Brendan Rodgers

[CrispinLA in Texas]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

Ok, but you get the difference between "he's burnt out at the club and isn't having any good effect" and "he wants to get sacked" right?

So what's the possible outcome you see happening Doc?

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

So what's the possible outcome you see happening Doc?

I think we'll end up in and around the relegation battle at the world cup break and we will part ways, but I also think you don't get that my objection is with:

 

"Does anyone think he wants to be sacked?"

 

Whether I think he'll get sacked is very different from whether I think he wants to get sacked...

[phoneticerror]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

I think we'll end up in and around the relegation battle at the world cup break and we will part ways, but I also think you don't get that my objection is with:

 

"Does anyone think he wants to be sacked?"

 

Whether I think he'll get sacked is very different from whether I think he wants to get sacked...

Gone by Christmas 

[ARM1968]

14 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

His race is run here for sure, our underlying stats are on a heavy decline and without change we'll end up circling the drain, but to suggest he wants to be sacked when that'll basically close off the top jobs to him is a bit ridiculous 

Yeah I wasn’t suggesting that. I think he might be in a battle of wills with the owners, but that never ends well. He has a lot of pride and I imagine that pride will drive him to keep trying, but as you say, the stats don’t lie and we are starting to circle the drain. No reason we should with the players we have. 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

I think we'll end up in and around the relegation battle at the world cup break and we will part ways, but I also think you don't get that my objection is with:

 

"Does anyone think he wants to be sacked?"

 

Whether I think he'll get sacked is very different from whether I think he wants to get sacked...

I kind think he would want to go now while Leicester are still in a reasonable position then going under relegation circumstances which might effect his future opportunities 

[coolhandfox]

21 minutes ago, phoneticerror said:

Gone by Christmas 

15 PL games to go until that point.

 

We would have to have a terrible run of form for that to happen.

 

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

Why would he want to be sacked? You forget he absolutely ruined his reputation in England as a top 6 manager with Liverpool, went to Celtic and then coming here was his shot at getting back into discussion for those roles with the obvious intent of using us as a stepping stone back into a big 6 role. If he gets sacked here that's it for him on that front, the reputational damage will limit him to a tier below what his ambition is, to being at best a West Ham or Everton calibre manager. 

The spin he’s put on LCFC, the players, the lack of funds/backing, along with the media reporters seemingly eating out of the palm of his hand means his narration of his sacking will be taken as gospel.
 

Nobody dare question his comments- questioning why the players who ‘weren’t good enough’ v Forest had managed to finish 5th and win the FA Cup 9 months before. Absolutely no questioning of his ‘fatigue’ comments at the weekend. Any interview he comes out with has more holes in it than Swiss cheese, but for whatever reason he’s never probed. 

 

Throw in our ‘reputation’ after sacking Ranieri too, and we the fans and Top as owner are the devils in disguise again. Plus his handsome payout will go a long way to alleviate any ‘pain’ he may feel. The terms thrown around too much, but he’s a complete narcissist 🤣

 

Whatever happens, the crap he’s spun means he comes out of our job looking like the victim rather than the culprit. He cannot lose. 

Edited 9 August 2022 by The Year Of The Fox

[phoneticerror]

10 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

15 PL games to go until that point.

 

We would have to have a terrible run of form for that to happen.

 

 

Even when he goes, we don’t have anybody decent lined up. The season is a train wreck. Just hope we don’t lose too many of our better players on the journey.

 

Just need to ride it out.

Edited 9 August 2022 by phoneticerror

[Jon Bez]

1 hour ago, phoneticerror said:

Even when he goes, we don’t have anybody decent lined up. The season is a train wreck. Just hope we don’t lose too many of our better players on the journey.

 

Just need to ride it out.

A train wreck already? After one game...

[Tielemans63]

3 minutes ago, Jon Bez said:

A train wreck already? After one game...

****ing hell. Peak FT 

 

[Ric Flair]

6 hours ago, The Doctor said:

I think we're closer than a lot of people might admit.

 

Because I'm a nerd for this stuff, I've extracted expected goals, expected goals against and expected points from understat for his 125 league games and plotted them in 10 game rolling averages and it doesn't make hugely pretty reading. Basically, if the blue line is above the red one, we're getting more than performances warrant (except for goals conceded where the reverse is true, conceding less than would be expected) and vice versa 

 

So, let's look at goals first:

 

 

We've almost always run hot in front of goal, with one spell during "project Restart" where we were under finishing. The problem I'd that trend. We've had peaks (you can see where that Southampton game comes into the equation) but generally we hit about 1.5 xG per game under Rodgers until March this year where we plummeted to around 1 xG per game, we're creating less and less and that's been trending gradually across his reign

 

Goals against:

 

 

Defence started really trending out at the FA cup game and the start of the 2021/22 season. Fofanas return has started to pull it back down (that sharp decline back from averaging 2 xGC per game to 1.5 lines up with him being back), but across his reign it's trending upwards 

 

 

Finally points:

 Project Restart aside, where we were getting results worse than typical of our performances, we've tended to overachieve under Rodgers. Great? But again, look at the expected points trend. Gradually slipping further and further from again about the Cup final win down to around 1 point per game expected now. Our underlying stats have gotten to relegation battle standard and relying on us to just continuing to run hot and defy them is not a wise bet.

