US Presidential Election 2020

[leicsmac]

50 minutes ago, That_Dude said:

Peaky I hold you in highest esteem but I don't know if you're exactly aware of the long-term consequences. The only way to get rid of this kind of scum and cut them off their base once and for all (more or less), is to let them fall on their own sword. The Capitol disaster was just that and there was nothing more to add.

 

He's a coward, albeit a (temporarily) powerful one. You know that he never meant his confession. He was forced to do it because the threat of the 25A and legal consequences for inciting the mob suddenly became very real. For once he realized that there was no way out, that it wasn't a game anymore, that there wasn't any room left to gaslight and bullshit his way out without consequences. The republican establishment might finally have found the balls to distance themselves from him to some extent, but his base is still with him and that's the primary target. Banning Trump from Twitter and try to impeach him once again when he just has 2 weeks, is not only pointless but also suicidal in the long-term. It will only pour gasoline on the fire and comfort the MAGA crowd in the idea that he was an anti-establishment crusader who had to be silenced at all cost by the 'swamp', the media and the 'big tech'.

 

He monumentally fecked up and realized that he didn't have any meaningful audience anymore other than his die-hard cultists, so let him quietly reap what he sowed without appearing to be vindictive.

There's something in that...but I'm not entirely sure how many more people could be cut off from his base no matter what the Dems or Twitter have done.

 

I mean, it could well be bad optics and I might be wrong, but I think it's difficult to tell either way.

[Mike Oxlong]

The White House has issued a statement expressing concern that impeachment will only “further divide our great country”

 

This sentiment, emanating from a man who has done nothing but work tirelessly to create division and sow discord and lies since the very start of his political career is truly touching  

[Dahnsouff]

Bit late to close the door Donny, the horse was free ages ago. 

[Innovindil]

Google has suspended "free speech" social network Parler from its Play Store over its failure to remove "egregious content".

 

Parler styles itself as "unbiased" social media and has proved popular with people banned from Twitter.

 

But Google said the app had failed to remove posts inciting violence.

 

Poor Trumpet not even going to be able to flee to parler soon enough. 

 

[ozleicester]

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses.

 

Out of that population of working (police) officers who plan to vote in the November election, 84% say they support Donald Trump.

 

https://www.policemag.com/342098/the-2016-police-presidential-poll?fbclid=iwar3re_fobc32wqrzquqm3sokoedhthxq9oef1pjzaisncd266oq6ojbbzw0

 

Edited 9 January 2021 by ozleicester

[StanSP]

51 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Google has suspended "free speech" social network Parler from its Play Store over its failure to remove "egregious content".

 

Parler styles itself as "unbiased" social media and has proved popular with people banned from Twitter.

 

But Google said the app had failed to remove posts inciting violence.

 

Poor Trumpet not even going to be able to flee to parler soon enough. 

 

Apple did the same too. Said they have 24 hours to moderate their content or they go off their store too. 

Edited 9 January 2021 by StanSP

[Scotch]

58 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Bit late to close the door Donny, the horse was free ages ago. 

The horse died of old age.

[Voll Blau]

7 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

The truly head scratching thing is the claim it’s a freedom of speech issue. It’s a private domain 

Yep. Lads who are usually all over the free market deciding things are getting all het up about the free market deciding something.

[Buce]

9 hours ago, Rain King said:

 

'This is not so much a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted as doping the horse, whipping it into a frenzy, encouraging it to bolt, fostering a world in which humans are subjugated by horses, monetising every snort and whinny, allowing the very existence of “humans” and “horses” to become just one of a bunch of competing opinions, and then – only when that one particular horse has outlived its usefulness and seems destined for the glue factory – gently closing the stable door with a self-satisfied little “click”.'   Marina Hyde, Guardian

[HighPeakFox]

Don't get me wrong - it's come way, way too late, and miles too much damage has now been done, the infection (both literal and metaphorical) has been encouraged to spread. And also, getting rid of Trump doesn't get rid of the deeper issue, which is huge money funding all this horribly divisive destabilisation all over the globe.

[CosbehFox]

24 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Don't get me wrong - it's come way, way too late, and miles too much damage has now been done, the infection (both literal and metaphorical) has been encouraged to spread. And also, getting rid of Trump doesn't get rid of the deeper issue, which is huge money funding all this horribly divisive destabilisation all over the globe.

Excellent point HPF. Mr Putin is absolutely rubbing his hands together at the moment. So many chess moves falling into place for him.

Edited 9 January 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[Mike Oxlong]

Donny’s going to sign up to FT to try and get his message to the world - look out for username DT FOX (NEWS ARE RINOs)

[HighPeakFox]

34 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Excellent point HPF. Mr Putin is absolutely rubbing his hands together at the moment. So many chess moves falling into place for him.

Yes. And even more chilling is the money behind him - we know his name, but rarely do we delve deeper. Putin and Trump are/have been highly effective fronts for criminals, basically. And it's happening everywhere.

[StanSP]

 

[The Bear]

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Donny’s going to sign up to FT to try and get his message to the world - look out for username DT FOX (NEWS ARE RINOs)

Not so much 'sign up', more 'log back in'.

 

Wondered what Thracian has been up to.

[Babylon]

21 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Never trust people who think they can do what the hell they like because they claim to be 'patriots'.

