Entitled fans or realistic fans?

[RowlattsFox]

As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Both sides of the argument are equally annoying in almost every thread, then it becomes a competition to see who can become the most exaggerated.

 

Football is passionate, reactive and opinionated. Matchday threads are always going to be a rollercoaster of emotions. 

 

At the end of the day, we all want Leicester to do well. And to it by performing well. It's not always going to be like that, some people are more level headed, some are over the top with reactions. 

 

There is definitely an element who expect us to be challenging for titles, which is ridiculous. Most of us know where we've come from, naturally you lose a bit of perspective when you've spent a bit of time doing well. We call players shit now knowing full well what we used to put up with 

 

Football fans are fickle. 

 

 

[Hollyfox]

In this league, you stand still, you go backwards. 

After winning the league, I didn't want our club to crawl back under the rock we came from. 

And we haven't. 

It's brilliant what's happened but we have to keep striving forward or we'll end up like a few others that have done well for a bit, then faded. 

 

Fans have to be realistic though👍

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

I don't think it's entitled to look at that team sheet against Fulham and just feel so, so deflated, a feeling of impending doom. I think I'm within my rights to think that's unacceptable as a fan. But I'm also hugely excited and being a season ticket holder during then leviene times I certainly am bloody grateful for what we've got going on but that doesn't make us immune to criticism with stuff like the Fulham game. Obviously some of the criticism and some of the nonsense spouted is embarrassing but that's life on the Internet. Like for me to say I think mads should take a step back from set pieces, I'm not saying I'd drive him to *insert football stadium here* myself, I'm looking at what can improve us because you always want to be improving on things that are clear and obviously achievable. 

[Frank Large's Black Book]

How can we have expectations with an injury list that contains just about the whole of the first pick defence/DM.

All we are entitled to is HOPE.

 

We over achieved at the beginning but now are hanging on by our fingertips.

 

I don't believe BR entirely trusts the defence available so picks a defensive team to cover it - hence few bodies to break down a packed defence.

 

Really really bored by the vocal minority that believe that by shouting loudly and frequently that X, Y or Z is crap.

 

You are all beginning to sound like Trump.

 

[Dahnsouff]

In our binary society, there is no room for nuanced opinions.

[whoareyaaa]

19 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

We didn't play well today. We didn't play well in the two preceding games, either. Whether you're top end of the Premiership or bottom of the Championship you're not a bad supporter for saying it.

listen you can't criticise the manager or team its not allowed, we are going through a crisis situation playing twice a week and with an injury list longer than Klopp's Liverpool keep your your outrageous opinion to your self you entitled ****..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[theessexfox]

I think there have been underlying worrying signs that belie our position in the table - the inability to break down teams that sit in against us (particularly at home), the ineptitude from set pieces at both ends (you’d think one of the best paid coaches in the world could organise even a small team to defend set pieces well), and sometimes odd choices with subs. Those signs are also legacies from the second half of last season when our form dropped off a cliff after Christmas. It’s legitimate to be worried about those signs and to have been frustrated at the second half performance today whilst being delighted at where we sit in the table and being happy with the quality we have to capitalise on mistakes like we did today.

Edited 6 December 2020 by theessexfox

[Foxxed]

Some feel we underachieve with our players. Fair enough. Arsenal fans think they're underachieving with their money, reputation and players. I agree.

 

Entitled is bandied around too much. It's used as an insult. It only really applies if you wants the results without the work.

 

If you see fantastic performances, then awful performances, and you complain then I don't think you're entitled -- just frustrated. And if you see great players and great coaches and still get nothing -- same.

 

Honestly I don't think there are too many entitled posters. Just ones that see we have some truly fantastic players and think we should be playing better.

[Dan]

5 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Both sides of the argument are equally annoying in almost every thread, then it becomes a competition to see who can become the most exaggerated.

 

Football is passionate, reactive and opinionated. Matchday threads are always going to be a rollercoaster of emotions. 

