Coronavirus Thread

[Guest Bert Fill]

51 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Anyone else not had the vaccine yet? I don't know whether to have it or not? i'm mid 30's been working since it started and not had any bad flus apart from when it first appeared.

 

Which is the one that was causing bloodclots?

Well it’ll probably help you not get covid, and probably help you not get it badly if you do get it, so there’s that.

 

The one that there’s been a blood clot conversation about is the AstraZeneca one. Not sure whether there’s actually any more likelihood of a blood clot if you’ve had it than if you haven’t.

I am sure that there’s much more likelihood of a blood clot if you get covid.

I’ve had both AZ jabs and haven’t died.

[Guest Lcfc82]

8 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

There’s nothing to stop people carrying on wearing masks if they want to.
I think the amount of people who continue to wear them will be a lot lower than stated in that tweet.

[Guest Bert Fill]

9 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

There’s nothing to stop people carrying on wearing masks if they want to.

Firstly, there is though, isn’t there. Not everyone is prepared/able/confident enough to wear a mask if they worry anti-mask idiots will mock them. Or just worry that people will think they’re silly.

 

Secondly, the primary function of most masks is to help protect other people. So yeah, a person can carry on wearing a mask in a shop or on a bus, but if everyone else is maskless, it’s not achieving much.

 

13 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

I think the amount of people who continue to wear them will be a lot lower than stated in that tweet.

That’s because of the above. That’s why people want it to be mandatory, so everyone is wearing a mask for everyone’s good.

[Corky]

3 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

I hope this nonsense isolating after "coming into contact" stops soon too. Surely a negative LFT will have to suffice in future. It's sending schools into chaos and messing with people's lives when the strong likelihood is that they're negative.

If they are hoping for offices to be back to normal then it has to stop. My team has been fortunate that we've had no upheaval with a few people in and most working from home; if everyone is back then there's a likelihood more will be sent home to isolate if pinged by this trace stuff. You don't want people in and out of the office all the time.

[Legend_in_blue]

29 minutes ago, martyn said:

Translation:

 

The exact same data points they've used for ages now results in my preferred outcome, therefore the data is better.

Further translation:

Modelling has not been used to decide on what restrictions will remain in place due to the modelling outcomes.

[Guest Lcfc82]

24 minutes ago, Bert Fill said:

Firstly, there is though, isn’t there. Not everyone is prepared/able/confident enough to wear a mask if they worry anti-mask idiots will mock them. Or just worry that people will think they’re silly.

 

Secondly, the primary function of most masks is to help protect other people. So yeah, a person can carry on wearing a mask in a shop or on a bus, but if everyone else is maskless, it’s not achieving much.

 

That’s because of the above. That’s why people want it to be mandatory, so everyone is wearing a mask for everyone’s good.

No there is nothing stopping someone wearing a mask. Why does it have to be made mandatory ?

 

if someone was scared of wearing one because they were worried that people think they are silly then that’s there problem and if they think wearing a mask is necessary then it’s something they need to get over.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if they do a U turn on the masks on public transport anyway.

Edited 5 July 2021 by Lcfc82

[Finnaldo]

I’ve heard people say they’ve never been asked to sign in but I’ve only once been into a pub/bar and not been asked to give details and that was in Manchester. Not once have I gone into a place in Leicester town or Leicestershire and not been asked to sign in with the Covid 19 app.

[martyn]

7 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

I’ve heard people say they’ve never been asked to sign in but I’ve only once been into a pub/bar and not been asked to give details and that was in Manchester. Not once have I gone into a place in Leicester town or Leicestershire and not been asked to sign in with the Covid 19 app.

Was out in Central London on Saturday and was asked to sign in at all 3 places we went to.

[Finnaldo]

Does anyone know if those going into hospital appointments are still required to self-isolate after 19 July? I’ve seen nothing on it. 

Edited 5 July 2021 by Finnaldo

[adam]

36 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

Around about 20th pub ive visited in London and first time asked to check in ( but encouraged to give fake details ) 

Has anyone ever gave the correct details?

