dmayne7 Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 2 hours ago, jerry said: Take the gloss of the F A Cup win because we can't gain extra revenue from entering a competition we are never going to win , says it all really about today's mindset. It does sadly. Which is why I wish the Champions League was for actual champions and not just best of the rest. But that's where we are. It's not just about money, it's the prestige and long term security and potential it gives to the football club. 1
ScrumpyJack Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 48 minutes ago, Nod.E said: Kane is too good for Spurs or Leicester. Sorry, where were you in 2013?
Popular Post UpTheLeagueFox Posted 19 May 2021 Popular Post Posted 19 May 2021 3 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Yes this Rodgers guy is crap, we have only picked up 128 points in the last two seasons, an FA Cup win, League Cup semi and last 32 of the EL and we have qualified back to back for European football for the first time in our history. Manchester City 164 Liverpool FC 162 Manchester United 137 Chelsea FC 133 Leicester City 128 Tottenham Hotspur 118 Arsenal FC 111 For reference we took 143 in the 3 seasons before, only 15 more then his managed in 2. Are last FA cup final was 52 years ago and our last League cup semi was 19 years before last season. When he took over we had lost 5 and drawn 1 of the last 6, under him we have never lost more then 2 league games on the bounce. Maybe I'm a glass half full sort of person. Great stats, @coolhandfox Shows the incredible development since BR came in. Fifth best team in England two years running AND an FA Cup win. Out pop the never-happy "Yeah, but" and "bottlers, chokers, failures" crew. Do we always want more than what we have? Yes, of course. Have we (and the manager) improved on last season? Yes, significantly. Should we try and enjoy 'the moment' a bit more? 100% yes. 9
The_77 Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 One side was motivated by losing the FA Cup, got right back to the training ground to prepare for yesterday’s game, has a payroll of nearly double that of its opponent and a 5-year net spend that’s nearly triple that of the opponent, and got to play at home in front of a crowd of its own supporters. One side was hungover having celebrated winning an FA Cup all weekend, has a payroll and net spend that are fractions of what its opponent spends, and had to play away in front of a crowd that was completely made up of home support. I don’t care what anyone wants to say about Rodgers, we were never winning that game. 1
Babylon Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 2 hours ago, Nod.E said: Kane is too good for Spurs or Leicester. He should be playing for the best team in any of Europe's top divisions. If Spurs were winning trophies, Kane would likely be happy and Spurs certainly wouldn't be laughed at for never winning anything. 2 hours ago, Nod.E said: I'm not saying that getting Champions League guarantees it the following year, and the year after that, and after that. However I fear bottling it two years running does not bode well for keeping our best players and recruiting those top of our list. We'll never know, but it could have a huge bearing on the future trajectory of our club. Doesn't matter if we have champions league football, players will still want to go. Kante left to join a team not even in Europe because over time the money wins out. Simple as that. We all love to think the players will buy into our project, but when Man U offers you £240k a week and as much chance of winning anything as us, let's get real. They are going. 2 hours ago, Nod.E said: Get into the Champions League this year and there's no reason we can't regularly compete for top 4 and achieve it maybe every other season. Okay so our budgets aren't quite the same as our competitors, but so what? We've demonstrated over the last 2 seasons that we can sit in the top 4 all season regardless. Conversely we won the FA cup and challenge for the top 4 without a champions money. But the reality is, as I said above, money wins out. At some point Arsenal will get a good manager, spend loads of money and get back there. Man C, Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool are already now competent enough to see us into 5th, as soon as they picked the right manager Chelsea took off. 1 1
deanolegend1989 Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 6 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: We've lost 11 games in the league this season. 14 I think in total if you include the EL and League Cup defeats. Of the 11 in the league, we deserved to lose each one. We were below par. However, we have also lost key players at each point of the season. I mean our left side and arguably our best side pre-injuries has been ripped out. We are competing with the truly elite of our league. Not Everton and West Ham or Leeds and Wolves but the actual big boys. Management is about getting the best out of your players, in as many games as possible. Yesterday result hurt but Newcastle at home and Saints away hurt far more. As did Fulham at home. However, I cant sit here and just say the large percentage of the responsibility lies with the manager. In turn, I cant blame the players. At the start of the season there were many who thought we would suffer with the extra EL games and at times, we have. The