Duquesne Whistle Posted 27 May 2021 Posted 27 May 2021 7 minutes ago, lcfc sheff said: I wasn’t referring to your comment. Which one were you referring to? Just wondering as I didn't see any negative posts. Maybe I missed it.
Guest Col city fan Posted 3 June 2021 Posted 3 June 2021 Abraham surely has to leave Chelsea if he wants to kick start his career? Sure, he could sit there and have his salary paid every week but Tuchel has been absolutely ruthless with him (makes me wonder if Abraham might have questioned the sacking of Lampard and the appointment of Tuchel?) Wasnt he part of previous England squads? And now of course he’s nowhere near... Leicester could benefit from Abraham I think. There’s a player in there for sure and he’s aerially better than anything we have.
Micky Posted 3 June 2021 Posted 3 June 2021 Tuchel us leaving him out for a reason. He's a poor premier league striker. 1
Dusty Posted 3 June 2021 Posted 3 June 2021 19 minutes ago, Micky said: Tuchel us leaving him out for a reason. He's a poor premier league striker. I don’t think that’s true tbf, I think he’ll go to somewhere like villa and be a very good player. Would be a useful player for us too but don’t think we can afford him.
Guest Col city fan Posted 3 June 2021 Posted 3 June 2021 24 minutes ago, Micky said: Tuchel us leaving him out for a reason. He's a poor premier league striker. Don’t agree Micky tbf Werner is a better player for the style of play Tuchel employs. Personally I think Abraham is a better finisher. Abraham will go somewhere and score goals imo. As the poster above says though, I assume he’s earning a flippin wedge
rachhere Posted 3 June 2021 Posted 3 June 2021 I like Tammy and would be more than happy if he were to come here. It feels like he's been around for ages, but he's still only 23 years old, so there's still plenty of time for him to develop. Really tall which is something we are lacking in terms of forwards, but at the same time he's far more than just a target man. 4
UniFox21 Posted 3 June 2021 Posted 3 June 2021 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: Abraham surely has to leave Chelsea if he wants to kick start his career? Sure, he could sit there and have his salary paid every week but Tuchel has been absolutely ruthless with him (makes me wonder if Abraham might have questioned the sacking of Lampard and the appointment of Tuchel?) Wasnt he part of previous England squads? And now of course he’s nowhere near... Leicester could benefit from Abraham I think. There’s a player in there for sure and he’s aerially better than anything we have. Fully agree with you, he needs to leave Chelsea to get his career moving again. He went from starting 11 regular to barely making the bench, there's a goalscorer in there too as he's competent on the ball. Issue is being at Chelsea limits his leaving options due to how much they'll want for him.
An Sionnach Posted 3 June 2021 Posted 3 June 2021 45 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: Fully agree with you, he needs to leave Chelsea to get his career moving again. He went from starting 11 regular to barely making the bench, there's a goalscorer in there too as he's competent on the ball. Issue is being at Chelsea limits his leaving options due to how much they'll want for him. Chelsea would probably loan him out , which would give him game time. However if he is successful he would either go back into their squad or his transfer value would skyrocket. I think Rodgers wants a permanent signing myself.
Nicolo Barella Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 Not only would he (imo) be a poor signing, the whole conversation is moot as there's no way we will pay what Chelsea want for him. 3
FoxyJim1987 Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 22 hours ago, Micky said: Tuchel us leaving him out for a reason. He's a poor premier league striker. This is a ludicrous comment. Based on what? He consistently scored when a regular last season, more than 53 million Timo Werner has managed to do. He scored a lot of goals two seasons running in the championship. Given a regular place in a side he will score a lot of goals. For about 25m he would be a snip. Young, athletic, quick and proven scorer.
crisp packet Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 1 hour ago, FoxyJim1987 said: This is a ludicrous comment. Based on what? He consistently scored when a regular last season, more than 53 million Timo Werner has managed to do. He scored a lot of goals two seasons running in the championship. Given a regular place in a side he will score a lot of goals. For about 25m he would be a snip. Young, athletic, quick and proven scorer. Thing is for those reasons above he will cost a lot more than the 25m. And for that am out .
FoxyJim1987 Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 21 minutes ago, crisp packet said: Thing is for those reasons above he will cost a lot more than the 25m. And for that am out . Who knows. Maybe they will loan him for a season. Then again, we have been direct rivals to them for 2 seasons now for top 4, so would they really help us out by loaning him here? Maybe 25m was wishful thinking but I think 30 to 40m even for a 23 year old English striker who scored 15 prem goals the season before last is about the going rate. We might get Edouard for less but he might be shite having only played on the Highland league. I can see Villa going for Tammy having had him before, and him and Watkins up top would be very promising for them. 1
Deeg67 Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 3 hours ago, Nicolo Barella said: Not only would he (imo) be a poor signing, the whole conversation is moot as there's no way we will pay what Chelsea want for him. There's no way anyone will pay what Chelsea want for him, if reports of what Chelsea want for him are accurate. If they want him off the books they'll sell for what they can get. It's a matter of fit. Werner is stylistically a perfect match for the style Tuchel likes to use - it just so happens that his finishing deserted him this season (if he gets it back, look out). Abraham doesn't fit in Tuchel's system. He'll go somewhere and do very well I suspect, and if you could get him for 26-28 million I think it'd be a good gamble. If they won't budge off 40 or some ridiculous number, you move on.
