KrefelderFox666 Posted 20 May 2021 Posted 20 May 2021 3 minutes ago, st albans fox said: No chance of either (and the huge IF at the beginning!) Agree
ARM1968 Posted 20 May 2021 Posted 20 May 2021 3 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said: Agree So do I in reality. We’ve blown our wad again and missed two golden opportunities.
Nod.E Posted 20 May 2021 Posted 20 May 2021 4 hours ago, Babylon said: Only four of them need to have a good season. Defeatist? Kindly **** off, it’s called being realistic and using 30 years of history to realise what you lot seem to now think is a walk in the park is very difficult and the fact money talks at the end of the day. I'm saying the exact opposite of it being a walk in the park. It's difficult, which is why money doesn't guarantee success. It is defeatist. Recent history, the last two years (consecutive I might add), shows what's possible. Imagine if we avoided an injury crisis.
Grebfromgrebland Posted 20 May 2021 Posted 20 May 2021 I don't think 5th is our upper limit at all. Both seasons the margins have been so fine and we've been hampered by important injuries. I think we're 1 or 2 players short of competing for top 4 next season.
Daggers Posted 20 May 2021 Posted 20 May 2021 2 hours ago, OhYesNdidi said: Vardy was offered a 3 year deal on £120k p/W at arsenal, we offered 4 years at £100k p/W, not nearly the same. If they were going to offer him £200k p/W, then we’d have seen just how loyal he is I’m never going to debate made-up figures. 2 hours ago, Babylon said: The point was, one seasons worth of champions league isn't going to change a players mind if they are the sort who wants to join a giant. Tielemans signed a 4 year deal rather than a 5 as someone costing that much usually would, because he wouldn't want to basically tie himself in for 3 years (when you hit two years left clubs face more of a decision). You know there aren't many players who would turn down a move. Spurs lost players, Arsenal lose players, Kane wants to leave a "Big Six" team to go to another one. The reality is, players know they'll get vastly more money and a more consistent chance of winning something at those bigger clubs. There is no escaping it, and it's part of the club identity now to buy young talent, sell high and reinvest. You realise I’m not trying to win an argument here, right Babs? That’s what the smilie thing was for. 😉
Blarmy Posted 20 May 2021 Posted 20 May 2021 11 hours ago, hackneyfox said: We'd just qualified for the FA Cup Final, it's a young team, perhaps prone to getting overly excited? Personally I thought it was good man management, but I'm guessing of course. It isn’t. Must have confused the hell out of the players and I have no idea what he was thinking. It shouldn’t have mattered that we didn’t succeed the way he wanted us to. **disclaimer - I like BR and don’t want him sacked, I just don’t believe he is beyond criticism because we won the FA Cup.
Corky Posted 20 May 2021 Posted 20 May 2021 We were always going to suffer for a lack of squad depth, it's a natural consequence of the relative lack of resources. Top players aren't going to sit on our bench. Even though our injury issues have eased we're still missing Evans, Barnes and Justin. Been non-stop this year, unfortunately.
TrentFox Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 I think it’s a tough transfer window for BR. Doubly so, due to, (most likely), having blown CL and the money it brings in as well as the allure. Whilst our squad is a long way advanced from Spurs, it is not without considerable problems. And significant ones. RIcky is a shadow of his former self. Will he ever get back? If not, no way can he be a starter next season, if he continues as he is. Will Justin follow the same route? If so, our full-back positions have been decimated. How will Barnes recovery play out? How long before he is back to his best self? Will Evans’ heel injury clear? Age isn’t on his side for clearing nagging injuries like that. Vardy’s decline has been rapid and heart-breaking, in equal measure. That’s a potentially significant set of holes that could easily cover the autumn period and maybe beyond. All that before looking at the gaps in the squad we know about. Would moving to a car-crash Spurs appeal more than staying at a City he feels be may have taken as far as he can? Hopefully not, but it may be a closer call than we’d like to think.