Arsenal defeat is the best example. We play them any other time, we beat them. I have no doubt. Has our manager got the best with the resources and the set backs this season - I cant see how anyone could say no. He's done a very good job. Does potentially missing out on the CL again hurt - of course it bloody does. However, we are here because of our players AND because of our manager. Lets see what happens today, let's see what happens on Sunday and let's go again next year. If a player or two leaves (whether we make CL or not) we just have to deal. Spot on. Exactly this in bold. Has he then do you think? Not a chance unfortunately. Like I said, we won the FA Cup so it gives him a bit of time but it doesn’t mean we can pretend that he’s failed to get over the line twice in a row in the league we compete in for 2 full seasons. Weve been in the top 4 for 2 full seasons and not qualified, it’s farcical to do that imo. I’ll always be thankful for winning the FA Cup but unlike most on here it seems, I’m more thankful to Youri and Kasper than Brendan. Arteta won the cup last season and he’s an awful manager. Winning the FA Cup might give him time but it doesn’t make him an elite manager, his negativity and poor in game management has cost us top 4 and you have to live or die on your decisions. The biggest importance in this summer is keeping Youri. I don’t think many people realise how important he is to us. All those people constantly writing ‘when Brendan came we had finished 9th/9th etc’ conveniently forget that Youris arrival happened around the same time. So our upturn is down to a world class player and not a decent manager, in my opinion and hopefully I won’t be proven right when Youri ****s off for us failing twice and us living to rue the consequences. 1
An Sionnach Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 2 hours ago, Babylon said: If Spurs were winning trophies, Kane would likely be happy and Spurs certainly wouldn't be laughed at for never winning anything. Doesn't matter if we have champions league football, players will still want to go. Kante left to join a team not even in Europe because over time the money wins out. Simple as that. We all love to think the players will buy into our project, but when Man U offers you £240k a week and as much chance of winning anything as us, let's get real. They are going. Conversely we won the FA cup and challenge for the top 4 without a champions money. But the reality is, as I said above, money wins out. At some point Arsenal will get a good manager, spend loads of money and get back there. Man C, Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool are already now competent enough to see us into 5th, as soon as they picked the right manager Chelsea took off. If Tuchell has done anything its getting the same players to work harder. They covered far more territory than us in both matches. Kanté about doubled Ndidi's yardage. It may not be crucial but it helps. 1
hackneyfox Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said: Spot on. Exactly this in bold. Has he then do you think? Not a chance unfortunately. Like I said, we won the FA Cup so it gives him a bit of time but it doesn’t mean we can pretend that he’s failed to get over the line twice in a row in the league we compete in for 2 full seasons. Weve been in the top 4 for 2 full seasons and not qualified, it’s farcical to do that imo. I’ll always be thankful for winning the FA Cup but unlike most on here it seems, I’m more thankful to Youri and Kasper than Brendan. Arteta won the cup last season and he’s an awful manager. Winning the FA Cup might give him time but it doesn’t make him an elite manager, his negativity and poor in game management has cost us top 4 and you have to live or die on your decisions. The biggest importance in this summer is keeping Youri. I don’t think many people realise how important he is to us. All those people constantly writing ‘when Brendan came we had finished 9th/9th etc’ conveniently forget that Youris arrival happened around the same time. So our upturn is down to a world class player and not a decent manager, in my opinion and hopefully I won’t be proven right when Youri ****s off for us failing twice and us living to rue the consequences. Thankfully most pundits, leicester fans and players disagree with you. You, of course, will assume that they're all in the wrong. Edited 19 May 2021 by hackneyfox 1
walkerleeds Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 I'd have taken finishing 10th and winning the FA cup this season personally.
hackneyfox Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: If Tuchell has done anything its getting the same players to work harder. They covered far more territory than us in both matches. Kanté about doubled Ndidi's yardage. It may not be crucial but it helps. Chelsea have had nothing like the injuries we've had this season, we've been running on fumes alone for some time now. Certain people seem unable to take that onboard in their rush to dig out players and manager. Edited 19 May 2021 by hackneyfox 1
Rigga Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 We wont be competing with the top 4 again after this season... imagine Kane - Chelsea haaland - Man Utd messi - Man City Eduoard - LCFC... we had our go at flirting with top 4... rollercoaster ride it was.. best we hope for is pushing for El regular as Spurs and Arsenal need rebuilds..
