A Serious Point

[Alan Frost]

The league is getting tight packed at the top. Now no doubt Stadt will have the stats. but I reckon a team with Fofana, Evans and Cags in it should be picking up at least a goal every 2 matches minimum from corners. Even one every three matches would make quite a difference. We can't afford to keep this at a joke level. Those 3 are all good defensive headers of the ball where keeping the neck stiff is OK. No one seems to be telling them that an attacking header is a totally different animal involving more forehead, and neck flexing and direction with the ball ,often horizontal or downwards. They don't call it nodding it in for nothing. Surely this is n't rocket science and a few  hours coaching at converting corners for these guys must pay dividends. It would n't hurt for Barnes to join in either (converting, not sending them over. ). Look at the attempt by Nacho in the Palace match .That's a defensive header. result over the bar. As one observant poster observed it was n't that  easy a chance but Nacho's attempt made it impossible . Lack of technique.

 

To my mind JV and Youri should be behind these big guys and they should also be practicing downward headers to Jamie and Youri. If Andy Carroll managed a volley on target then I'm sure our two can. Its still a goal from a corner and often an alternative header giving Jamie or Youri a shot is a better option when you're going up with another big guy, a defender, between the target and you. I don't think JV and Youri  would mind how an opportunity for a shot came to them. I suspect that this sort of header is less of a threat to the brain than the looping clearance defensive header taken higher on the forehead/front of head as an added bonus. This would mean that JV and Youri would n't be joining the rush towards goal but would move back a bit when the ball is kicked , clearing the box for the 3 big guys to run on to the ball (important with an attacking header) and also becoming the first line of defence should they break out quickly ,always a risk.. With say Wilf ,Justin, etc further back I don't think the opposition would  break out quickly often while the bigger  guys jogged back.

 

Not only that the guys sending the practice corners in Madison, Castagne maybe,Under, would be getting a lot of extra practise at taking corners, and please not all from the same distance either, grounds vary. Good for their morale too to find one or two converted instead of zero at the moment.

 

This might be a load of crap, but we're not even managing serious attempts at goals from corners at the moment. Now Brendan and the coaches are n't going to read my crap but someone on this forum must have the ear of the coaches to at least find out whats going on. I'm fed up with groaning when we get a corner. Trying to get a bet on for Leicesters next headed goal is impossible , even bookmakers are n't that heartless. Who knows these techniques with a bit of modification should be useful at free kicks where I also don't think we're as good as we should be. There's plenty of time to get this going before Stoke and apologies if its already happening. What do I know ?

Edited 5 January 2021 by Alan Frost
Added nodding in bit

[Fightforever]

The problem is we don't attack the ball on set pieces we just wait for it to hit us.

[Cincinnati Fox]

Get matty Elliot in to coach the big lad how to attack a ball into the box 

[Alan Frost]

1 minute ago, Peckfortonfox said:

Get matty Elliot in to coach the big lad how to attack a ball into the box 

Any good attacking header would be better than me. Dennis Law ,Dixie Dean,Matty Elliott, Frank Worthington, Derek Dougan.anyone you don't have to dig up. I think even Andy Carroll could do it at one time. Not Alan Shearer though, we've got VAR now.

[LVFox]

It's been noticable that after rightly getting pelters for his corner taking, Maddison has put consistently but really good deliveries in over the last 2 or 3 games. The amount have times they have sailed through in between the 6 yard box and penalty spot is infuriating!

 

Little Wes looks like when it clicks he will be a real threat, he has a great leap. 

[TJB-fox]

Stopped reading when you said we should be scoring a goal every 2 matches from corners minimum. 

[Alan Frost]

Just now, TJB-fox said:

Stopped reading when you said we should be scoring a goal every 2 matches from corners minimum. 

Seems to me Denis Law scored a header against us every time we played 'em, A guy half that good would be a hell of an improvement. Old guys used to tell me Dixie Dean was even better. Nat Lofthouse was n't too dusty either. I'm only asking initially that we start threatening from corners, as a start. We can work up to 1 a match later.

[coolhandfox]

Last year we scored seven from set pieces.

 

When you consider that includes direct free kicks as well, It not really a strong point of ours. When in you consider we are a not a massive side and our CBs following goal records in there careers its not surprising.

 

Evans        427 games 18 goals

Soyuncu    149 games 4 goals

Fofana      47 games 2 goals 

 

[bmt]

Evans and soyuncu are atrocious at attacking corners 

[coolhandfox]

Just now, bmt said:

Evans and soyuncu are atrocious at attacking corners 

Agree they are probably good for about a goal each a season.

[Free Falling Foxes]

Looking on the bright side, very few, if any, of our players will get dementia from heading a ball too often.

[Nalis]

Heading aside, I dont think we react that quickly to second balls in a busy penalty area.

[HybridFox]

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Edited 5 January 2021 by TK95

[dayday]

I used to recall Walshie, Elliot and Taggart making runs from outside or just inside the box to attack corners, it was very good ploy as we wasn’t static, Arsenal 3-3 was perfect example,when Walshie equalised.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

31 minutes ago, TJB-fox said:

Stopped reading when you said we should be scoring a goal every 2 matches from corners minimum. 

