The Royal Family

[tom27111]

"The Duke of Cambridge has said the royals are "very much not a racist family" in his first comments after accusations by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in a TV interview."

 

To be honest, that's exactly what I'd expect someone from a racist family to say 

[Tommy G]

25 minutes ago, hejammy said:

I highly doubt the Journalist was thinking William would say yes, it's asked to get a reaction, to provoke a discussion, or to make them think about a reaction. It's like when a football journalist asks a manager who lost 5-0 "well that wasn't a great result for you how do you feel about it"? Hardly a reason for a journalist to be sacked?! 

What a horrible question though and position to put him in? Racism is a disgusting thing to be accused of, comparing it to a football Journo asking a manager to be sacked after a defeat is laughable 

[Voll Blau]

35 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Just seen the reporter asking William a dumb question about whether the royal family is racist? I mean whats he going to say, yes we are? Stupid question and a stupid position to put William in. Hope he's sacked.

It's a very serious allegaation that's been levelled at the Royal Family only a few days ago and the journalist's giving them right of reply. William was happy enough to answer it so what's the problem?

[Buce]

35 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Just seen the reporter asking William a dumb question about whether the royal family is racist? I mean whats he going to say, yes we are? Stupid question and a stupid position to put William in. Hope he's sacked.

 

So do most republicans but he'll be there like an unflushed turd once Charles is dead.

[fuchsntf]

I liked Errol Flynn as Robin Hood....Roger Moore as Ivanhoe..Richard Greene as Robin Hood, Robert Taylor as Launcelot in Knight of the round table

Monty Pythons..Holy Grail with the Black knight

Oh & Tommy Cooper, when he came on in shining Armour at the end of his programme....and said  " Good Knight",

 

Thats about my total interest in Any Royal lineage....

[hejammy]

4 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

What a horrible question though and position to put him in? Racism is a disgusting thing to be accused of, comparing it to a football Journo asking a manager to be sacked after a defeat is laughable 

Infact, what is laughable is to think that certain parts of the Royal Family are not racist? Prince Philip for example has had numerous occasions where he has been outspoken and racist? Prince Harry with his previous antics and he also more or less said it was in the interview. The question was "Is the Royal Family a racist family?" NOT "Are you a racist"? - it's not a horrible question if there is evidence to suggest that they are? Are you saying if Prince Andrew was asked " Are you involved with paedophiles" it would be a horrible question? Or one that should be asked? The comparison was purely for your benefit when said that the Journo should be sacked.

[rico]

Was sent this today 

 

 

[dsr-burnley]

This continued equation of Prince Andrew with paedophiles - is this because they consider he is as evil as the man who rapres a 6 year old, or are they just using a deadly serious name for a relatively trivial crime simply because they don't like him (or the royals in general)?

 

The thing is, he is accused of sleeping with a 17 year old girl.  And I can't work out of the vast moral outrage is because it is always evil, wherever you are in the world, to sleep with a 17 year old - which would leave plenty of people in this country looking over their shoulders - or if it is always evil, anywhere in the world, to commit sexual offences against the laws of the country you are in - which is a major problem when it comes to Saudi Arabia and similar countries.  

[String fellow]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

So do most republicans but he'll be there like an unflushed turd once Charles is dead.

I read the 'hope he's sacked' line as referring to the journalist, not to Prince William, who btw is not as you described.

[Scotch]

8 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

This continued equation of Prince Andrew with paedophiles - is this because they consider he is as evil as the man who rapres a 6 year old, or are they just using a deadly serious name for a relatively trivial crime simply because they don't like him (or the royals in general)?

 

The thing is, he is accused of sleeping with a 17 year old girl.  And I can't work out of the vast moral outrage is because it is always evil, wherever you are in the world, to sleep with a 17 year old - which would leave plenty of people in this country looking over their shoulders - or if it is always evil, anywhere in the world, to commit sexual offences against the laws of the country you are in - which is a major problem when it comes to Saudi Arabia and similar countries.  

Yes  she was 17 which is technically legal but let's not forget that this young girl was groomed for quite some time before that. It morally reprehensible. 