An Sionnach Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, hackneyfox said: Chelsea have had nothing like the injuries we've had this season, we've been running on fumes alone for some time now. Certain people seem unable to take that onboard in their rush to dig out players and manager. Ndidi did indeed look way below par. However if Rodgers had left him on the bench and played a much fresher Mendy , what would have been the reaction on here.This forum continually picks overworked players for its starting elevens. Next season we rotate and not because of injuries. Edited 19 May 2021 by An Sionnach 2
deanolegend1989 Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 7 minutes ago, Rigga said: We wont be competing with the top 4 again after this season... imagine Kane - Chelsea haaland - Man Utd messi - Man City Eduoard - LCFC... we had our go at flirting with top 4... rollercoaster ride it was.. best we hope for is pushing for El regular as Spurs and Arsenal need rebuilds.. Unfortunately I agree. However if we somehow manage to keep our key men, we do have a chance. Big summer ahead 🙏
hackneyfox Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Ndidi did indeed look way below par. However if Rodgers had left him on the bench and played a much fresher Mendy , what would have been the reaction on here.This forum continually picks overworked players for its starting elevens. Next season we rotate and not because of injuries. If mendy had played the 'the legend that is ....' would have had a coronary. 1
deanolegend1989 Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Ndidi did indeed looked way below par. However if Rodgers had left him on the bench and played a much fresher Mendy , what would have been the reaction on here.This forum continually picks overworked players for its starting elevens. Next season we rotate and not because of injuries. Wilf was tired because for about 2 months we’ve been playing 5 atb and 2 in the middle. Youri and Wilf have had so much work to do against teams picking passes around them and pressing them back, what do we expect? we’ve been screaming to go to a 433/4312 for months, yet someone can’t see what’s right in front of their face. 1
surrifox Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 11 minutes ago, Rigga said: We wont be competing with the top 4 again after this season... imagine Kane - Chelsea haaland - Man Utd messi - Man City Eduoard - LCFC... we had our go at flirting with top 4... rollercoaster ride it was.. best we hope for is pushing for El regular as Spurs and Arsenal need rebuilds.. What a load of cobblers
moore_94 Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said: Wilf was tired because for about 2 months we’ve been playing 5 atb and 2 in the middle. Youri and Wilf have had so much work to do against teams picking passes around them and pressing them back, what do we expect? we’ve been screaming to go to a 433/4312 for months, yet someone can’t see what’s right in front of their face. 433 with barely any wingers available or 4312 where we would STILL have to rely on the full backs for width which is the main issue we have with the 5 at the back system we play. Rodgers changes systems and starts shoe horning players out wide and he would still get moaned at Edited 19 May 2021 by moore_94 1
filbertway Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 33 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said: The biggest importance in this summer is keeping Youri. I don’t think many people realise how important he is to us. All those people constantly writing ‘when Brendan came we had finished 9th/9th etc’ conveniently forget that Youris arrival happened around the same time. So our upturn is down to a world class player and not a decent manager, in my opinion and hopefully I won’t be proven right when Youri ****s off for us failing twice and us living to rue the consequences. Bang on with this, I think we finish outside of the European positions this season without Youri. Him and Kel have bailed our Rodgers defensive footie time and time again the last 2/3 months. 1
Sir Shep Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 Are people actually slating Rogers? Good grief 🤦♂️ 3 1
LaCiudad Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 1 minute ago, Sir Shep said: Are people actually slating Rogers? Good grief 🤦♂️ Unbelievable isn't it! Think there are some serious mental health issues on display in this forum. 1
An Sionnach Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 6 minutes ago, hackneyfox said: If mendy had played the 'the legend that is ....' would have had a coronary. Maybe , but no point in flogging a knackered horse. Wilf and Jamie are perfect examples of players who have been pushed over the limit. Rodgers should trust his squad players when his main men need resting. 1
deep blue Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 10 hours ago, Manini said: The attitude towards him is just weird. He could win multiple trophies here and you’d still get some “yer da” weirdos coming on here saying “we’ll he’s decent but he’ll never be an elite manager because xyz”. Cold hard facts are Brendan Rodgers wins things. And that’s the sort of behaviour I can get behind. Not last night, he didn't.