Bergen fox Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 40 mill is crazy money for him. Smells like a West Ham signing. 1
An Sionnach Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 11 minutes ago, Kent-Fox said: 40 mill is crazy money for him. Smells like a West Ham signing. Proven goalscorer and International recognition of course its not.Timo Werner cost a lot more. You can't expect to get 60 million for Maddison and then pick up a player like Abraham cheap. We have to pay the going price these days. 1
Koke Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 (edited) Not good enough. Not better than Iheanacho. Lampard played s very attacking style and created lots of chances so any half decent PL striker would get into double figures, which Abraham did. He may be good enough for mid table teams like Villa or Palace but not good enough for a top 6 team. Edited 4 June 2021 by Koke 2
Bergen fox Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 34 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Proven goalscorer and International recognition of course its not.Timo Werner cost a lot more. You can't expect to get 60 million for Maddison and then pick up a player like Abraham cheap. We have to pay the going price these days. Not a better option then Iheanacho so yeah 40 mill is to much and his wages would be silly. I’ve never said Maddison is worth 60mill. More like 30 mill The difference is Chelsea don’t want Abraham
An Sionnach Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 20 minutes ago, Kent-Fox said: Not a better option then Iheanacho so yeah 40 mill is to much and his wages would be silly. I’ve never said Maddison is worth 60mill. More like 30 mill The difference is Chelsea don’t want Abraham As we are almost certainly getting Edouard speculating about Abraham seems pretty pointless to me. I actually rate Abraham but if he wants to fire up is career he should cross the channel. However like a lot of modern strikers he is not good enough in the air. At 6-3 he should be a real threat. 1
Gerard Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, An Sionnach said: Proven goalscorer and International recognition of course its not.Timo Werner cost a lot more. You can't expect to get 60 million for Maddison and then pick up a player like Abraham cheap. We have to pay the going price these days. You think £40m for a player who can't get in the Chelsea bench or England squad is value. Just glad you're only on here and not making these decisions for the club. Abraham is an average PL striker. He's not particularly, skilful, quick or good in the air but he is a decent finisher, I don't overly rate Iheanacho but he's at the very least Abraham's level. Edouard has a far higher ceiling. Edited 4 June 2021 by Gerard 1
BenTheFox Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 I'm really not convinced by him. For sure he's a premier league quality striker but nothing more than that for me. Every time I watch he just seems a bit green and easy to defend against.
An Sionnach Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gerard said: You think £40m for a player who can't get in the Chelsea bench or England squad is value. Just glad you're only on here and not making these decisions for the club. Abraham is an average PL striker. He's not particularly, skilful, quick or good in the air but he is a decent finisher, I don't overly rate Iheanacho but he's at the very least Abraham's level. Edouard has a far higher ceiling. I agree Iheanacho is about the same level , similar age , international recognition. How much would you think he is worth? About 25 million , we payed that for him. We are Leicester City , a major club , and there is no way Chelsea give us a bargain deal on Abraham . We didn't give them one with Chilwell. There are too many optimists on here that think we pick up players cheap and sell our own at very high prices. I remind people we payed 30 million for both Perez and Fofana. Edouard is much cheaper , but more of a risk .I think he can step up , Iheanacho has, so hopefully we can get him to come. Edited 4 June 2021 by An Sionnach
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 I personally think a season-long loan deal for Abraham would be a good move for all parties. For Abraham, he’d surely have a point to prove For City, if he turns out to not be very good after all, we give him back and aren’t tied into a lengthy contract For Chelsea it gives them a chance to re-assess the player who is still only 23
GlennyFox55 Posted 4 June 2021 Posted 4 June 2021 4 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I personally think a season-long loan deal for Abraham would be a good move for all parties. For Abraham, he’d surely have a point to prove For City, if he turns out to not be very good after all, we give him back and aren’t tied into a lengthy contract For Chelsea it gives them a chance to re-assess the player who is still only 23 I feel that we are unlikely to get loans off the rich 6 while we’re challenging for the European spots. 3
sacreblueits442 Posted 5 June 2021 Posted 5 June 2021 10 hours ago, Col city fan said: I personally think a season-long loan deal for Abraham would be a good move for all parties. For Abraham, he’d surely have a point to prove For City, if he turns out to not be very good after all, we give him back and aren’t tied into a lengthy contract For Chelsea it gives them a chance to re-assess the player who is still only 23 ....would we not be developing another club's player, and paying for the pleasure of doing so!!! At the end of the loan, and he has proven to be a success, then his fee would be circa £50m, which we would not be looking to invest in any one player, and Chelsea uses ourselves to showcase an asset. Should however, the deal be a fixed amount say £30m and less any payment made to Chelsea in that loan period, then we could genuinely contemplate such a deal. Personally I have never rated him, he has always needed far too many chances to score, and I have little faith he has the right mentality for our team.
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