined. He needs to play centrally, he'd be a perfect foil for my sweet African prince. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 3 hours ago, Lako42 said: He's got more movement off the ball than the rest of this team combined. He needs to play centrally, he'd be a perfect foil for my sweet African prince. Yep. If Vards isn't playing, let him tuck in behind Nacho. If he turns out shite in that position, then we probably have been mugged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillippaT Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 22 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Yep. If Vards isn't playing, let him tuck in behind Nacho. If he turns out shite in that position, then we probably have been mugged. Not by him, though, surely? 😋 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 I actually think he's a really tricky technical player. But he's not fast at all and can only influence in certain areas. He's the least likely winger since we used to play Scowcroft out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest An Sionnach Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 I think we should stick with him, its not his fault that Rodgers uses him badly . He has a good brain and good feet , play him just behind a strong striker and he will score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 5 March 2020 Share Posted 5 March 2020 On 02/03/2020 at 12:59, murphy said: It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog. Is he any smaller than Vardy? He needs to find some aggression. Listening to Matt piper he was saying how barnes us working on his upper body strength so he can deal with defenders... how this is showing up in his performances.... w Why is perez doing similar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Fox Posted 5 March 2020 Share Posted 5 March 2020 1 hour ago, foxinsocks said: Listening to Matt piper he was saying how barnes us working on his upper body strength so he can deal with defenders... how this is showing up in his performances.... w Why is perez doing similar ? Barnes’ improvement isn’t going to be instant is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 Why is An Sionnach getting pelters for his post about Perez? He’s quite correct. Perez is a skilful little player but physically very lightweight. Very similar in this respect to Coutinho. When we insist on playing Tielemans, Maddison and Perez in the same side we have a very physically weedy midfield. This is why Ndidi has been so sorely missed. He’s the only one with a physical presence. It’s no coincidence that the opposition have studied this and have learnt to swamp the midfield when playing against us. I’ve said for a long time (especially about Tielemans) that these players look smashing when they have time on the ball to be creative, but look a shadow of this when put under lots of pressure. Physically our midfield is too lightweight. But we know that Rodgers loves this type of player... hence his interest in Lallana. We DO need to protect our tricky little creative players with more muscle... Personally I don’t think we need a Lallana type player, we need someone bigger and stronger. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest An Sionnach Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 Rondon has the strength of a bull and this definitely gave Perez more room . If we sign a couple of powerful forwards Perez will come into his own . He finds space and reads the game well he has a good football brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 49 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Why is An Sionnach getting pelters for his post about Perez? He’s quite correct. Perez is a skilful little player but physically very lightweight. Very similar in this respect to Coutinho. When we insist on playing Tielemans, Maddison and Perez in the same side we have a very physically weedy midfield. This is why Ndidi has been so sorely missed. He’s the only one with a physical presence. It’s no coincidence that the opposition have studied this and have learnt to swamp the midfield when playing against us. I’ve said for a long time (especially about Tielemans) that these players look smashing when they have time on the ball to be creative, but look a shadow of this when put under lots of pressure. Physically our midfield is too lightweight. But we know that Rodgers loves this type of player... hence his interest in Lallana. We DO need to protect our tricky little creative players with more muscle... Personally I don’t think we need a Lallana type player, we need someone bigger and stronger. Bring back Ally Mauchlen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 51 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Why is An Sionnach getting pelters for his post about Perez? He’s quite correct. Perez is a skilful little player but physically very lightweight. Very similar in this respect to Coutinho. When we insist on playing Tielemans, Maddison and Perez in the same side we have a very physically weedy midfield. This is why Ndidi has been so sorely missed. He’s the only one with a physical presence. It’s no coincidence that the opposition have studied this and have learnt to swamp the midfield when playing against us. I’ve said for a long time (especially about Tielemans) that these players look smashing when they have time on the ball to be creative, but look a shadow of this when put under lots of pressure. Physically our midfield is too lightweight. But we know that Rodgers loves this type of player... hence his interest in Lallana. We DO need to protect our tricky little creative players with more muscle... Personally I don’t think we need a Lallana type player, we need someone bigger and stronger. Cattermole? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebum Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 He's crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest An Sionnach Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 Look at Liverpool they are missing Henderson's muscle not his football genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 7 minutes ago, somebum said: He's crap... ...because he’s... Your turn again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: We DO need to protect our tricky little creative players with more muscle... Personally I don’t think we need a Lallana type player, we need someone bigger and stronger. 10 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Cattermole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UHDrive Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: ...because he’s... Your turn again He's clearly got masses of talent, no doubt about it. He just lacks strength and speed and falls over too quickly. I watch the refs reaction every game and it's like they've been briefed on him before kickoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Fox Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 36 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Rondon has the strength of a bull and this definitely gave Perez more room . If we sign a couple of powerful forwards Perez will come into his own . He finds space and reads the game well he has a good football brain. We can’t sign a couple of strong forwards on the premise that it’ll bring the best out of Ayoze Pérez. Well, not unless we want to follow Newcastle’s model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 7 minutes ago, UHDrive said: He's clearly got masses of talent, no doubt about it. He just lacks strength and speed and falls over too quickly. I watch the refs reaction every game and it's like they've been briefed on him before kickoff. Yes and no I think. He is clear technically skilled, can link play when others are moving at pace, such as Ricardo. It makes me think that what are seeing with this team is evidence that it’s a project. The early season success largely down to exuberance, high levels of fitness and being on a roll. I know I will be shouted down as zealot/idiot/fanboy/<insert slur>, but not really fussed about that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: Why is An Sionnach getting pelters for his post about Perez? He’s quite correct. Perez is a skilful little player but physically very lightweight. Very similar in this respect to Coutinho. When we insist on playing Tielemans, Maddison and Perez in the same side we have a very physically weedy midfield. This is why Ndidi has been so sorely missed. He’s the only one with a physical presence. It’s no coincidence that the opposition have studied this and have learnt to swamp the midfield when playing against us. I’ve said for a long time (especially about Tielemans) that these players look smashing when they have time on the ball to be creative, but look a shadow of this when put under lots of pressure. Physically our midfield is too lightweight. But we know that Rodgers loves this type of player... hence his interest in Lallana. We DO need to protect our tricky little creative players with more muscle... Personally I don’t think we need a Lallana type player, we need someone bigger and stronger. For me it's just he's nothing at all like Coutinho. I got the point to an extent but the comparison is wrong. They're just not alike to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UHDrive Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Yes and no I think. He is clear technically skilled, can link play when others are moving at pace, such as Ricardo. It makes me think that what are seeing with this team is evidence that it’s a project. The early season success largely down to exuberance, high levels of fitness and being on a roll. I know I will be shouted down as zealot/idiot/fanboy/<insert slur>, but not really fussed about that. Not at all, I agree actually. I would say though that his link up play is too good for someone playing so wide on the pitch. To use his skillset best he needs to play more centrally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest An Sionnach Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 Kelechi is our biggest forward at 5-11 and if anything he looks lighter now than when he first came. However he and Perez do seem to work well together particularly in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 Comparing this dosser to coutinho , bin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest An Sionnach Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 18 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Comparing this dosser to coutinho , bin Coutinho: 41 goals in 152 appearances for Liverpool , Perez 42 goals in 179 appearance for Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 6 March 2020 Share Posted 6 March 2020 49 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Coutinho: 41 goals in 152 appearances for Liverpool , Perez 42 goals in 179 appearance for Newcastle. Coutinho is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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