Entitled fans or realistic fans?

[Guest Danny Clender]

Regarding raising our potential and consistency.

As soon as our young talented players achieve those levels of potential and consistency, they'll be bought by another club. 

 

As of late, Leicester has managed the transfer market impeccably, but we have to be realistic about the players we can afford to sign, pay and keep. 

 

That's what keeps me grounded and overall positive, we have a great manager and backroom staff who are managing those expectations and inconsistencies exceptionally well. 

 

It's impossible to deny posters that want to spice it up with a bit of backlash and provocation, It's actually really fun, I just find it difficult to agree with their expectations. 

[surrifox]

Entitled v realistic? Crusties v hipsters?

 

It’s just a manifestation of social media’s effect on every aspect of life. Don’t get me wrong I do it myself but these days every thought and post , positive or negative will find an echo and confirmation somewhere . In the past you would hear some Pratt on the terraces shouting at the manager and probably ignore it or agree with it but say nothing, now he will be on SM doubling down chasing likes and the polarisation begins.

[Fox85]

5 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

As an old crusty please allow me to school you a little. 

 

Yes your right as a supporter for 30 years we are massively over achieving based on our historical standing. So maybe the years following my team on the terraces at Peterborough, Yeovil, Southend etc has given me a sense of perspective that enables me to keep a level head when this young team stutters in form from time to time. 

 

But forget the history as a younger more entitled fan I would urge you and others to look at the cold hard reality of our situation.

 

The bare facts are. We have the 8th highest wage bill in the league and the 11th highest 5 year net spend. The facts are we finished 5th last season and currently sit in 4th. So not only are we over performing historically we are also just out and out over performing full stop, against rivals that have vastly superior spending power. Man United for instance have a wage bill that's around 6 times higher than ours and Man City have a net spend approximately 5 times more than ours. 

 

But guess what? We are beating these sides regularly. Not just in one of games but over the course of a season in the table.

 

How are doing this? We sign promising young players who aren't developed enough for the big boys and we develop them and sell them on at a huge profit.

 

What do young players struggle with? Consistency, hence why they are signing for Leicester City and not Man United etc and hence why are form can sometimes be up and down. 

 

So in conclusion yes I do try to have a bit more patience with the odd poor performance as we are over achieving both historically and financially and also our recent sucess which has enabled you to devolp such an entitled attitude is based on signing young player who struggle with consistency. 

Ok as a much more crusty fan than you.

 

As a supporter of 35 years I do not tend to look back on the history as much as we are currently in present day.

 

Those that always dwell on the past will never move forward or achieve things and will always be happy with bog standard.

 

The team we have now is not just a contender in the premier league but a challenger for the top 6. So why not feel let down when the team plays shite.

 

I see your side of the argument but we are much more entitled to be where we are today due to the financial backing we have and players, stadium, new training facility etc.

[Chrysalis]

if you expect us to win every game then by sure entitled.

 

My expectation is to play to our strengths and be competitive in the games we play.  I dont think thats unrealistic.

 

It seems some on here have turned to attacking posters to try and defend the poor performances.  Nothing wrong with disagreeing, thats what happens on a discussion forum, but when fans start been called not true fans and that sort of thing I expect its over stepping.

 

Ultimately I know what is causing the divide.

 

There is some people who think historical standing is where a club should be forever, if the club starts to achieve more then that, we should all be grateful and recognise we over achieving.  This is the basis of excusing poor performances, poor tactics etc.  This sort of thinking is why some people e.g. think a club like forest is bigger than us even though they have been nowhere for 30 years.

 

There is others who think there is such a thing as social movement in football, we have seen a shift in recent years by some other clubs and it is possible to achieve a new better history.  Always room for improvement that sort of thing.

 

One side is not necessarily more right than the other, both are opinions.

Edited 7 December 2020 by Chrysalis

[Sol thewall Bamba]

It's not entitlement to want our hugely talented squad that's had multi million pounds of investment to play with pace and aggression. The results are largely inconsequential with no fans at the grounds but I hate this dull brand of football we're falling into. 

[The whole world smiles]

14 minutes ago, Fox85 said:

Ok as a much more crusty fan than you.

 

As a supporter of 35 years I do not tend to look back on the history as much as we are currently in present day.

 

Those that always dwell on the past will never move forward or achieve things and will always be happy with bog standard.

 

The team we have now is not just a contender in the premier league but a challenger for the top 6. So why not feel let down when the team plays shite.

 

I see your side of the argument but we are much more entitled to be where we are today due to the financial backing we have and players, stadium, new training facility etc.

I don't really look back either but our past experiences shape our perspective even without us realising.

 

But anyway you've focused in on the less important of my 3 points the main two being. We are miles behind the top 6 and Everton in terms of net spend and wage bill. But yet have competed with and finished above lots of them in Brendans 22 months. 

 

A new training ground, that we haven't moved into yet (is it today?) is not a magic passport to suddenly be entitled to be a top 6 clubs we are competing with global brands with income that absolutely dwafs ours. 