Brilliant work

[gurru991]

2 hours ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

I kind think he would want to go now while Leicester are still in a reasonable position then going under relegation circumstances which might effect his future opportunities 

I agree, Brendan won't want a firing from a relegation candidate on his resume.

[Gamble92]

17 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

I agree, Brendan won't want a firing from a relegation candidate on his resume.

Already has one from Liverpool 

[gurru991]

11 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Already has one from Liverpool 

Liverpool were tenth when BR got fired 

[Deeg67]

"After one game" and pretty much the entire second half of last season.  If he could just stick to playing clubs that are already relegated Brendo would put up big numbers.

[Dave Fishwick]

8 hours ago, The Doctor said:

I think we're closer than a lot of people might admit.

 

Because I'm a nerd for this stuff, I've extracted expected goals, expected goals against and expected points from understat for his 125 league games and plotted them in 10 game rolling averages and it doesn't make hugely pretty reading. Basically, if the blue line is above the red one, we're getting more than performances warrant (except for goals conceded where the reverse is true, conceding less than would be expected) and vice versa 

 

So, let's look at goals first:

 

 

We've almost always run hot in front of goal, with one spell during "project Restart" where we were under finishing. The problem I'd that trend. We've had peaks (you can see where that Southampton game comes into the equation) but generally we hit about 1.5 xG per game under Rodgers until March this year where we plummeted to around 1 xG per game, we're creating less and less and that's been trending gradually across his reign

 

Goals against:

 

 

Defence started really trending out at the FA cup game and the start of the 2021/22 season. Fofanas return has started to pull it back down (that sharp decline back from averaging 2 xGC per game to 1.5 lines up with him being back), but across his reign it's trending upwards 

 

 

Finally points:

 Project Restart aside, where we were getting results worse than typical of our performances, we've tended to overachieve under Rodgers. Great? But again, look at the expected points trend. Gradually slipping further and further from again about the Cup final win down to around 1 point per game expected now. Our underlying stats have gotten to relegation battle standard and relying on us to just continuing to run hot and defy them is not a wise bet.

great post

[Dan]

9 hours ago, The Doctor said:

I think we're closer than a lot of people might admit.

 

Because I'm a nerd for this stuff, I've extracted expected goals, expected goals against and expected points from understat for his 125 league games and plotted them in 10 game rolling averages and it doesn't make hugely pretty reading. Basically, if the blue line is above the red one, we're getting more than performances warrant (except for goals conceded where the reverse is true, conceding less than would be expected) and vice versa 

 

So, let's look at goals first:

 

 

We've almost always run hot in front of goal, with one spell during "project Restart" where we were under finishing. The problem I'd that trend. We've had peaks (you can see where that Southampton game comes into the equation) but generally we hit about 1.5 xG per game under Rodgers until March this year where we plummeted to around 1 xG per game, we're creating less and less and that's been trending gradually across his reign

 

Goals against:

 

 

Defence started really trending out at the FA cup game and the start of the 2021/22 season. Fofanas return has started to pull it back down (that sharp decline back from averaging 2 xGC per game to 1.5 lines up with him being back), but across his reign it's trending upwards 

 

 

Finally points:

 Project Restart aside, where we were getting results worse than typical of our performances, we've tended to overachieve under Rodgers. Great? But again, look at the expected points trend. Gradually slipping further and further from again about the Cup final win down to around 1 point per game expected now. Our underlying stats have gotten to relegation battle standard and relying on us to just continuing to run hot and defy them is not a wise bet.

Genuinely cannot see how anybody can read that and think he should stay. We are going backwards and are being bailed out by our individual quality, of which will diminish the more we stutter in our recruitment.

 

The trend is there for all to see. Not the be all and end all but paints a quite good picture and it represents quite close to what I feel I've seen.

[Jon Bez]

3 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

****ing hell. Peak FT 

 

People are strange, very strange. 

[Matt]

6 hours ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Does anyone think he wants to be sacked?

 

His ego surly must be dented after he hasn't receive any transfer funds, and his so called rebuild hasn't got off the ground and he has to look at the faces of the same players he wanted out.

I don’t think he wants to be sacked.

 

I do however think he desperately wants out though.

 

He’s not going to leave/resign and give up compensation he’s entitled too (and rightly or wrongly why should he?)