deanolegend1989 Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 3 minutes ago, hackneyfox said: If mendy had played the 'the legend that is ....' would have had a coronary. Yeah I would because Wilf has been sensational this year. Wilf and Youri have been absolutely unbelievable and probably the detriment to their own abilities by then Rodgers expecting them to compete in 2 vs 3s nearly every week whilst we have 5atb. Wilf and Youri will be attracting vultures this summer, make no mistake about that. 2 minutes ago, moore_94 said: 433 with barely any wingers available or 4312 where we would STILL have to rely on the full backs for width which is the main issue we have with the 5 at the back system we play. 4312 with Castange in his CORRECT position, Madders in his CORRECT position. Vardy And Nacho both getting support. Youri and Wilf having less work to do with an extra body and our back line not getting relentless pressure on every game. We don’t need width as much as we need to get Youri more time on the ball and Wilf 1 vs 1 rather than being played about by 2 v 1s all the bloody time! Mount Kovacic and Jorginho all game expecting Youri and Wilf to control the game? It’s shocking shocking tactics. Praet in there stifles it more and gets us more control in the game. Whats the point of having width when the options are Madders who anyone can see since he’s arrived here, is a fish up a tree in a wide role and should be in the number 10. Vardy has been icolated terribly and he’s not a spring chicken who can bail us out like he could in yesteryear. The formation is the biggest problem and the reason we’ve looked toilet since Aston Villa away. 1
4everfox Posted 19 May 2021 Posted 19 May 2021 19 minutes ago, Rigga said: We wont be competing with the top 4 again after this season... imagine Kane - Chelsea haaland - Man Utd messi - Man City Eduoard - LCFC... we had our go at flirting with top 4... rollercoaster ride it was.. best we hope for is pushing for El regular as Spurs and Arsenal need rebuilds.. We can still finish in the top four this season! Liverpool MUST beat Burnley and Crystal Palace, and Chelsea MUST beat Aston Villa. If they don't and we beat Spurs, we're in. Got a feeling Villa might be able to do us a favour in front of their fans.
Popular Post Mickyblueeyes Posted 19 May 2021 Popular Post Posted 19 May 2021 38 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said: Spot on. Exactly this in bold. Has he then do you think? Not a chance unfortunately. Like I said, we won the FA Cup so it gives him a bit of time but it doesn’t mean we can pretend that he’s failed to get over the line twice in a row in the league we compete in for 2 full seasons. Weve been in the top 4 for 2 full seasons and not qualified, it’s farcical to do that imo. I’ll always be thankful for winning the FA Cup but unlike most on here it seems, I’m more thankful to Youri and Kasper than Brendan. Arteta won the cup last season and he’s an awful manager. Winning the FA Cup might give him time but it doesn’t make him an elite manager, his negativity and poor in game management has cost us top 4 and you have to live or die on your decisions. The biggest importance in this summer is keeping Youri. I don’t think many people realise how important he is to us. All those people constantly writing ‘when Brendan came we had finished 9th/9th etc’ conveniently forget that Youris arrival happened around the same time. So our upturn is down to a world class player and not a decent manager, in my opinion and hopefully I won’t be proven right when Youri ****s off for us failing twice and us living to rue the consequences. So to summarise, you want to sack the manager who has achieved over 60 points for two season and won the FA Cup. Who, out of interest gets more out of these players then Brendan ? We are sitting where I think we should be. In the top 5. We do not have better squads then Chels, Man U, Man C and Liverpool. However, we’ve given each of them a run for their money. I’ll repeat, Brendan is not faultless. He annoys me at times but this argument that when we win it’s the players and when we lose it’s Brendan is getting a bit tiresome. Have your opinion of course but there’s very little by way of solutions being offered in your analysis which is why, I don’t get it. That’s just my opinion. 11 defeats in a season with 20 wins is not a bad return with our squad. Oh, everyone and I mean EVERYONE knows how good Youri is. 4 2
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