 

The reason we have been able to compete and in some cases win. Is with young players that are a little bit rough and aren't seen as being ready by the elite clubs. And these young players are naturally more inconsistent. If they played to the their potential every week we would be winning the league and champions league and that's not realistic given how far behind the other 6 or 7 finicially we are. 

 

James maddison spoke well on inconsistent patches at 2 mins 20 seconds of this video. 

 

[Bourbon Fox]

It's as if some people think football is a randomised lottery.

 

Given our position, squad, quality etc it is reasonable to expect a win on balance of probability against the team that's bottom with one point out of a possible 30.

 

That isn't entitlement, the league is literally an average of wins over time. We win more often than them. Not that football doesn't throw up some glory and ignominy along the way but it's reasonable to anticipate a win. 

 

In the same way, I don't EXPECT us to beat Liverpool on balance, although of course it's possible.

[surrifox]

27 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

I don't really look back either but our past experiences shape our perspective even without us realising.

 

But anyway you've focused in on the less important of my 3 points the main two being. We are miles behind the top 6 and Everton in terms of net spend and wage bill. But yet have competed with and finished above lots of them in Brendans 22 months. 

 

A new training ground, that we haven't moved into yet (is it today?) is not a magic passport to suddenly be entitled to be a top 6 clubs we are competing with global brands with income that absolutely dwafs ours. 

 

The reason we have been able to compete and in some cases win. Is with young players that are a little bit rough and aren't seen as being ready by the elite clubs. And these young players are naturally more inconsistent. If they played to the their potential every week we would be winning the league and champions league and that's not realistic given how far behind the other 6 or 7 finicially we are. 

 

James maddison spoke well on inconsistent patches at 2 mins 20 seconds of this video. 

 

JM came across v well in that interview ;

measured and thoughtful and dare I say quite likeable 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, surrifox said:

JM came across v well in that interview ;

measured and thoughtful and dare I say quite likeable 

[AKCJ]

I would say we're well into the entitled side of things.

 

I'm just as bad if not as worse as everyone else. We are fourth and are about to top our Europa League group with the majority of our best players missing.

[Captain...]

44 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

It's as if some people think football is a randomised lottery.

 

Given our position, squad, quality etc it is reasonable to expect a win on balance of probability against the team that's bottom with one point out of a possible 30.

 

That isn't entitlement, the league is literally an average of wins over time. We win more often than them. Not that football doesn't throw up some glory and ignominy along the way but it's reasonable to anticipate a win. 

 

In the same way, I don't EXPECT us to beat Liverpool on balance, although of course it's possible.

And some people think it is a game that follows a logical course and pattern. We see it time and time again, bottom sides beating top sides in the premier league. That is why we love football. It's not rugby or basketball where the better team who plays better on the day will always win.

 

You can lose a game of football despite being the better team on the day with the better players on the pitch. It happens a lot. It's a low scoring game that hangs on fine margins. 

[Captain...]

As for entitled vs realistic.

 

It is realistic to think we will beat to Sheffield United, they are having a shocking season and we are a decent side challenging for European spots.

 

It is entitled to be a pissy little **** and throw your toys out the pram when we do beat them because we didn't do it in the way you wanted.

[Wolfox]

20 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

 

Trying to be neutral on the radio when Kelly, Levein and Holloway were stinking the place out.

 

 

 

Missing anyone off that list @UpTheLeagueFox? 

Edited 7 December 2020 by Wolfox

[urban fox]

Of course i am always disappointed when when we lose but thats football. Sometimes you can dominate a game, come up against a keeper having the game of his life (villa semi last year) and then get caught out by a last minute breakaway. It can of course happen the other way round too.

In any game both teams will have periods of possession/pressure but what irks me during the match threads is when the other team have periods with the upper hand, we are suddenly sh*t, the manager has the tactics all wrong and we should sell {insert player/scapegoat of your choice} who is simply not good enough.

OK, if someone makes a mistake so be it, footballers (and managers) are human after all, but the over reaction on here sometimes is embarrassing. Yes its annoying, especially if we have been the better side and an individual error loses us points, but it is not a hanging offence, nor should it be an excuse for some of the personal abuse that gets posted.

Against Sheff Utd, we did actually play some good stuff, hit the post twice, and should have been playing against ten men, but second half they made it more difficult for us. We kept plugging away and eventually got the breakthrough . If that goal had come say 15/20 minutes earlier and then we had simply shut up shop, kept possession and played the game out would there have been so many complaints?  Expecting to go out every game, spanking sides, keeping clean sheets with nobody putting a foot wrong is unrealistic and entitled, this is the premier league, there are no easy games. Don't get me wrong, if someone is having a shocker, they are not immune from criticism, and certainly there are things that we need to improve on, such as our set pieces (both JM and JV said this post match) but a little balance occasionally please. Constructive criticism is not simply calling people crap.

[M0901]

Opinions about the teams performances is usually fine, as there are instances we are god awful (Fulham) but equally brilliant (Man City), I just think it’s a step too far when players are attacked personally.