 

Also we have to consider just how long PA was friends with convicted sex offender, Epstein (a friendship he maintained after his conviction) yet we are supposed to believe that this happened only once? Of the many parties and events Andrew attended in his home? A home known for hosting underage sex parties? One time and that was him caught? 

 

C'mon mate, its not even about disliking the Royals its common fvcking sense....

[twister]

1 hour ago, tom27111 said:

"The Duke of Cambridge has said the royals are "very much not a racist family" in his first comments after accusations by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in a TV interview."

 

To be honest, that's exactly what I'd expect someone from a racist family to say 

What did you think he say ''yeah geezer we're racist''. This is a witch hunt and its not wonder he is not speaking to his brother, way to much water under the bridge now.

[dsr-burnley]

55 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

Yes  she was 17 which is technically legal

Not in America, I believe.  The age of consent is 18 - that's why they want him back, isn't it?

 

He may be guilty of all sorts.  But rattling on about paedophilia, which this probably isn't, just blurs the issue.

[Carl the Llama]

5 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

This continued equation of Prince Andrew with paedophiles - is this because they consider he is as evil as the man who rapres a 6 year old, or are they just using a deadly serious name for a relatively trivial crime simply because they don't like him (or the royals in general)?

 

The thing is, he is accused of sleeping with a 17 year old girl.  And I can't work out of the vast moral outrage is because it is always evil, wherever you are in the world, to sleep with a 17 year old - which would leave plenty of people in this country looking over their shoulders - or if it is always evil, anywhere in the world, to commit sexual offences against the laws of the country you are in - which is a major problem when it comes to Saudi Arabia and similar countries.  

Obviously it's not the same as molesting a toddler but the legal age of adulthood is 18 in this country, a 17 year old is still a minor ya nonce.

 

Also: 

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It is an offence for a person aged 18 or over to have any sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 if the older person holds a position of trust (for example a teacher or social worker) as such sexual activity is an abuse of the position of trust

A member of the nation's royal family many years the girl's senior, if that's not a position of trust idk what is.

 

Also we're talking about a man who was married with kids of his own at the time.

 

So maybe there's a definition somewhere which clears Mr Andrew of all wrongdoing vis-a-vis paedophilia, but there will always be a large number of people for whom his behaviour is still tantamount to it.  I'll call him a sweatless paedo all day long.

Edited 11 March 2021 by Carl the Llama

[Dunge]

The royal family has a big problem with Prince Andrew. As Carl says above, more than the age thing, it’s a position of trust issue.

 

Incidentally, regarding Epstein’s behaviour, I think it’s exactly the kind of thing someone like that would do to ingratiate himself with the rich and the powerful, and then get something on them in an “if you take me down, I’m taking you with me” way. I’m doubtful that Andrew was part of some “paedophile ring”, but whatever’s happened he’s done something very stupid. And trying to squirm his way out of that photo was ridiculous.

 

He should absolutely be complying with the FBI on the matter. I can’t help but feel it’d be a good exchange for the woman who killed that boy outside a military base by driving on the wrong side of the road but has been granted some sort of diplomatic immunity.

[StanSP]

5 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

This continued equation of Prince Andrew with paedophiles - is this because they consider he is as evil as the man who rapres a 6 year old, or are they just using a deadly serious name for a relatively trivial crime simply because they don't like him (or the royals in general)?

 

The thing is, he is accused of sleeping with a 17 year old girl.  And I can't work out of the vast moral outrage is because it is always evil, wherever you are in the world, to sleep with a 17 year old - which would leave plenty of people in this country looking over their shoulders - or if it is always evil, anywhere in the world, to commit sexual offences against the laws of the country you are in - which is a major problem when it comes to Saudi Arabia and similar countries.  

What are you stating is a 'relatively trivial crime' just out of interest?

[Koke]

American conservative would rather support the British monarchy, an institution that goes against American values, rather than one of their own, a red blooded American woman. I believe its because they dislike black people and liberals in equal measure so a black liberal woman is the devil to them. American conservatives are a strange bunch.

[Blue-fox]

23 minutes ago, Koke said:

American conservative would rather support the British monarchy, an institution that goes against American values, rather than one of their own, a red blooded American woman. I believe its because they dislike black people and liberals in equal measure so a black liberal woman is the devil to them. American conservatives are a strange bunch.

