Coronavirus Thread

[Fox in the North]

2 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Mask requirement dropping. 

Personally will still wear one when in crowded areas or public transport

Personally I think it ought to be common decency especially if you’re ill with any virus.

Edited 5 July 2021 by Fox in the North

[Ric Flair]

I think rather than wear masks, everyone should be given a free motorbike if they are willing to wear a motorbike helmet whenever they go out in public. 

 

It would lead to some fantastic new niche sports such as chicken nugget helmet eating. You put on the helmet, open the visor, fill up to the brim with nuggets and then shut and lock the flap. The quickest person to eat all the nuggets wins. 

 

As with masks, there'll be no evidence to suggest that this will keep you alive or not but you'll have a right good time doing it.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I think rather than wear masks, everyone should be given a free motorbike if they are willing to wear a motorbike helmet whenever they go out in public. 

 

It would lead to some fantastic new niche sports such as chicken nugget helmet eating. You put on the helmet, open the visor, fill up to the brim with nuggets and then shut and lock the flap. The quickest person to eat all the nuggets wins. 

 

As with masks, there'll be no evidence to suggest that this will keep you alive or not but you'll have a right good time doing it.

You're a good bloke Ric, but I have to call this one out.

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

 

"The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts."

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

You're a good bloke Ric, but I have to call this one out.

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

 

"The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts."

Sorry, this wasn't a thinly veiled dig at mask wearing. It's simple common sense that wearing summet over your gob will catch more particles that could contain the virus than if you don't have a mask on. 

 

 

[filbertway]

One thing I don't understand is that apparently they are going to insist on people self-isolating for 10 days, yet are happy to lets the virus run freely through the population... That makes absolutely no sense to me at all. You're just going to end up with the country grinding to a halt and employees either having to fork out for staff that are constantly isolating or people having to try and get by on about 70-80 quid a week.

[Finnaldo]

Currently I get a bus with about 7 other people tops in the morning, then a 5 minute walk down the backstreets in town to the office, so for that I probably wouldn’t bother. Would carry one if I was ill though, always made sense to me when you saw a lot of East Asian countries doing it. 

 

[CosbehFox]

16 minutes ago, filbertway said:

One thing I don't understand is that apparently they are going to insist on people self-isolating for 10 days, yet are happy to lets the virus run freely through the population... That makes absolutely no sense to me at all. You're just going to end up with the country grinding to a halt and employees either having to fork out for staff that are constantly isolating or people having to try and get by on about 70-80 quid a week.

On my stroll around Birmingham at lunch today must have been about four businesses closed due to self isolation 

[RonnieTodger]

I hope this nonsense isolating after "coming into contact" stops soon too. Surely a negative LFT will have to suffice in future. It's sending schools into chaos and messing with people's lives when the strong likelihood is that they're negative.

[UniFox21]

12 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

I hope this nonsense isolating after "coming into contact" stops soon too. Surely a negative LFT will have to suffice in future. It's sending schools into chaos and messing with people's lives when the strong likelihood is that they're negative.

Don't think it should, or will, fully stop. If you've been close to a positive case for a significant period of time then you maybe should take a few days to isolate or required to take tests daily to prove you're negative. 

[RowlattsFox]

To be honest with the semi final and potentially a final, it might not be a bad time for a week off work 

 

Seriously though, it must be frustrating to have to isolate when you have no symptoms whatsoever, especially when the rest of your family can probably do as they please. I've never used the app personally, always signed in places by hand where needed and never had any contact.

 

I'm not anti-mask in any way, and will probably carry one around to begin with but will probably only wear if a) I have too (potentially on planes which may not be a bad thing because the air-conditioning always makes me start my holidays with the sneezes, b) it's a really busy train/bus or c) if I have a serious cold. Even then I think work places will still encourage more people to WFH if clearly ill of some sort for the time being.

 

Certainly won't be bothering for shops, restaurants and pubs voluntarily. 

[Bellend Sebastian]

Discovered that one of my old bosses has got Long COVID, and had two friends die of it. Obviously a lot of people have died from the virus, but I'd still say that's unfortunate

[Legend_in_blue]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

You're a good bloke Ric, but I have to call this one out.