Americans are mental (or half of them anyway). They are obsessed with patriotism, communism, socialism, Russia and China. They actually think, that the democrats are inline with China and that somehow this spells the end of 'Merica. 

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Americans are mental (or half of them anyway). They are obsessed with patriotism, communism, socialism, Russia and China. They actually think, that the democrats are inline with China and that somehow this spells the end of 'Merica. 

We suffer with our own version of this delusion here too.

[That_Dude]

8 hours ago, leicsmac said:

There's something in that...but I'm not entirely sure how many more people could be cut off from his base no matter what the Dems or Twitter have done.

 

I mean, it could well be bad optics and I might be wrong, but I think it's difficult to tell either way.

He has a hardcore, radicalized base that will literally follow him to the grave, no matter what he says or does, that's a given. For those there's no possible way of swaying them. But from what I read, even on conservative forums, the Capitol storming was the tipping point. IMO there's nothing to do more but capitalize on that. He got what 12-13 days more and then he's out, the 25A is still hanging above his head and I don't think that the Government will let him do anything relevant anyway. He's been wrecking and dividing his country for four years and the damages are big enough. 

 

Time to move on. An impeachment will solve nothing.

[Facecloth]

4 minutes ago, That_Dude said:

He has a hardcore, radicalized base that will literally follow him to the grave, no matter what he says or does, that's a given. For those there's no possible way of swaying them. But from what I read, even on conservative forums, the Capitol storming was the tipping point. IMO there's nothing to do more but capitalize on that. He got what 12-13 days more and then he's out, the 25A is still hanging above his head and I don't think that the Government will let him do anything relevant anyway. He's been wrecking and dividing his country for four years and the damages are big enough. 

 

Time to move on. An impeachment will solve nothing.

Well it doesn't solve nothing.

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, That_Dude said:

Time to move on. An impeachment will solve nothing.

I'm not sure that's totally true. Lack of impeachment suggests that he's allowed to get away with the most egregious, wanton acts without any negative consequence to him. As I said, it's way too late, but this one might stick, and make the likely criminal proceedings against him more possible.

[Guest seanfox778]

19 hours ago, Detroit Blues said:

Leicester City lifted the Premier League trophy in May 2016. Trump won the presidency just a few months later. Coincidence? I think not. Clearly we are living in an alternate timeline of a much more reasonable universe. 

 

 

That Leicester fan needs to get back into his DeLoreon and fix this mess. Trump even looks like Biff Tannen in Back to the Future part II

Edited 9 January 2021 by seanfox778

[That_Dude]

35 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I'm not sure that's totally true. Lack of impeachment suggests that he's allowed to get away with the most egregious, wanton acts without any negative consequence to him. As I said, it's way too late, but this one might stick, and make the likely criminal proceedings against him more possible.

I get what you're saying and it's true that his highly reprehensible actions should be punished as severely as the law allows it. However I'm trying to put things in perspective and think about the whole country and the long-term consequences. The population never has been that divided and you have two camps that now literally hate each other and on the brink of a civil war. Someone has to take to take first step and begin the reconciliation process. Why not the victor? An impeachment will only worsen the situation and delay the process. IMO, he'll never win an election again after what happened in the Capitol. His hardcore base is not enough to compensate for the moderate conservatives and undecided who voted for him in November and I'm pretty sure that he now lost them. I know that it seems to be a light punishment in regard to how much havoc he deliberately wrecked but I think that's preferable to a further escalation. He still can be brought to Justice when he leaves the office even if I deem it to highly unlikely.

 

37 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Well it doesn't solve nothing.

 

 

1) Frankly he doesn't need it even if it's a nice pay-off.

2) See 1.

3) I think that he can live without it.

4) He'll hopefully be either dead or too unfit to be President by then and there's no way he'll win anything now anyway.

 

It's really not worth it, imo. Don't give him an attention he doesn't deserve.

Edited 9 January 2021 by That_Dude

[HighPeakFox]

33 minutes ago, That_Dude said:

I get what you're saying and it's true that his highly reprehensible actions should be punished as severely as the law allows it. However I'm trying to put things in perspective and think about the whole country and the long-term consequences. The population never has been that divided and you have two camps that now literally hate each other and on the brink of a civil war. Someone has to take to take first step and begin the reconciliation process. Why not the victor? An impeachment will only worsen the situation and delay the process. IMO, he'll never win an election again after what happened in the Capitol. His hardcore base is not enough to compensate for the moderate conservatives and undecided who voted for him in November and I'm pretty sure that he now lost them. I know that it seems to be a light punishment in regard to how much havoc he deliberately wrecked but I think that's preferable to a further escalation. He still can be brought to Justice when he leaves the office even if I deem it to highly unlikely.

 

1) Frankly he doesn't need it even if it's a nice pay-off.

2) See 1.

3) I think that he can live without it.

4) He'll hopefully be either dead or too unfit to be President by then and there's no way he'll win anything now anyway.

 

It's really not worth it, imo. Don't give him an attention he doesn't deserve.

Reconciliation with the hard right never works. They want more and more and never give way. 

[foxile5]

5 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Donny’s going to sign up to FT to try and get his message to the world - look out for username DT FOX (NEWS ARE RINOs)

He started that Jamie thread, I heard.