mozartfox Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 6 minutes ago, TrentFox said: I think it’s a tough transfer window for BR. Doubly so, due to, (most likely), having blown CL and the money it brings in as well as the allure. Whilst our squad is a long way advanced from Spurs, it is not without considerable problems. And significant ones. RIcky is a shadow of his former self. Will he ever get back? If not, no way can he be a starter next season, if he continues as he is. Will Justin follow the same route? If so, our full-back positions have been decimated. How will Barnes recovery play out? How long before he is back to his best self? Will Evans’ heel injury clear? Age isn’t on his side for clearing nagging injuries like that. Vardy’s decline has been rapid and heart-breaking, in equal measure. That’s a potentially significant set of holes that could easily cover the autumn period and maybe beyond. All that before looking at the gaps in the squad we know about. Would moving to a car-crash Spurs appeal more than staying at a City he feels be may have taken as far as he can? Hopefully not, but it may be a closer call than we’d like to think. Blimey, I thought I was reading an article written by Nostradamus. I am now thoroughly depressed at thought of all this. I am off to buy a length of rope from the local DIY. 2
Le Renard Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 11 minutes ago, TrentFox said: I think it’s a tough transfer window for BR. Doubly so, due to, (most likely), having blown CL and the money it brings in as well as the allure. Whilst our squad is a long way advanced from Spurs, it is not without considerable problems. And significant ones. RIcky is a shadow of his former self. Will he ever get back? If not, no way can he be a starter next season, if he continues as he is. Will Justin follow the same route? If so, our full-back positions have been decimated. How will Barnes recovery play out? How long before he is back to his best self? Will Evans’ heel injury clear? Age isn’t on his side for clearing nagging injuries like that. Vardy’s decline has been rapid and heart-breaking, in equal measure. That’s a potentially significant set of holes that could easily cover the autumn period and maybe beyond. All that before looking at the gaps in the squad we know about. Would moving to a car-crash Spurs appeal more than staying at a City he feels be may have taken as far as he can? Hopefully not, but it may be a closer call than we’d like to think. You would make eeyore sound happy! 2
Babylon Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 22 hours ago, Nod.E said: I'm saying the exact opposite of it being a walk in the park. It's difficult, which is why money doesn't guarantee success. It is defeatist. Recent history, the last two years (consecutive I might add), shows what's possible. Imagine if we avoided an injury crisis. The two years we’ve failed to get top 4 over teams with shit loads of money you mean?
TrentFox Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 9 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Blimey, I thought I was reading an article written by Nostradamus. I am now thoroughly depressed at thought of all this. I am off to buy a length of rope from the local DIY. Welcome to my world ...... and you are welcome to it !! 😞
teblin Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 5 minutes ago, Babylon said: The two years we’ve failed to get top 4 over teams with shit loads of money you mean? We haven’t failed ..... yet 1
mozartfox Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 3 minutes ago, TrentFox said: Welcome to my world ...... and you are welcome to it !! 😞 You need to move out of Nottingham...... 1
majaco Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 1 hour ago, TrentFox said: I think it’s a tough transfer window for BR. Doubly so, due to, (most likely), having blown CL and the money it brings in as well as the allure. Whilst our squad is a long way advanced from Spurs, it is not without considerable problems. And significant ones. RIcky is a shadow of his former self. Will he ever get back? If not, no way can he be a starter next season, if he continues as he is. Will Justin follow the same route? If so, our full-back positions have been decimated. How will Barnes recovery play out? How long before he is back to his best self? Will Evans’ heel injury clear? Age isn’t on his side for clearing nagging injuries like that. Vardy’s decline has been rapid and heart-breaking, in equal measure. That’s a potentially significant set of holes that could easily cover the autumn period and maybe beyond. All that before looking at the gaps in the squad we know about. Would moving to a car-crash Spurs appeal more than staying at a City he feels be may have taken as far as he can? Hopefully not, but it may be a closer call than we’d like to think. Find out in next season's episode of 'Soap.' 1
trabuch Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 5 minutes ago, majaco said: Find out in next season's episode of 'Soap.' 1
splinterdream Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 I think there's deffo a chance Rodgers will go Spurs, Levy will settle on selling Kane for £120m, he'll off Rodgers a £200m kitty and all of a sudden the job will seem more appealing.