19 goals a season from corners

[Free Falling Foxes]

I jokingly asked in a recent match thread if anyone goes toilet or puts the kettle on when we get a corner. Well, I actually did go and do the latter during the Newcastle match.

It seems an absolute age since we scored a goal from a corner.

Is it that long ago?

[winteriscoming]

We don’t score that many headers from open play. This season I can only remember Vardy vs Arsenal. Last season I can only remember Evans from a corner  vs villa away. I don’t think overall were a physical side to score many headers. Our play isn’t about getting crosses in and scoring headers. It’s build up play, realising Vardy and working good positions around the box. Can’t complain to much we’re a point off the top. 

[Leeds Fox]

47 minutes ago, Alan Frost said:

The league is getting tight packed at the top. Now no doubt Stadt will have the stats. but I reckon a team with Fofana, Evans and Cags in it should be picking up at least a goal every 2 matches minimum from corners. Even one every three matches would make quite a difference. We can't afford to keep this at a joke level. Those 3 are all good defensive headers of the ball where keeping the neck stiff is OK. No one seems to be telling them that an attacking header is a totally different animal involving more forehead, and neck flexing and direction with the ball ,often horizontal or downwards. They don't call it nodding it in for nothing. Surely this is n't rocket science and a few  hours coaching at converting corners for these guys must pay dividends. It would n't hurt for Barnes to join in either (converting, not sending them over. ). Look at the attempt by Nacho in the Palace match .That's a defensive header. result over the bar. As one observant poster observed it was n't that  easy a chance but Nacho's attempt made it impossible . Lack of technique.

 

To my mind JV and Youri should be behind these big guys and they should also be practicing downward headers to Jamie and Youri. If Andy Carroll managed a volley on target then I'm sure our two can. Its still a goal from a corner and often an alternative header giving Jamie or Youri a shot is a better option when you're going up with another big guy, a defender, between the target and you. I don't think JV and Youri  would mind how an opportunity for a shot came to them. I suspect that this sort of header is less of a threat to the brain than the looping clearance defensive header taken higher on the forehead/front of head as an added bonus. This would mean that JV and Youri would n't be joining the rush towards goal but would move back a bit when the ball is kicked , clearing the box for the 3 big guys to run on to the ball (important with an attacking header) and also becoming the first line of defence should they break out quickly ,always a risk.. With say Wilf ,Justin, etc further back I don't think the opposition would  break out quickly often while the bigger  guys jogged back.

 

Not only that the guys sending the practice corners in Madison, Castagne maybe,Under, would be getting a lot of extra practise at taking corners, and please not all from the same distance either, grounds vary. Good for their morale too to find one or two converted instead of zero at the moment.

 

This might be a load of crap, but we're not even managing serious attempts at goals from corners at the moment. Now Brendan and the coaches are n't going to read my crap but someone on this forum must have the ear of the coaches to at least find out whats going on. I'm fed up with groaning when we get a corner. Trying to get a bet on for Leicesters next headed goal is impossible , even bookmakers are n't that heartless. Who knows these techniques with a bit of modification should be useful at free kicks where I also don't think we're as good as we should be. There's plenty of time to get this going before Stoke and apologies if its already happening. What do I know ?

I don’t think the art of heading will have been ignored by our coaching staff. Defensive heading is completely different to attacking (as you said), but you’re generally up against a striker which makes it easier. You don’t require great accuracy to head a ball clear. The set up is completely different. 
 

When they’re attacking a corner, they’re likely to be marked by another centre half, who only needs to get a head on the ball in any direction, or do enough to stop a clear header on goal. That’s before you factor in the goalkeeper and the delivery. 
 

I think you’ve picked a point here, and tried to make it sound a lot more simple than it is. 
 

I know it’s not the same level at all (but still a decent level) but I play centre half (6ft3, decent in the air) and I despise going up for corners. It’s bread and butter for the defending keeper/centre halves 9/10 times. 

[OadbyBlue]

I feel (hope) fofana will get one soon, Maddison’s delivery against Newcastle was much improved and also having Under as an option who can whip in a set piece aswell.

[sacreblueits442]

2 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

I don’t think the art of heading will have been ignored by our coaching staff. Defensive heading is completely different to attacking (as you said), but you’re generally up against a striker which makes it easier. You don’t require great accuracy to head a ball clear. The set up is completely different. 
 

When they’re attacking a corner, they’re likely to be marked by another centre half, who only needs to get a head on the ball in any direction, or do enough to stop a clear header on goal. That’s before you factor in the goalkeeper and the delivery. 
 

I think you’ve picked a point here, and tried to make it sound a lot more simple than it is. 
 

I know it’s not the same level at all (but still a decent level) but I play centre half (6ft3, decent in the air) and I despise going up for corners. It’s bread and butter for the defending keeper/centre halves 9/10 times. 