 

At the end of the day, we all want Leicester to do well. And to it by performing well. It's not always going to be like that, some people are more level headed, some are over the top with reactions. 

 

There is definitely an element who expect us to be challenging for titles, which is ridiculous. Most of us know where we've come from, naturally you lose a bit of perspective when you've spent a bit of time doing well. We call players shit now knowing full well what we used to put up with 

 

Football fans are fickle. 

 

 

Yep, this is a point often missed. It's a heated game. Lots of things are heat of the moment.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Dan LCFC said:

Yep, this is a point often missed. It's a heated game. Lots of things are heat of the moment.

It's not just in the heat of the moment though, people were moaning an hour before kick off when the team was announced, as if they'd got their complaints ready in advanced.

[HoustonFox]

5 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

I'm sure he can take the criticism, when it's measured and fair.

Oh and there is entitlement. Too much of it.

I think he is actually getting a bit tetchy, Geoff.  Did you hear his response to Stringer’s question about defending corners?  It was immediately “we can’t stop the cross on a corne, Ian”.  I think that was somewhat showing his frustration, to actually a legit question from Stringer about set piece defending.

 

On to the topic of the thread, it seems to be very polarizing that either you’re all negative nelly or all happy clapper, when in reality it’s shades of grey.  I posted a (probably overly) long viewpoint in the post match thread.  TLDR version. Super happy we won but wasn’t really a need to have left it late like we did.  Did I cheer like a madman when Vards smashed the ball and then the corner flag?  Absofuchinglutely, but do I think overall that it was a great performance that shows cohesion and improvement game on game? Not really. Don’t give me the “we should be grateful” story either, I want to keep improving and win more.  I’ve been a City fan my whole life and from playoff wins, League One trophy and onto the Prem, the theme was we win and strive to improve and it’s the foundation for where we are now.  I want more of 2015/16, not just to settle and say, “ah memories” and for that we need high standards.  

 

Win or lose, I’ll support City, but I want us to keep progressing too. 

[TheStig]

No we are not entitled. But we are falling in between "ohhh were Leicester - don´t expect too much and "were Leicester the champions - we can do it again".

 

I think we are entitled to have expectations - and high ones. The club has ambitions and is investing heavily in creating the right facilities to attract class players. As we are Leicester we are used to ups and downs - and we sort of accept that. What we do not accept is a laissez faire attitude of players not giving their all on the pitch or a manager that does not adapt when we play badly.

Players are paid an incredible amount of money (and the manager as well) and a high performance and quality level can rightly be expected from both parties. Sometimes the play doesn´t "click" - but then we expect grinding and grafting. And have the players given all - then we have to accept that it just didn´t work on the given day.

We do have to get away from the "little Leicester" tag. Success breeds expectations - like it or not.

[HighPeakFox]

6 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

listen you can't criticise the manager or team its not allowed, we are going through a crisis situation playing twice a week and with an injury list longer than Klopp's Liverpool keep your your outrageous opinion to your self you entitled ****..

 

 

Which absolutely nobody is saying  

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

Which absolutely nobody is saying  

I'm jesting  

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

I'm jesting  

I realise, hence I felt safe commenting.

[Corky]

Entitled fans, to me, are ones that believe we have a right to something. Nobody is moaning about our position in the table. Am I fully convinced by us? No. Think we can offer more at times? Yes. 

 

I believe we've got an exciting team that isn't showing it's full potential. We rely too much on one striker. Our set-pieces at both ends are dreadful. On the other hand, we have a top class striker, some fantastic full-backs and midfielders, players from our Academy are showing a lot of promise and we are blistering on the counter-attack. We are also superb at being ruthless.

 

We've played some brilliant football under Rodgers. We've also played some awful football. I think we could show more steel and be harder to play against at times. 

 

We can't have it both ways, though. We can't talk up our chances of doing something big, being a consistent top six team then shrug our shoulders when we don't do enough.