Edited 5 July 2021 by adam

[lgfualol]

Not in the UK, but it seems mental the govt are keen to **** off most rules despite the Delta variant and highest cases in Europe (from what I've read). Also interesting to see the shift of opinion from pro covid rules to anti covid rules. 

 

Hoping to come over in August (fully vaccinated) for the first time since December 2019. Fingers crossed it doesnt get crazy.

[StanSP]

Just now, lgfualol said:

Not in the UK, but it seems mental the govt are keen to **** off most rules despite the Delta variant and highest cases in Europe (from what I've read). Also interesting to see the shift of opinion from pro covid rules to anti covid rules. 

 

Hoping to come over in August (fully vaccinated) for the first time since December 2019. Fingers crossed it doesnt get crazy.

I'm glad it's the hospitalisations and deaths numbers which are being looked at as opposed to just cases, though. 

The vaccine programme is clearly working given the strength in numbers (literally) of those who have been vaccinated and the hospitalisations and deaths dramatically decreasing and then staying low. 

 

This is the way forward, hence the 'living with Covid' lines we're hearing today. If the vaccine programme can remain strong, it's likely this is how it'll be with booster jabs every now and then. 

 

If that's the requirement to maintain freedom - that we have to be vaccinated every 6-12 months - then so be it. I'd rather that than staying in partial 'lockdowns' or with restrictions and not being able to plan things properly. 

[Buce]

25 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

I’ve heard people say they’ve never been asked to sign in but I’ve only once been into a pub/bar and not been asked to give details and that was in Manchester. Not once have I gone into a place in Leicester town or Leicestershire and not been asked to sign in with the Covid 19 app.

 

I've been to Oadby Wetherspoons three times in the last few weeks and wasn't asked to do anything.

[Legend_in_blue]

1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

I've been to Oadby Wetherspoons three times in the last few weeks and wasn't asked to do anything.

I've been a couple of places too and not been asked either.

 

I think it's a case of here's the signs, we're seen to be doing what is asked, but there's no follow up on it - aka lip service.

[Guest Bert Fill]

31 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

No there is nothing stopping someone wearing a mask. Why does it have to be made mandatory ?

Well, I did explain that… twas kind of the whole point of my post. Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear.

[fox_favourite]

The idea of a mask is more to protect others from you, not you from others. So is there much point the odd person wearing them? 
 

personally, that is probably one restriction I would have kept for now. No masks with rising cases will see case sky rocket I feel, I suppose it will resolve the year long argument. Do masks actually work. The gov are saying “go on, find out peasants!”

 

Also read about another strain Lambda variant. Brilliant  

Edited 5 July 2021 by fox_favourite

[UniFox21]

45 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

I’ve heard people say they’ve never been asked to sign in but I’ve only once been into a pub/bar and not been asked to give details and that was in Manchester. Not once have I gone into a place in Leicester town or Leicestershire and not been asked to sign in with the Covid 19 app.

All the pubs I've been to in Cov and Brum have asked to sign in. 

However, the spoons never did directly ask but had a few signs up to direct you to do so. 

Edited 5 July 2021 by UniFox21

[Livid]

The Government….‘Social responsibility’ ‘Common sense of the British public’ ‘Highly contagious’ 

 

Football fans and gig goers on Twitter….  ‘I’m vaccinated, all stations go baby, let the good times roll’ 

 

It doesn’t stop you getting it, It doesn’t stop you passing it on. It extremely unlikely to  kill you or put you in hospital but it will knock you back. 
 

IF we lockdown again It won’t be the deaths or hospitalisations but the percentage of the workforce off sick that businesses are struggling to cope. 
 

At the current infection rates I don’t know how many artists are going to be happy playing a gig in a enclosed space in front of a few thousand fans singing along right in front of them. 