.....perhaps you may be doing something wrong!!!

You watch games and attackers at a corner take up the same position over and over. There seems to be no thought which goes into being up for corners as your comment shows you have already written off the prospect of scoring before the kick is even taken.

  If you could take a look at Arsenal, with Adams,Keown and Bould they came up with inventive patterns in order to confuse the opposition. I would suspect not a great deal of attention is paid to this part of our game and in a recent topic on set pieces, it was found that the club never practised that particular area of play. The NFL have a Special Teams squad, we need to either include additional attention to set pieces in our existing Coaches repertoire or bring in specialised people to work on this aspect of our play.

  Size to a great extent does not come into this as their are tall players who are unable to elevate themselves to any great degree. A player say 5' 10" can still be deadly with crosses whipped in from open play, without the need to leave the ground. All down to movement and quickness of thought.

[zealot]

Madds has definitely improved this and the corners versus Newcastle were very good, on the pen spot or 6-yard box or thereabouts and right where you want them. 

As other posters have said I feel sure the Foff will get a few headers from corners if that service continues.

Soyuncu we already know can be a threat from corners too so things are looking up.

Evans might as well stay back defending at corners bless him...



 

[Leicester_Loyal]

I know our CBs aren't there to score goals but they really don't score enough. These games where we're under the cosh or just can't find a way through by playing our normal football, a set piece goal could be enough to be the difference. Numerous times after the lockdown during the run in Cags and Evans missed chances from set pieces, probably one every game. I remember us having free headers and they were still not hitting the target, really needs to improve.

 

The first step in to make sure the delivery is good from the corner, it has been poor quite a bit in recent times, but when it has been good we've just wasted the chances created.

 

When was the last time we scored from a corner? Last one I remember was Cags against Palace, that was over a year ago.

[Gazza3]

Away in Greece . Choudhury.

[David Hankey]

1 hour ago, Alan Frost said:

The league is getting tight packed at the top. Now no doubt Stadt will have the stats. but I reckon a team with Fofana, Evans and Cags in it should be picking up at least a goal every 2 matches minimum from corners. Even one every three matches would make quite a difference. We can't afford to keep this at a joke level. Those 3 are all good defensive headers of the ball where keeping the neck stiff is OK. No one seems to be telling them that an attacking header is a totally different animal involving more forehead, and neck flexing and direction with the ball ,often horizontal or downwards. They don't call it nodding it in for nothing. Surely this is n't rocket science and a few  hours coaching at converting corners for these guys must pay dividends. It would n't hurt for Barnes to join in either (converting, not sending them over. ). Look at the attempt by Nacho in the Palace match .That's a defensive header. result over the bar. As one observant poster observed it was n't that  easy a chance but Nacho's attempt made it impossible . Lack of technique.

 

To my mind JV and Youri should be behind these big guys and they should also be practicing downward headers to Jamie and Youri. If Andy Carroll managed a volley on target then I'm sure our two can. Its still a goal from a corner and often an alternative header giving Jamie or Youri a shot is a better option when you're going up with another big guy, a defender, between the target and you. I don't think JV and Youri  would mind how an opportunity for a shot came to them. I suspect that this sort of header is less of a threat to the brain than the looping clearance defensive header taken higher on the forehead/front of head as an added bonus. This would mean that JV and Youri would n't be joining the rush towards goal but would move back a bit when the ball is kicked , clearing the box for the 3 big guys to run on to the ball (important with an attacking header) and also becoming the first line of defence should they break out quickly ,always a risk.. With say Wilf ,Justin, etc further back I don't think the opposition would  break out quickly often while the bigger  guys jogged back.

 

Not only that the guys sending the practice corners in Madison, Castagne maybe,Under, would be getting a lot of extra practise at taking corners, and please not all from the same distance either, grounds vary. Good for their morale too to find one or two converted instead of zero at the moment.

 

This might be a load of crap, but we're not even managing serious attempts at goals from corners at the moment. Now Brendan and the coaches are n't going to read my crap but someone on this forum must have the ear of the coaches to at least find out whats going on. I'm fed up with groaning when we get a corner. Trying to get a bet on for Leicesters next headed goal is impossible , even bookmakers are n't that heartless. Who knows these techniques with a bit of modification should be useful at free kicks where I also don't think we're as good as we should be. There's plenty of time to get this going before Stoke and apologies if its already happening. What do I know ?

You've answered in your very last sentence.

[Alan Frost]

8 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

I know our CBs aren't there to score goals but they really don't score enough. These games where we're under the cosh or just can't find a way through by playing our normal football, a set piece goal could be enough to be the difference. Numerous times after the lockdown during the run in Cags and Evans missed chances from set pieces, probably one every game. I remember us having free headers and they were still not hitting the target, really needs to improve.

 

The first step in to make sure the delivery is good from the corner, it has been poor quite a bit in recent times, but when it has been good we've just wasted the chances created.

 

When was the last time we scored from a corner? Last one I remember was Cags against Palace, that was over a year ago.