I read today that a conservative American thought that Meghan Markle was lying etc, and she happened to be a black woman so I don’t think it’s to do with race. Just how individuals view it. I think her name was Candace something

[Mike Oxlong]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

Obviously it's not the same as molesting a toddler but the legal age of adulthood is 18 in this country, a 17 year old is still a minor ya nonce.

 

 

I was going to google this to check it’s accuracy but then realised that i didn’t want “ can you legally have sex with a seventeen year old” in my search history 

[Bamboo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjQznXdUl4w

 

What do people make of Nigel Farage’ take on this? 

Edited 11 March 2021 by Bamboo

[Carl the Llama]

3 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

I was going to google this to check it’s accuracy but then realised that i didn’t want “ can you legally have sex with a seventeen year old” in my search history 

Very fair, I don't want anybody looking through my search history any time soon after the fact checking I did before posting that  

[Mike Oxlong]

2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Very fair, I don't want anybody looking through my search history any time soon after the fact checking I did before posting that  

I actually googled age of consent and think you may be mistaken save for relationships governed by a situation of trust 

[BoyJones]

23 hours ago, Foxy_Bear said:

I don't disagree with your views on profiling someone's opinion based on any of those thing but to answer your question...

 

It is not uncommon for old white men in this country to hold particularly outdated opinions on subjects like race, immigration, sexuality and gender. 

Not only that but they are usually excused for said opinion based on being "from a different era"

I cannot believe the turn this thread has taken attacking old white men who supposedly have failing minds and bodies and can’t empathise with so called minority groups. We also don’t care about the future of the country, many having voted leave in 2016.

 

I’m 70 next year and consider myself in sound mind and body. I am able to follow the news and how society is evolving without somebody to read me the papers. I have 10 grand children aged 2-11 and did indeed vote leave. This is because I felt the EU was asset stripping the country and once we had lost our armed forces (scheduled for 2030 if you read the various papers produced by Brussels), forced into the euro and had to open our borders, I honestly could not see any future for the UK. Opportunities would get less and less whilst the EU eroded our economy and the British way of life. I am not ashamed to say I am proud to be British. 

 

Like many people my age and older, I do empathise with the struggles of minority groups and 100% agree all forms of discrimination should be things of the past. This will take time, but I believe progress is being made. It doesn’t help when many minority groups and the younger generation constantly snipe at us oldies. I reckon we have more empathy for your age group than you do for us, especially going my the condescending and disparaging comments.
 

Turning to the Royal Family, I don’t think they are a nest of vipers and rotten to the core. Suppose I’m cosi cosi about them. They could help themselves more and be more open. However, the current situation has certainly put the cat among the pigeons and I believe we just have to wait for evidence to emerge. I don’t buy into the current thinking if that someone says something it’s automatically true. So easy to jump on the band wagon and say the Royal Family is racist, particularly when it’s what a lot of people want to be true. It suits their agenda. 
 

Anyway, I rarely comment on non football topics, but the general consensus that people my age and older are the problem is very annoying. Probably the wrong thread (is that the right word!), What grinds my gears? Also don’t forget many old white men and women have a young outlook on life, we are not pariahs, we still have a lot to offer. 

[bovril]

5 minutes ago, Bamboo said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjQznXdUl4w

 

What do people make of Nigel Farage’ take on this? 

Can you summarise what he said so I don't have to open the link and see Nigel Farage? 

[Bamboo]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

Can you summarise what he said so I don't have to open the link and see Nigel Farage? 

Of course I can sir. He is appalled with Prince Harry speaking out against the royal family, he doesn’t feel sorry for them and in addition, he wants their royal title’ to be revoked immediately. 
 

Also, his living room is bloody abhorrent. 
 

Oh and something about Oprah being ‘woke’ 

[enmac]

5 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

Not in America, I believe.  The age of consent is 18 - that's why they want him back, isn't it?

 

He may be guilty of all sorts.  But rattling on about paedophilia, which this probably isn't, just blurs the issue.

Isn’t it count as statutory rape in the US?