Popular Post volpeazzurro Posted 21 May 2021 Popular Post Posted 21 May 2021 1 hour ago, TrentFox said: I think it’s a tough transfer window for BR. Doubly so, due to, (most likely), having blown CL and the money it brings in as well as the allure. Whilst our squad is a long way advanced from Spurs, it is not without considerable problems. And significant ones. RIcky is a shadow of his former self. Will he ever get back? If not, no way can he be a starter next season, if he continues as he is. Will Justin follow the same route? If so, our full-back positions have been decimated. How will Barnes recovery play out? How long before he is back to his best self? Will Evans’ heel injury clear? Age isn’t on his side for clearing nagging injuries like that. Vardy’s decline has been rapid and heart-breaking, in equal measure. That’s a potentially significant set of holes that could easily cover the autumn period and maybe beyond. All that before looking at the gaps in the squad we know about. Would moving to a car-crash Spurs appeal more than staying at a City he feels be may have taken as far as he can? Hopefully not, but it may be a closer call than we’d like to think. If Rodgers goes, he goes and like all our recent managers under the current owners, who have ALL played their part, he is replaceable (albeit I personally don't see an obvious candidate to replace him but our owners have always been ahead of the game). The way our owners and club conducts business is admired by many, particularly supporters of other clubs, both in effectiveness and ethically. These things at the club are at the absolute core of our success for me and it has transended the abilities of any of our managers, Rodgers included. Rodgers is a clever man and make no mistake, he recognised this before he came. We, in his then situation, were the absolute best he could hope for to get back onto the serious management ladder and he leapt for an opportunity too good to miss. We as a club should not underestimate ourselves and consider ourselves overly fortunate to get Rodgers as I believe that at that time, he needed us more than we needed him because prior to Celtic, lest we forget, he was fairly unemployable in Premiership club terms and deemed at that time as a bit of a failure. Celtic is a huge and important club but, without any Rangers about, Rodgers' chances of failure were limited. You could argue that Gerard at Rangers inherited a more difficult task and his achievements thus far are perhaps equivalent to that of Rodgers but in a different way. Yes, we can point to the management failure of Lenon perhaps but, had he also been left a bit of a pup, would Rodgers have been able to fend off the challenges of Gerard? Did Rodgers forsee that coming and recognise a great opportunity to abandon ship before his newly acquired reputation got tarnished? Was he therefore really that good at Celtic? Rodgers success here has not been merely been due to his prowess as a man manager or coach but also because of the quiet and incredibly effective way our club continues to conduct business. He also inherited a squad with huge latent talent to which he has only really added Perez and Praet. That is not to say that I don't recognise the incredibly good work he's put into our players because he undoubtedly has and should rightly be applauded. Neither though is he this elite media driven demi-god type figure that is responsible for all good fortune because that has been a very joint effort involving some very talented players combined with the clubs owners and structure. Whether Rodgers could replicate such success at Tottenham or Arsenal with their current methods of working is debatable. However, if he did leave, the heart and brains of our club would remain in tact and we would be a very attractive proposition for any potential next incumbent as they would be well aware of the quality of our recruitment ability and owner support. At this moment in time I believe we remain the best option for Rodgers and he's very lucky to have us, more so than the other way round. As a club we're in a very good shape and shouldn't ever undersell ourselves. 5
Deeg67 Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 23 hours ago, ARM1968 said: IF - and it’s a huge if, we managed to scrape CL at Chelsea’s expense and they also lose the CL final, I can see Roman giving Tuchel the bullet and coming in for BR. Absolutely zero chance.
An Sionnach Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 As long as we remain around the top six Rodgers has a job for the foreseeable future. Lose three or four in a row with Chelsea,Arsenal, Tottenham and you are looking at the sack. Over ambitious managers usually end up as pundits on Sky Sports. There is still plenty more he can do at this club . He inherited most of this team but he has the chance to turn this team into one of his own creation and that is an attractive proposition.
David Hankey Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 3 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: As long as we remain around the top six Rodgers has a job for the foreseeable future. Lose three or four in a row with Chelsea,Arsenal, Tottenham and you are looking at the sack. Over ambitious managers usually end up as pundits on Sky Sports. There is still plenty more he can do at this club . He inherited most of this team but he has the chance to turn this team into one of his own creation and that is an attractive proposition. Pardon?!!
splinterdream Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 7 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: As long as we remain around the top six Rodgers has a job for the foreseeable future. Lose three or four in a row with Chelsea,Arsenal, Tottenham and you are looking at the sack. Over ambitious managers usually end up as pundits on Sky Sports. There is still plenty more he can do at this club . He inherited most of this team but he has the chance to turn this team into one of his own creation and that is an attractive proposition. On the flipside Rodgers has high stock at present, if tielemens is stalling on signing, transfer budget not great, maddison stalling and wants away, stuck with perez, others players may want away the job doesn't seem as appealing when spurs offering wage increase and £200m transfer budget and let's face it, spurs stock can't really get any lower can it? 1
Itsthejoeker Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 Why would he leave us after winning an FA Cup and challenging the top four for two consecutive seasons to join a team that’s asset stripping and preparing for Arsenal-like mediocrity. you lot don’t have confuse me
st albans fox Posted 21 May 2021 Posted 21 May 2021 Makes no sense to risk his reputation at Spurs or arsenal his standing will get away with us dropping out of top 4 again because of the fa cup win (reasonable) he is in line for the Man City, chelsea or yanited jobs at some point go to Spurs/arsenal and be screwed over by the owners and he won’t get that chance because he won’t be trusted BUT remember that brendan loves himself (he has supreme confidence in his techniques) and simply couldn’t accept that he wouldn’t succeed wherever he went You could imagine levy saying to kane - ‘if I get Rodgers in here will you give us another year’?
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