 

I saw one post about Maddison a week or so ago that was homophobic, probably should’ve reported it looking back, but it surprised me. Even more so when it’s players like Fuchs and Albrighton who are Leicester legends.

 

It’s easy to get frustrated but as long as it’s constructive and not “he’s shit get him out my club” then it’s fine. There needs to be method to what a poster says, and not simply “Brendans ego is a problem”, when there is nothing to back that up.

[twister]

I don't think its entitled in that nobody expects to win anything at a club like Leicester

 

But with the players now in the 25 you can only judge by those available and this is a top class group so standards will be judged more harshley.

 

This is hardly a sheffield united budget squard.

 

 

Edited 7 December 2020 by twister

[adejo92]

I think the big difference is that a lot of people don't mind losing so long as you lose to the better team in a dignified way.

 

The frustrating thing about Leicester is the way we lose and most of the time, recently, thats down to how BR sets us up.

 

 

[mozartfox]

I was listening to TalkShite this morning and Laura 'Gunnersaurus' Woods and Aly McCoist were blowing smoke up Liverpool's ar*e stating what a fantastic job 'grumpy' Jurgen has done without his first choice defense.

 

Now in reality, BR has taken us to fourth in the table and top of our EL Group despite an equally serious injury list.  

 

All real supporters of this Club are well aware they often break your heart, but on occasions they make you feel the happiest you have ever been.  This is Leicester City and this will never change.

 

Sometimes we all need to take a rain check and realize what great Club this is and where we have come from.   Our wonderful Owners have turned this Club in to a top half table Team  after years of being a Yo-Yo Club.  Anything else achieved in excess of this position, is a fantastic bonus.  We are moving towards finishing top 6 on a regular basis, but there is still work to be done.  

 

Negativity from Fans will never improve things.

 

[Guest SO1]

51 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

I was listening to TalkShite this morning and Laura 'Gunnersaurus' Woods and Aly McCoist were blowing smoke up Liverpool's ar*e stating what a fantastic job 'grumpy' Jurgen has done without his first choice defense.

 

Now in reality, BR has taken us to fourth in the table and top of our EL Group despite an equally serious injury list.  

 

All real supporters of this Club are well aware they often break your heart, but on occasions they make you feel the happiest you have ever been.  This is Leicester City and this will never change.

 

Sometimes we all need to take a rain check and realize what great Club this is and where we have come from.   Our wonderful Owners have turned this Club in to a top half table Team  after years of being a Yo-Yo Club.  Anything else achieved in excess of this position, is a fantastic bonus.  We are moving towards finishing top 6 on a regular basis, but there is still work to be done.  

 

Negativity from Fans will never improve things.

 

The good feelings you got from writing that are the same reasons I'm still here (on the forum). Nothing good comes without contrast. Negativity/Contrast will always exist. I just have to remember not to make others problems my problems.

[JonnyBoy]

I get your point, but can you see where people may be frustrated when we put 5 past man city at the Etihad - only time Pep has ever conceded that many goals. Then lose to Fullham 2-0 at home ? i completely understand the frustration. 

Edited 7 December 2020 by JonnyBoy

[Steven]

"There is no path to happiness: happiness is the path" — Gautama Buddha, alive around 500 BC. Similar the mantra that the journey is the destination, the Buddha's take on happiness puts the greatest emphasis on people finding fulfillment in the experience of living, rather than arriving.

 

 

[Corky]

When time passes and he's gone, should we continue this general level of performance, we'll forget these individual games and look on his reign as a whole. O'Neill and Pearson are very popular yet had some awful individual results and they are mainly forgotten/ brushed aside.

 

Should we continue to be a consistent team, maybe win a trophy and do well in Europe, Rodgers will be fondly remembered. Especially if we can be part of it again.

 

Things always seem different when you are living in the moment.

[Spiritwalker]

14 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I feel we are becoming Arsenal mk 2. We have a bunch of plastics who have jumped on the band wagon who are not happy with top six & final 32. The pre -game predictions for this game were horrendous.

Just because people disagree with the team selection doesn’t mean they are not happy with being top six or that

they are plastics who have jumped on the bandwagon.

[SpacedX]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

"There is no path to happiness: happiness is the path" — Gautama Buddha, alive around 500 BC. Similar the mantra that the journey is the destination, the Buddha's take on happiness puts the greatest emphasis on people finding fulfillment in the experience of living, rather than arriving.

 

 

We should echo this wisdom by installing mandalas in the dressing ro..

 

Oh.

[Steven]

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

We should echo this wisdom by installing mandalas in the dressing ro..

 

Oh.

I have been on a fantastic journey following Leicester City for the last 47 years, man and boy. My journey didn't stop when we were the old Division one, in the Premier League, winning League Cups, being in Europe, being in the old League Two, winning the Premier League, being in the Champions League. The journey will take me along for as long as I have life, for as I try to find fulfillment in the experience of living so should I find fulfillment in the experience of being on the journey that is being a Leicester City fan.

 

Having expectations, good or bad, detracts from the journey and so detracts from having a fulfilling experience as a Leicester City fan.