 

His ego and reputation definitely wouldn’t want to be sacked, which where I suggested the other day both him and the club have a parting of ways coming to a mutual agreement. As someone quite rightly said to me the other day “mutual agreement” usually means sacked, but our situation mutual agreement would be exactly that, mutual.

 

Brendan get’s out, some reputation still intact, the club get rid of him for less than we would having to sack him, everyone’s a winner.

[The Doctor]

3 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Genuinely cannot see how anybody can read that and think he should stay. We are going backwards and are being bailed out by our individual quality, of which will diminish the more we stutter in our recruitment.

 

The trend is there for all to see. Not the be all and end all but paints a quite good picture and it represents quite close to what I feel I've seen.

Individual quality is the important thing. No club outdid their xG by more than we did in the prem last season (12.5 goals above expected) and only Leverkusen (13.7), Lazio (17.7) and Rennes (13.8) did by more than us in the big 5 European leagues. Near enough all of that over performance was from Vardy (5 goals above his xG) and Maddison (5.5 goals above his xG). Now, the problem is that Vardy is out of contract in 12 months and is if we're honest, not many seasons from retirement, and Maddison is out of contract in 24 months. We have no obvious replacement for Maddison and Vardy he's got two good goalscorers, Iheanacho who he doesn't trust, and Daka who needs a strike partner alongside him. Long term succession for Vardy, do we trust him to change his system to suit the players he's got and stop freezing out good players that he doesn't seem to like? Truthfully, feels like the answer is no. This next 12 months could be make or break as to whether we establish ourselves as perennial European challengers or slide back to constant relegation battles the way Southampton did in the mid part of the 2010s

[Claudio Fannieri]

If Fofana does go I think this will be a game changer for two reasons - 

 

1) if sold I am really not sure Brendan will stick around, losing one of if not our best player may well be the icing on the cake and him feel that it’s the best time for him to leave as the club can no longer match his ambitions etc etc 

 

2) we will have cash and this will give the club the opportunity and scope to sack or mutual agreement to leave if they deem that is the best way forward. 
 

Either way I think the decision to sell Wes or not will have significant influence on Rodgers future with us 

[gerblod]

21 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Because you’re asking, I’m assuming not. 
 

Irrespective of that though, Rodgers’ hey day here is well and truly in the past. You can’t hang on to a manager because he was good for us once upon a time. 

There's been an assumption that Top is a Vichai clone - that the transition was going to be seamless - in spite of the sudden and traumatic death of Vichai. The Leicester project was his 'baby' and he showed ruthless decisiveness when it was obvious Ranieri, in particular, had lost his way. I'm not sure that Top is hewn from the same stuff as his father. 

There were doubters as to Rodger's appointment from the start, but most believed he was a potential achiever. I think he's wasted his opportunity to shine here, although the Cup will be always attributed to his influence - rightly or wrongly. 

He's clearly no game tactician and, in his strategy for the club, unless he puts together a string of positive results, he'll leave City in a mess - if the 'board' (whatever practically that is) tell him to go. Recruitment in his time has been poor and what has been achieved has been down to players largely recruited prior to his coming.

The portents have been clearly there, yet lost in the belief that, with the players we've had, our fortunes might be made in getting CL qualification. It's largely been nearly this or that. If he does soon go, then I hope we get a real achiever to take his place - someone with a vision and the attributes to turn the vision into reality.   

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

4 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

If Fofana does go I think this will be a game changer for two reasons - 

 

1) if sold I am really not sure Brendan will stick around, losing one of if not our best player may well be the icing on the cake and him feel that it’s the best time for him to leave as the club can no longer match his ambitions etc etc 

 

2) we will have cash and this will give the club the opportunity and scope to sack or mutual agreement to leave if they deem that is the best way forward. 
 

Either way I think the decision to sell Wes or not will have significant influence on Rodgers future with us 

Sadly Brendan's ambitions exceed his talent as we are seeing in his inability to manage a highly talented squad now. 

Edited 10 August 2022 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[sylofox]

Finally some good news this summer, so full of doom a d gloom.

 

Taxi For RODGERS

[volpeazzurro]

39 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

If Fofana does go I think this will be a game changer for two reasons - 

 

1) if sold I am really not sure Brendan will stick around, losing one of if not our best player may well be the icing on the cake and him feel that it’s the best time for him to leave as the club can no longer match his ambitions etc etc 

 

2) we will have cash and this will give the club the opportunity and scope to sack or mutual agreement to leave if they deem that is the best way forward. 
 

Either way I think the decision to sell Wes or not will have significant influence on Rodgers future with us 

I still hope that he's not sold but if he has to be that would be a great consolation. Any money left over could then assist a new manager. The worst case scenario for me would be that Fofana is sold and Rodgers gets a say in reinvesting the money. A doomsday scenario.