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

 

"The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts."

But not in Indonesia it seems...

 

 

Closed borders in 2020.  Masks mandated in 2020.  

 

And this guy is bang on the money re: face masks.  Sage's behavioural scientist team have got a lot of psychological damage to repair.  How to turn back fear?  Wonder if they'll embrace it or run away from the responsibility.  I suspect it will be the latter.

 

Edited 5 July 2021 by Legend_in_blue

[leicsmac]

14 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

But not in Indonesia it seems...

 

 

Closed borders in 2020.  Masks mandated in 2020.  

 

...which increased case rate could have anything or nothing at all to do with mask mandates (depend on people having them and going along with it, after all) or border controls.

 

Let's come back to this when correlation is empirically shown to come anywhere near causation.

 

Edit: and I'm sure I can find a reasonably qualified talking head to tell me that climate change is a myth/hoax, too - possibly more than one. That doesn't make it so.

 

On this topic, speculation by single voices does not interest me. Verified, peer reviewed journal studies do.

 

NB. The point about individual circumstances in there is actually quite a salient one - it's just a shame that so much unsubstantiated and misleading opinion expressed as fact was delivered with it.

Edited 5 July 2021 by leicsmac

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, UniFox21 said:

Don't think it should, or will, fully stop. If you've been close to a positive case for a significant period of time then you maybe should take a few days to isolate or required to take tests daily to prove you're negative. 

At some point the infections is gonna be huge though, I don't see how the country can function if tonnes of people have been to they have got to take 2 weeks off after coming into contact with someone who has tested positive. If we're worried about case numbers then it seems to be counter intuitive to open up to me. 

 

I understood it when we were trying to get the R number down. If we're opening up then there's clearly little concern about infections rising.

 

I'm fairly confident it'll be a massively discussed issue within a few weeks of restrictions being further eased if they continue to insist on 10 day isolation for being near someone who has tested positive.

 

[UniFox21]

Realistically this mask removal rule isn't going to do a lot given most people seem to not wear them or can't wear one properly either 

[st albans fox]

Some really encouraging initial studies into how long immunity may last after vaccination 

 

possibly two years 

 

actually, that can’t be a study can it !

 

 

[Legend_in_blue]

8 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Don't even get me started on this government, absolutely frightening. The opposition seem worryingly poor as well. Just a horrible era this is. 

True.  Labour now asking to see the scientific evidence based on today's announcement. 

 

How about starting with the scientific evidence which started this off 16 months ago?  Start asking for that.  They've all been absolutely hopeless.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Happy days, Boris asking us to make our own decisions on most things.

 

Roll on Fanclub

[StanSP]

 

 

[Legend_in_blue]

Bizarre.  That's the first time they've delivered a set of graphs that actually make perfect sense on the eve of lifting all restrictions.  Coincidence perhaps?

[Guest ttfn]

1 hour ago, RonnieTodger said:

I hope this nonsense isolating after "coming into contact" stops soon too. Surely a negative LFT will have to suffice in future. It's sending schools into chaos and messing with people's lives when the strong likelihood is that they're negative.

I got a notification today saying that I was in contact with somebody who has tested positive and need to isolate for 5 days. Working backwards, that’s Wednesday last week that I would have had to have been in contact with them, a day I didn’t leave the house other than to drop my son at nursery, outdoors where everyone was wearing masks.

 

My wife is due to give birth on Saturday. As it stands if it’s early I can’t be there if I follow the rules and don’t lie to the hospital staff. 

I’ve taken a LFT and it’s negative. I have a PCR test left over from the cup final, I’m sending that off and if it comes back negative then absolutely no chance I am missing my child’s birth, especially when the rules are due to change imminently. 

[RowlattsFox]

I guess August will be the moment of truth and will shape what happens this winter. I fear the worst, even it I am happy certain restrictions will be lifted. 

[Super_horns]

Sounds like most restrictions are being scrapped ..

 

Well as it stands.

[Dan]

Finally. ****ing finally.

[UniFox21]

I see journalists are still asking absolutely stupid questions. "Prime minister predict how many will die".