[Dan]

5 minutes ago, Webbo said:

It's not just in the heat of the moment though, people were moaning an hour before kick off when the team was announced, as if they'd got their complaints ready in advanced.

There is some bullshit make no mistake, but I'm not keen on this growing belief on here that it's some sort of sacrilege to have an opinion on a teamsheet.

[katieakita]

At an age when this is still the stuff of dreams but as for this season this will be a season like no other due to a manic fixture schedule and player management some of the results show that Liverpool conceding 7 Man Utd 6 us popping 5 past citeh or West ham putting 3 past us, we have qualified for the next stages of the Europa league and however bad some think we are plenty of teams would swap places with us now. We have players coming back from injury and a training ground as good as any in the world but for any City fans unhappy with things if our current performances and league position and style of play is the worse thing to worry about at the moment maybe things are not so bad in your world

[Paninistickers]

34 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

The issue comes into the fact that we've the 17th best paid manager IN THE WORLD. 

 

As Leicester fans this is a) absurd to think and b) a key indicator for expectancies. 

 

We're not entitled. It's realism. If he's taking the coin he can take the criticism. 

I didn't he was 17th best paid in the world. But assuming that's right,  aren't we give or take, one of the top 20 club teams in the world? 

 

So on that basis, we are about par. 

[hejammy]

You have expectation (realistic ones) based on the calibre of player you have coupled with how well you've been doing recently. We know that some of the players we have on paper have the potential to be one of the best in the world (eg. Madders, Barnes, Youri et al.) 

 

We know what we are capable of shown at the start of last season and this season. But then we know that when madders for example insists (or BR insists) on him taking all of our set peices when 0 effect over and over again that's a simple logistical change that needs to happen. It's not rocket science. It's frustration more than entitlement with us I think. 

Edited 6 December 2020 by hejammy

[Koke]

Its not entitlement to expect us to beat lesser opposition, and not embarrassing ourselves at home to the likes of Fulham and West Ham. Also, when you see a team sheet of 5 defenders against the Blades then people are allowed to be critical or moan. 

 

Nobody was expecting top 4 this time last year but the way we fell off and bottled it was disgraceful and no amount of "big picture" will tell me otherwise. 

[st albans fox]

46 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I just want a team who are set up to win

silly me - I thought we did win 

[davieG]

29 minutes ago, StanSP said:

What's frustrating for me is everyone is always focusing far too much on the negative. After a win its always about who didn't play well, who should be replaced, who should be sold, who should be our manager. Everyone is far too reactionary and totally miss the bigger picture. 

Before we got wall to wall 24hr football matches on the TV all the talk down the pub post match was about the goals we'd seen, the moves etc. No one ever seems to discuss what actually happened in the game, well except what you said plus refs and VAR.

[Manini]

I mean there’s always been a fair amount of pessimists and optimists on here and everyone is in a competition as to who can shout the loudest. It’s a football discussion forum at the end of the day and if it upsets you either way you’re probably in the wrong place. Sometimes people see things differently to others. I spoke to my dad after the game for example, he thought Perez was crap, I thought he was good. It isn’t a reason to fall out with each other, and being overly optimistic or overly pessimistic doesn’t make you any less of a fan, criticising the line up doesn’t make you any less of a fan, having a moan at the team doesn’t make you any less of a fan, we just all call things as we see it in our own opinions. Do and say what you like at the end of the day, as long as you’re not causing mass offence, who cares. 

Edited 6 December 2020 by Manini

[st albans fox]

I’m pretty fed up with posters who think this is a game of football manager or FIFA

 

none of you know if under or Barnes are carrying niggles.  perhaps rodgers decided that he would only use them if he was chasing the game. 
 

we bossed the game ....we lacked a bit of creativity against their mid/low block but there was always a chance we would get a big chance ....and we did 

 

we are missing two of the best full back/wing backs in the division .....maybe, just maybe we will be a better side when we have them playing ..... in addition, the manager is finding his way through the most congested season these players will ever be involved in having missed proper a pre season 

 

but I guess a load of you know better ............