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, Livid said:

The Government….‘Social responsibility’ ‘Common sense of the British public’ ‘Highly contagious’ 

 

Football fans and gig goers on Twitter….  ‘I’m vaccinated, all stations go baby, let the good times roll’ 

 

It doesn’t stop you getting it, It doesn’t stop you passing it on. It extremely unlikely to  kill you or put you in hospital but it will knock you back. 
 

IF we lockdown again It won’t be the deaths or hospitalisations but the percentage of the workforce off sick that businesses are struggling to cope. 
 

At the current infection rates I don’t know how many artists are going to be happy playing a gig in a enclosed space in front of a few thousand fans singing along right in front of them. 

They're buzzing for it mate. They cant wait to get back doing what they love and earning money. Their social medias are all well excited to get back on tour

[Nod.E]

2 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

I know it shouldn't just be a popularity contest, but labour need all the support they can get at the moment. 

 

It's ill advised to go against public sentiment of wanting to open up.

 

They're not going to change the rules of the game, which dictate that the general voter will base opinion from sound bites. So they might as well think about starting to play the opposition at that game rather than allowing it to batter them time and time again.

 

At this point I can't even call myself a labour voter. I'm anti-Tory and that's about as gushing as I'll get in my support of Labour.

[PaddyS]

58 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

Does anyone know if those going into hospital appointments are still required to self-isolate after 19 July? I’ve seen nothing on it. 

I broke my ankle last week. I first went to Newark urgent care centre who sorted me out. They then booked me an appointment at Kingsmill hospital in Mansfield which I've now been to also. Neither time did I have to isolate or do anything covid related at all, apart from wearing a mask while I was there.

[st albans fox]

15 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

I know it shouldn't just be a popularity contest, but labour need all the support they can get at the moment. 

 

It's ill advised to go against public sentiment of wanting to open up.

 

They're not going to change the rules of the game, which dictate that the general voter will base opinion from sound bites. So they might as well think about starting to play the opposition at that game rather than allowing it to batter them time and time again.

 

At this point I can't even call myself a labour voter. I'm anti-Tory and that's about as gushing as I'll get in my support of Labour.

I have no evidence (I’m sure polling is currently taking place) but i suspect that more than fifty percent of the public would not want all restrictions removed on the 19th 

 

so starmer may be playing to the audience more than you think ….

 

EDIT: I just read the previous page and it seems the numbers are already out.  

Edited 5 July 2021 by st albans fox

[KrefelderFox666]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I have no evidence (I’m sure polling is currently taking place) but i suspect that more than fifty percent of the public would not want all restrictions removed on the 19th 

 

so starmer may be playing to the audience more than you think ….

I think the biggest problem is that more than 50% of the public are happy (or accepting) of the current situation. However, there is still a small percentage who are impacted by current restrictions and they should be heard too, even if only a smaller number. Just because the current situation suits one individual, doesn't mean it suits everyone.

 

Is the lifting of restrictions too much, too soon? Maybe. Maybe not. Is there current scientific evidence that we are in a bad place? No, there isn't. Cases are up but the impact is minimal. Is there a risk something goes wrong? Of course.

 

The key is to look at all angles of society. Just because the rules are removed, doesn't mean you have to stop wearing a mask or keeping your distance. It's about using common sense and taking your own risks.

[Bert]

I’m glad that things will be eased in two weeks. I think on public transport I will still wear a mask, more for the fact you can only control your own common sense.

 

This isn’t going to go away and we have to learn to live with this, but there’s more than myself to think about. 
 

On the flip side it’ll be nice to feel free and have “normal life” before this in some sort, back. I’m also sure with the way we’ve been forced to live with in the last 16 months a lot of people will still be cautious about going back to pre COVID life, which is fair enough. 
 

The light is finally at the end of the tunnel. 
 

 

[Bert]

2 hours ago, Otis said:

Cases don't matter if they don't lead to anything more serious. Which the current evidence shows.

Yep, people get the flu all the time which can also be fatal and we have learnt to live with that. As I’ve already said, we have to learn to live with it.